Bitch I have more class than that.

Well you've yet to show any.

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Ooohhh edgy. I like it.

My dear, this is not edgy, this is me calling it how I see it. (◡‿◡✿)

Eh. Whatever the topic is, get back on it.

This is the topic now

NO NATE WE NEED A WHIPPING THREAD STOP OPPRESSING US

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...medium=twitter

Thought this was an interesting article. Sort of proves that the media is creating legions of mindless spergs who are happy to believe that brown people are swarming their countries because it's an easy scapegoat for the wrongs of the world.

Mind you, 5 million out of 66 million is still a great number. Also, the actual number is greater than that, as the goverment can't explicitly ask people about their religion, and not all muslim migrants particularily show any signs of their ideology.

Additionally, according to the research site they quoted:



the number is most likely to grow further.


Not to the 30% percent, yes. That 30% percent comes from a survey among the people. They asked them questions like: "What's the percentage of muslims in France, in your opinion?".

It's no wonder people got it wrong. Statistics are *not a matter of opinion* lol. This is really dumb. They might as well have asked them:

and it'd be as facepalm-worthy as this.

PS: I also wouldn't trust theguardian. They posted the troll bait story as a real article

Varrok is right. Also, keep in mind that more than half of French prisoners are muslims.

Vlam, are you a member of the alt-right?

I had something legit to say but my phone disconnect me from the internet five times and I just gave up writing the same post out again after loosing it. All ill say is, if so many Muslims don't display their culture or religion, why would you care, Varrok? Considering that half your arguments against immigration seem to revolve around muh integration?

They do display those things. And, from looking at other countries it's pretty obvious they don't integrate well.

Also, is "the alt-right" the latest overused buzzword? I've heard it around and everyone who says it means something different.

It's just a PC way of saying 'fascist', i.e., using terms to stop the far right getting triggered.

Is everyone who disagrees with you alt-right?

Also, Vlam appears to be correct

It’s about 7.5%, or less than 1 in every 10 people. When you consider that Muslims are the second largest religious group in the world (around 23% of worldwide population) after Christians, it turns out they’re very under-represented and not a very large group at all in the UK.


A projected rise of 0.8% from 2010 to 2020 isn’t particularly terrifying. Compare that to the 3.9% increase in unaffiliated people over the same period, which is bigger even than the 3.4% estimated rise of Muslim population from 2010 to 2050.

I’m sure somewhere there’s people crowing about how the atheists are going to out-populate the religious folk and murder them all, but we would dismiss that as silly scaremongering, wouldn’t we?


The purpose of the survey isn’t to gather accurate demographic statistics, it’s to compare public perception with the actual statistics. This is a useful comparison to do because it can give an indication of public opinion and perception – in this case it indicates potential biases, discriminations, and negative opinion of Muslims among the general population.

But please, continue with your dumb strawman.


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France also has a very small prison population – 68,514, around 0.1% of the total population (France’s population is around 66.03 million people). When you have a very low population you’re going to get skewed statistics; add in that ethnic minorities are more likely to be over-represented in prisons, and France’s historically poor record of integrating Muslims, and guess what happens?


I know right? We should just call them what they really are: fascists.

7.5% is a big number. It's nowhere near as a majority, bit it's significant, especially for the culture from another continent. It's not like that 23% of the worldwide population comes from Europe anyway.

I bet there are atheists who'd gladly murder religious people if they had an opportunity. Being an atheist alone does not make you a civilized person like us.

How saying the percentage of muslims in France indicates you're biased towards them?


Read it. The narrator gives valid arguments for the position then changes his mind purely due to virtue signalling from his friends whom he considered SJWs. The whole thing makes no sense.

Plus, there's that one guy who claims he made up the article as a joke. He didn't explicitly prove it, so that's in no way a hard evidence, but considering the inconsistent nature of the article, I find his claim very plausible.

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France also has a very small prison population – 68,514, around 0.1% of the total population (France’s population is around 66.03 million people). When you have a very low population you’re going to get skewed statistics; add in that ethnic minorities are more likely to be over-represented in prisons, and France’s historically poor record of integrating Muslims, and guess what happens?

How big does the prison population need to be to satisfy you? 70 thousand people are a reliable sample for statistics.

Also, it's not France's fault the Muslims in prison weren't willing to integrate. Do you think the migrants would continue migrating to France if it was so hostile towards them?

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I know right? We should just call them what they really are: fascists.

How does what Vlam posted make him a fascist?? Are you insane? I thought YOU were the one accusing ME of making strawmans.

When you posit a tongue in cheek question to someone but fucks fail to understand.





I'm like, "eh".

There's a time and place for tongue-in-cheek questions.

The political threads are not the best place for them, though.

Didn't realise you were the fucking hermeneutics and mordancy police.

Double standards, when vlam does it (and oh boy does he do it), you don't give a fuck, because he agrees with you.

Vlam has his own problems, but he didn't post anything misleading in this thread.

No, it's your way of saying fascist, it really doesn't mean anything at this point. if you want to say fascist just say fascist and save the confusion.

Who's a fascist again?

I mean, no. It's literally a term coined by fascists because they kept getting all butt hurt when people called them fascists.

Whatever dude I've heard it used tonnes of different ways by tonnes of different people. I thought it came about when right winger's didn't want white supremacists associated with their political leaning so they decided them to call them the "alternative" right.

Maybe we should call you guys the alt-left.

what the fuck does that even mean? we all have problems.

Sybil Ant and Manco must think that Woody Allen's Paris is actually real.

It’s only significant if you think that the population should be homogeneously native, which is completely unrealistic for any country with any kind of immigration system. We live in an interconnected world where people can cross borders, you’re going to have more diverse populations. If that’s scary to you then


Um, OK?


This isn’t hard to figure out: by surveying people’s estimates of the Muslim population and their rate of growth, then comparing those perceptions to reality, we can see if people overestimate those numbers. If they do overestimate, then we can compare that with the existing culture where Muslims are often demonized and we get into internet arguments about how them being a percentage of the population is scary or worrying somehow, and theorize that the wider anti-Muslim/anti-immigrant/xenophobic rhetoric that’s been on the rise the past few years is having an effect on people’s perceptions.

Put simply: if people are greatly overestimating the size of the Muslim population in their country, that’s a sign that they are worried about that population, and also that they have been misled about its size.


“Virtue signalling” is such a stupid insult, don’t use it. also lol if you think that article describes any valid arguments for hating Islam

Oh well a guy on Twitter claims he did it so it must be true.


Except it clearly isn’t since it’s hugely unrepresentative of the overall demographics of France. You can’t draw meaningful conclusions about the population from such a skewed sample of the country’s population.


“France has well-known and persistent problems in some of its rougher suburbs, which tend to disproportionately lean Muslim. Poor schools, social isolation, and stigmatization mean it is hard for residents to feel like they have a future that involves a steady job and a path to somewhere better. These neighborhoods are often plagued by drug use, vandalism, and sometimes riots. This has been coupled with racism and Islamophobia that has marked people from every walk of life.”

It’s generally the state’s responsibility to tackle the issues described there – if one area of the community is disproportionately poor, isolated, poorly educated and stigmatized then is it unreasonable to think that the state should try to fix those problems?


Please point out where I claimed vlam was a fascist or “alt-right” hint: I didn’t, I was replying to Nep

Who even is a feminist these days? In First World countries.

Little Lamb is right, it's all just a trend.

I'm all for trends. I'm a fucking Wiccan for Christ's sake.