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Danny 04-09-2002 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by paramiteabe
You know there is evidence of the existance of God if you think about it for a while. The evidence is all around you. It is nature it's self. It is the Universe and everything within it, that is God. God is not man nor a woman sitting in the clouds shooting lightening bolts down to punish us. God is the very essance of the Universe. In other words the nature of the Universe. That is why I believe God is eternal and that he never had a beginning nor will have an end. He just is. That view of God makes more sense to me than an old man sitting in the clouds. So if he is like I described him, then that means he is like everything, which means that he would be like us in his image. We as the humen race don't know much about our universe and how everything works. We only know our theories which are sometimes correct. But there are still questions remaining and that is "why?"
You started this paragraph with the sentence "You know there is evidence of the existance of God if you think about it for a while." You then proceeded to tell us exactly none of that evidence. Try again...

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Sure you can say that I am completely wrong because it doesant say that in the Bible but you have to remember that the Bible was written over 2000 years ago and the humen race was not as advance in understanding everything around us. So they wrote the Bible in that manner of myth like. Those events took place but they took place in a different manner which humens cannot truely understand. So we wrote it in that manner. So this makes me believe that ghosts and the peranormal and God are real. And that it's not a fake.
Ah yes, the Bible is a load of bollocks. Glad we agree on something...

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Ask any athise how the Universe was created and they will say the Big Bang. But then ask them what made the Big Bang. And they will say something scientific like atoms being pulled apart or something like that.[/b]
Wrong. I would say one of the following:

1. The Big Crunch of the previous Universe.
2. A ripple in the Cosmic Foam.
3. We don't really know, but theories suggest (see 1. and 2.).

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But then you ask them what created atoms or the energy that created the atoms which started the Big Bang. They won't be abel to answer you because they don't know. But it is God who did it all. Look at the beginning of the Bible "Let there be Light!" Hint the Big Bang.
This is just my theory of coarse. But it makes complete sense if you think about it for a while.
No it doesn't. It's blatant plagiarism of just about every non-fundamentalist christian alive, and it isn't any more likely when you say it than it is when they said it...

Gluk Schmuck 04-09-2002 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by paramiteabe
  1. You know there is evidence of the existance of God if you think about it for a while.
  2. The evidence is all around you. It is nature it's self. It is the Universe and everything within it, that is God.
  3. God is not man nor a woman sitting in the clouds shooting lightening bolts down to punish us. God is the very essance of the Universe. In other words the nature of the Universe. That is why I believe God is eternal and that he never had a beginning nor will have an end. He just is.
  4. That view of God makes more sense to me than an old man sitting in the clouds. So if he is like I described him, then that means he is like everything, which means that he would be like us in his image. We as the humen race don't know much about our universe and how everything works. We only know our theories which are sometimes correct. But there are still questions remaining and that is "why?"

  1. Sure you can say that I am completely wrong because it doesant say that in the Bible
  2. but you have to remember that the Bible was written over 2000 years ago and the humen race was not as advance in understanding everything around us.
  3. So they wrote the Bible in that manner of myth like. Those events took place but they took place in a different manner which humens cannot truely understand. So we wrote it in that manner. So this makes me believe that ghosts and the peranormal and God are real. And that it's not a fake.

  1. Ask any athise how the Universe was created and they will say the Big Bang. But then ask them what made the Big Bang. And they will say something scientific like atoms being pulled apart or something like that.
  2. But then you ask them what created atoms or the energy that created the atoms which started the Big Bang. They won't be abel to answer you because they don't know.
  3. But it is God who did it all.
  4. Look at the beginning of the Bible "Let there be Light!" Hint the Big Bang.
    This is just my theory of coarse. But it makes complete sense if you think about it for a while.
Paragraph one:

  1. Oh yeah?
  2. You mentioned the word 'evidence' but you didn't mention any evidence.
  3. Yeah, I know that much!
  4. The view of God not existing makes more sense than God existing.

Paragraph two:

  1. I wouldn't say that you are wrong because it doesn't mention your theory in the Bible. I would say you were wrong for lots of other reasons. Namely, all the evidence which suggests that there is no God.
  2. No it wasn't.
  3. I agree that the Bible is based on myth and such but I belive the writers belived it.

Paragraph three:

  1. I see what you mean. I won't correct you until I find out how it works myself.
  2. Why should the atoms have been created? Things don't need to be created to exist.
  3. I want some evidence.
  4. I said I wanted evidence!

Danny 04-09-2002 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck
All the evidence which suggests that there is no God.
Correction: There is no evidence either way. The burden of proof is on the Believer, as (by definition) it would be impossible to prove the nonexistence of God. The evidence does point to the Big Bang Theory, to Evolution, etc, but there is no clear evidence against the existence of God.

I still don't believe in him...

paramiteabe 04-10-2002 01:33 AM
But what I am trying to get at is what created the Big Bang in the first place. You just can't get something from nothing. And as for Cosmic foam or other demensions that proves my theroy too. God created that too. If you relate religion with science you will be surprised on the similarities. Like in creation the Big Bang. Well the Bible mention that as Let there be Light. It's dark then suddenly it gets light. Well I am pretty sure that the Big Bang made a lot of light. I believe there is sort of a hidden messege throughout the bible that we are finnally discovering through science. And I think that is incredible.

dark_xinos 04-10-2002 03:46 AM
Yaaaaaa god?
 
I could be whrong here, there wasent nothing...there was dust, and particles, the big bang is an explotion that...exploded, when
all that spacecrap pile got to big (its enoth with one peace of sand that slowelo overe billions of years poled a smaller peace of sand to it... and so on and so forth... untill you get a trumendos pile...) and then when all of thoose wierd cemicles gather...well, the results was a Big Bang... and it will happen again, see. Sientists have a theory (that they have proven, even though some peaple dont belive OFCOURSE) that says like the universe is , and then i getting sucked together, and then it will compress again and CABLAM!! everything will be flung out again... and start all over again.

Q: I dont belive in big bang becuas there wassent anything to make and explosion. I belive that "god" created adam and eve
and we humans DID NOT EVOLVE FROM PRIMEAPES.
Arent I right?

A: Ehhhh... Did you read this in a magazine? Was it a tv or radio comercial that you missunderstood? Did you're parents tell you? Did you have a bad teacher in daycare? Wherever you got it from, there is now proof of this god thingy exists... some jerk just maid it up to get money via tha church (possebilety). And gods suposed to be good right? What did god prevent for our sake, he? War? Suffering? High Xbox prises? Whoooohoooo! Go god! I worship you're mercy on uss humans! Naaaaaaa. My apinion: GOD = BS

Lampion 04-10-2002 05:06 AM
This topic finally went into a fight between God and non-God believers. It took longer than I expected... oh well.

Regarding science, that is my opinion: all our theories about the way the universe works are limited by our very limited nature of being humans.

Studying the universe, Reneé Descartes once said: "God is an unnecessary variable in my equations." That incredibly arrogant afirmation was said by a seventeen century man, who knew nothing about integral and diferential calculus, or Einstein's atronomic theories, or quantic physics, and didn't have any sort of technological devices available to support his researches. Nowadays, he is still considered one of the most brilliant men of his time.

Looking at this example, we can think a little about the limited knowledge we have of the universe. If God exists or not, we will only be able to tell in a far future, when we become ready to experience it. Meanwhile, we have to keep our minds wide open, and, as Carl Seagan said, maintain an skeptic methodology to analise the world, and express our profound admiration on each new discovery.

I have an annoying feeling that this reply doesn't make a minimum sense at all...

Jacob 04-10-2002 12:20 PM
New Threory...off the top of my head, thought of it in literally 5 seconds. God is Lucifer!!

God creates man, but then man turns on God doing the whole non-believing crap, God then falls from heaven, to get back up in Heaven God then does good things to the world, people dont believe it, God then does bad things, people then say 'Its the Devil' etc. etc. , God then gets labelled as the Devil while people believe in nothing...Lucifer exists...but Lucifer created the world. Poooor God.

mitsur 04-10-2002 12:40 PM
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Also, something freaky and unexplained are all the cattle mutilations that took place in Texas and New Mexico over there in the states during the seventies. Wonder who pulled them off and cleared up all evidence of them, inlcuding foot prints, hair, tools, displaced shrubs, the lot!?!
um...I saw in this show a tape was rolling and somthing harry and HUGE ran into the trees.it was scary

dark_xinos 04-10-2002 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by mitsur


um...I saw in this show a tape was rolling and somthing harry and HUGE ran into the trees.it was scary
yAAAy Monkey Costumes!

paramiteabe 04-10-2002 04:52 PM
God gave us a free will to live. God is not the cause of all the problems within our world it is us that is the problem. It is the choices we make as an indivdual where we have our problems in this world.

If God were to control us we would be like drones or robots doing the same thing. Thats what makes us unique, The very fact that we have our individuality is a gift from the Almighty himself. Period!
;)

Jacob 04-10-2002 06:42 PM
God gave us free-will due to Lucifer dancing around him going:

# Give 'em free will, free will, free will. Give 'em free will, free-eee-eeeeee will!! #

We owe the great Lucifiel!! So...WORSHIP MY DADDY!!

RoN_Rancor 04-10-2002 07:20 PM
This may be a bit off topic but, what is Cosmic Foam?

Gluk Schmuck 04-10-2002 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by RoN_Rancor
This may be a bit off topic but, what is Cosmic Foam?
That's what's put on space ships so they can bump into each other and not break. Very useful for playing bumper-ships!

dark_xinos 04-11-2002 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by paramiteabe
God gave us a free will to live. God is not the cause of all the problems within our world it is us that is the problem. It is the choices we make as an indivdual where we have our problems in this world.

If God were to control us we would be like drones or robots doing the same thing. Thats what makes us unique, The very fact that we have our individuality is a gift from the Almighty himself. Period!
;)
No. Its becuas we have brains! The rteson where not like drones is cuas were not Borg;). We were dum at first, but we evolved to be smarter. Paramiteabe, tell me what made YOU belive in god.

Danny 04-11-2002 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by paramiteabe
But what I am trying to get at is what created the Big Bang in the first place.
It depends on what theory you subscribe to.

Oscillating Universe: The Big Crunch of the previous Universe.
Cosmic Foam: Ripples causing Bubbles to arise.
Other Theories: I don't know enough about them to say.

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You just can't get something from nothing.
Yes. So?

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And as for Cosmic foam or other demensions that proves my theroy too. God created that too.
No. If the Cosmic Foam Theory is correct, then the Cosmic Foam has always been there, or has never been there, depending on your point of view - Time is an internal thing, and so outside the Universes, there is none...

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Originally posted by dark_xinos
I could be whrong here, there wasent nothing...there was dust, and particles, the big bang is an explotion that...exploded, when
all that spacecrap pile got to big (its enoth with one peace of sand that slowelo overe billions of years poled a smaller peace of sand to it... and so on and so forth... untill you get a trumendos pile...) and then when all of thoose wierd cemicles gather...well, the results was a Big Bang... and it will happen again, see.
The short answer is, yes, you are wrong. Before the Big Bang, there was nothing. Not only that, but there was no Space or Time in which there could be anything. Unless, of course, you believe in the Oscillating Universe Theory, but even then, you're still wrong...

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Originally posted by paramiteabe
God gave us a free will to live.
Then why does he get so pissed off when we use it?

Jacob 04-12-2002 05:16 PM
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Then why does he get so pissed off when we use it?
How does he get pissed off?

dark_xinos 04-12-2002 06:16 PM
Paramiteabe, and you other god fans, awnser me this PLEASE

You say that nothing can exist without being created.
And therefor God mustof created it.

No think about those two things a cupple of times and awnser: WHAT CREATED GOD? nothing exist without a GOD creating stuff. There for a GOD must have created a GOD. And that can make you're mind spin for a time...
So, therefor. God must of just suddenly existed, cuas nothing was there to create him. So, why cant the universe just be created like that.

EDIT: Know i guess you might awnser me with some possible replys...

1. No, it dossent work that way. God just exists.

A: Whell what can I say. "No it dossent work that way, the Universe just exists"(?). Its not a good awnser.

A COMMENT TO THAT LAST POINT WE BOTH CAN SAY TO THAT: Your just saying that cuas you cant think of anything better.
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Paramiteabe said: "God is nither a man or woman." Yet you address god with "he"?!
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Q:Whell if the Universe pops out of no-where, why cant god?

A: Whell in that case we dont have dont have evidence to belive in nither of them.

Edit: Paramiteabe said: "God is nither a man or woman."
R: Yet you address god with "he"?!

Oddworld Master 04-12-2002 06:25 PM
Does this have to turn into another religeous TOPIC!


I sure as hell have had encounters with ghosts but it's to hard to explain what happened...but scince my little experience i've believed in ghosts.

Gluk Schmuck 04-12-2002 07:20 PM
Very good point, Xenos.

Something related to the thing about God's creation:
Recently, a COE church I pass on my way to school put 'GODISNOWHERE (Now read it again)' on its advertising board. When it is read again, it supposedly reads 'GOD IS NOW HERE' but I thought Christians were in the belif that God is omnipresent and therefore was everywhere all the time.

Maybe that means God, apparently, WAS created.

Something doesn't add up ... Damn zealots, always changing the stories.

dark_xinos 04-13-2002 05:53 PM
zealots!? What do they have to do with this? Xelnaga.

Or did you just say that as a funny line?

munchman 04-13-2002 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by Paramite Pie
My grandfather once told my dad (when they were like 20) not to go on this road trip with his friends because he had a funny fealing.

The next day they found out that all dads friends died in a car crash!!! :(

Spooky huh...?
thats spooky :(

Jacob 04-13-2002 09:30 PM
I AM SSSSSHAKING!! (Im bored, so 'scuse the sarcasm)

Gluk Schmuck 04-14-2002 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by dark_xinos
zealots!? What do they have to do with this? Xelnaga.

Or did you just say that as a funny line?
Zealots are (crazy and very) religious people. So it is relevant.

I'm watching a video in my RE class about Jesus of Nazereth and everybody keeps coming up to Jesus and saying they're zealots. It's funny!
That video has tought me that Jesus was pure evil. He keeps putting on an evil face. Scary!

Lampion 04-14-2002 09:57 AM
Actually, Gluk, Zealots was a faction of the jewish people who believed that the evil influence of Rome could only be banished from Jerusalem through a civil revolution, a war against Rome. One of the apostoles of Jesus was a former zealot (I can't remember his name). Because of that, Jesus group was identifyed as Zealots several times.

But Jesus was radicaly against the Zealot's point of view, since he defended a peacefull resistance to Rome. When he appeared, there was already a revolutionary movement going on among the jewish people., and many people beleived that Jesus was the mighty General, the Leader who would claim the trone of Jerusalem and expurge the Romans from their lands.

A particualr episode of Jesus' life is very significant, regarding this subject. When Jesus was arrested and presented to the people of Jerusalem, along with another prisioner, called Barrabas(spell?), people actually chose to set free Barrabas, not Jesus. that other prisioner was an important Zealot, and in that ocasion, his comrades believed that he was more valuable to their cause, since Jesus wasn't inclined to their revolutionary ideas.

Through time, the word "Zealot" gained the depreciatory meaning we know nowadays, i.e. a crasy, very religious, and should I add, inclined to violence, people.

Gluk Schmuck 04-14-2002 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Lampion
Through time, the word "Zealot" gained the depreciatory meaning we know nowadays, i.e. a crasy, very religious, and should I add, inclined to violence, people.
Yeah, that's the meaning I was refering to.


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