Okay, I remember this topic in bits and pieces, and I can't be bothered quoting you all... plus it would make my post look twice as long, which isn't pretty.
At some point it was mentioned that you can't become a vegetarian whilst living with your parents. This sounds to me like you have a very oppressive regime in your household. Surely when you are shopping with them you could pick up some preffered meat substitutes... or if you don't shop with them just do it yourself. Tell them you don't wan't to eat meat, explain why, and move on. Unless you are completely lazy and just let your parents do EVERYTHING for you. Someone also said that vegetarians should go out and pick their own vegetables... I can do that, I've done that. But it misses the point of why you were asked if you could slaughter your own food. (Which I've witnessed, and could not do, by the way). It takes another kind of mental strength to take away another life. As for the general slaughter being painless, you couldn't be more wrong. Cows are herded happlessly and helplessly to the slaughter house. A bolt is swiftly shot into their head before they're strung up and bled etc. You try having a bolt shot in your head. In a recent investigation a number of American slaughterhouses were discovered to have LIVE cows strung up: the bolt didn't kill them... I can't remember the exact details, but if you're desperate I'm sure I could root out the article. The difference between animals and plants is that animals have CONSCIOUSNESS.. a brain. Humans, also having a consciousness, can sympathize with other animals. Anyways, I won't go further down that road. :
Okay, that was a bad analogy... but look at it this way, a lot of you eat meat, right? If YOU knew plant matter contains all the same nutritional values as meat, would you stop eating meat? If the answer was yes, you'd better stop now. Anyways I'm not really putting myself accross clearly here. :
Well, I'll shut up now. I've found this topic very interesting. I've also seen some stupid, arrogant, ignorant, selfish, hypocritical, commendable, original, clever and downright weird views from both "sides" of the debate. It's a pity some people have taken it so personally. God I sound like a moron don't I? One more pointless observation, totally unrelated, and I mean no offence by this, but: :
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I was basically saying that before veggies have a go at meateaters and vice versa to take into consideration that everything we eat, smoke, drink etc will have come from a living thing. And it is not absurd to believe that all living things have feelings...and thus, whatever we eat, drink, smoke etc we will be having something killed. |
Everything? Even water? And salt?
Then again, they are the only two consunables I can think of that haven't come from a living thing. But I really don't think plants have any mental abilities. For one thing they have no brain, no ganglia and no nervous system. Their ability to sense stimuli such as light and water and their ability to react by growing towards them are achieved chamically rather than electrically, and any plant that does move itself (venus flytraps, for instance) do so by unavoidable mechanism, not decision. But then again, it's entirely possible that their exists a soul that can exist despite the limits of the physical world. I just don't believe it. And rocks being capable of thought is just silly. |
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*mmm... the mouth-watering tempation... something smells good* :p *goes off to eat veggie-risotto, which she just cooked for herself* |
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Vitamin A; Orange and yellow vegetables and fruits; dark-green leafy vegetables; whole milk, cream, egg yolks and butter; and animal livers, fish liver oils, garlic, and alfalfa. Vitamin B (complex at least); meats, fish, poultry, brewer's yeast, eggs, beans and peas, dark-green leafy vegetables, bread, whole-grain cereals, and dairy product. Vitamin C;Citrus fruits, berries, rose hips, capsicum, strawberries, broccoli, rockmelons, tomatoes, and leafy greens. Vitamin D; Fatty fish such as herring, salmon, and tuna, dairy products, eggs, summer sun, and breakfast cereals. Vitamin E; I know that Cold pressed vegetable oils, nuts, dark-green leafy vegetables, organic meats, seafood, eggs, and avocados have it. Vitamin K; Spinach, asparagus, cabbage, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, turnip greens, or other dark leafy vegetables, beef, liver; green tea; cheese, egg yolks, and oats. :
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I am open minded. Very open minded, actually. And I love trying new things! Also new foods. I just don't want to eat meat any more, so I wont be trying new meat foods. Geez, what a lost... I know many sources, where you can get vitamin B from. I've done my studying. :
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So you were kidding about wanting a barbie doll body, because you've already got one...? Or there was the sarcasm and you don't have one..? :
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I know. and it does not prove that you know more than me because you don't know anyone's IQ status to say that. I never said it proved I knew more than you. I don't claim to, and I'm sure you know more than me. I was pointing out that in my twisted opinion it sounded like you were trying to prove you knew a heck of a lot about nutrition, but in doing so sounded like you knew no more than me, who knows very little about nutrition. Or something like that. It was not designed to cause offence. I'm very sorry for any caused, and take back all comments. Please forgive me. Peace out? :) |
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I am a vegetarian and I agree with every radical vegetarian idea out there. I don't drink milk, either. Milk is wack! McDonald's is wack! Ahhh! Too many carnivores! All our hunger problems would be solved if we stopped raising animals. Vegetables are infinetely more effiecient to produce. And what happens when this lust for flesh (not to criticize lust, I'm just talking about meat) goes too far? What happens when we're next? When population outstrips food production? Has anyone seen Soylent Green?
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And yes I have seen that movie. It's a classic. *mutters something about thinking this topic had died...* |
Yes, this topic has died. Cause of death: the inability for meat-eaters to justify their diet.
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**** it all. Somwe cow will die today to feed me tomorrow and I won't even blink an eye. The ciRRRcle of LIIIIFE!
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I have a question, is their only one vegetarian type? Like is their a group of vegetarians who eat fruits, vegetables, and dairy products? Do you eat dairy products Sydney? are you the hard core vegetarian who doesn't eat meat or dairy products or poultry?
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Those that don't eat any animal products are just refered to as 'vegans' if I remember right....
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There are all different kind of vegetarians, although some don't really deserve the title "vegetarian". I'm a vege who eats everything but meat. Therefore, chicken, fish, cow, pig, etc are all forbidden in my diet.
I know some people who say they're a vegetarian "sometimes"... :rolleyes: |
is eating meat really wrong though, again it comes down to what u value.... dont we get some benefits from being on the top of the food chain, do u believe in social darwinism to a different extent, that we have the right because we are able to...(ill explain myself if neccassary) what if we evolved quicker and the other animals are just left and are the weak, does this justify us eating them? what if they are here for our own benefits to provide for us this could be an arguable point. but surely if everyone ate smaller amounts of meat just a small portion a day things would be better and there would be very little problems... meat would be in a less of a demand and there would be no need for mass torturing of animals such as pigs who are born into a nightmare then so to say chopped down. then u could feed on the animals like they feed on each other, to survive, eat because u have to and not take advantage into mass producing this meat. I dont agree with the mass production of meat in america today it is quite terrible..........i think hunting is better because atleast the animal lived a short but free life and dies quick instead of its whole life being a painful one..to many people eat to much meat this is one of the biggest problems i myself prefer vegetables.............. but the older generation of people do tend to eat more meat because thats all they had i know for a fact that some of the older population thats all they eat is meat because thats what they were told to eat, so some of this is tradition and really not a careless act.....some of the points might be wrong but it depends on what u think is right and how u view things..........do u think the animals are dying for a reason or just outa of a selfishness of man? do u think this large amount of eating of animals is suppose to happen? meat is sometimes cheaper to get too so some people eat meat because thats what they can afford, not everyone can pay top dollar to buy some of these expensive fruits and vegetables......... there are many arguments for it but i think just limiting how much meat u eat would solve alot but u cant stop someone who wants to be careless and eat many tons of meat and people need to support more animal rights if they think this is wrong..... much of this is sadly hard to do now do to the influence of money.............i am all for people who only eat vegetables and fruit, etc. they are atleast respecting the animals and the earth in a positive way........... note: i am sorry for any spelling errors and will be glad to go into more depth of what i mean....................
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Well do you consume food produced by animals? Like eggs, milk ect ect?. |
Free-range eggs and milk, yes.
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Some people don't understand that fish is meat. Like if you say you're vegetarian and then they ask you 'do you eat fish?'. Or when people are talking about food they class fish seperately to meat.
How stupid can you get? Is it so hard to understand that fish are animals? According to some quiz 50-something percent of men don't think clams are living things. Stupid, or what... |
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And if you eat meat, and plants, you will be healthier then if you only eat one of them. There is nothing whrong with eating meat just becuas you dont belive in it. And even if it is cuas where selfish, then that is the human way. We are just animals like other critters. Cows wont go extinct just becuas w eat them, if that is what you worrie about. |