I don't want it removed entirely! I'd just like a Classic Hard mode without it, for the players like me who like the original difficulty of AO that was stripped from NnT. Like I said it's always more difficult to not use something like that if it's right at your fingertips. So I'd just like a mode where they disabled it. It surely couldn't be difficult to implement in the slightest :)
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They're teaming up with a studio specialized in CG animation, so the high quality cutscenes are back. The quicksave was there in the original AE though, and that game was pretty hard even with it IMO.
If the tone comes close to the ARG it's going to be great, I just hope they're going to be a bit more careful with the technical stuff. They're still going to be using Unity for whatever reason, but maybe the final product won't be as glitchy and unoptimized as NnT, hopefully. |
I found Exoddus much, much easier to get the good ending, even as a kid, definitely in part due to Quiksave protecting me as I went. It's just a personal thing I'd like to see implemented as an option, to make up for NnT's insane easiness haha.
Amazing news about the CG stuff. That'll make me very happy. To this day the original cutscenes look amazing to me. |
I feel like in AO much of the difficulty was due to the scarceness of checkpoints. As in, it was more tedious than hard, having to redo 5 easy sequences just to get to the hard one. And as you get more and more angry at the game you start to fuck up the easy sequences and UGH
That's a thing I do and most people don't isn't it |
I think a lot of people feel the way you do Assassin! I believe I'm in the minority when I say I don't mind those long checkpoints, even if I have to redo an easy part a few times or what have you. But it's each to their own at the end of the day.
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To be honest I felt Oddysee was perfect without quicksaving. The checkpoints never bothered me too much. The introduction of quicksaving made NnT MUCH too easy for me; The puzzles were never originally designed with a quicksave in mind, meaning they're simpler/shorter to compensate for that. The quicksave in NnT made them feel even shorter than that (I mean cmon, I 100% that game on Hard in like 2 hours and 30 minutes, I could never do that on Oddysee).
Exoddus, however, has much more complex and lengthy puzzles which take advantage of the fact the player can quicksave to throw more and more traps and things which would have seemed BS in the original if you had to start at a checkpoint, but are perfectly okay in Exoddus where you can quicksave at convenient times. ... Or at least, that's how I always felt haha |
There have been times when I've sat down to do a replay of Oddysee, and done the first or 4 or so secrets which take a while, and then died and because I hadn't triggered the next checkpoint yet (because I'd only traversed about the first 5 screens of the main game) it reset all the secrets and I'd just given up because I'd literally have to put another half hour into doing all the secrets again. That's the only time I had a gripe with the sparse checkpoints in AO.
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yeah, the checkpoints are the reason I neer finishing AO. I didnt enjoy my time with it, because it didnt have a quiksave, or more frequent checkpoints.
Quiksave isnt a difficulty erasing feature. Having to redo 5 minutes of the same thing over and over is not fun. ur not gonna quiksave after every jump. And quiksaving in the wrong place can make u restart the level if it puts u in a bad spot. If they want to make a difficulty without quiksave go ahead. Im only going to play the game for about 2 thousand hours anyway, so I probably wont need it. Its a nice safeguard though. |
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@Connel Having a hard mode without quiksave is a dumb idea, either have it or don't. Playing well and being rewarded with the loss of a feature is one of the worst ideas I've seen in this thread. |
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It's sort of like "Yeah, you managed to do that? Well try THIS!". I feel like that's quite an Oddworld thing to do as well. |
As for me, I always imagined and wanted a hard mode for AO and AE as same old levels but with more sligs/mines/chant disruptors at places, where they weren't etc.
That would make absolutely different way to play old levels - like, normally, in this level, we possess slig, kill all other sligs and blow up ourself with this mine, while on hard mode, we would had to explode mine with rock, killing as much sligs as possible, just to get a slightest chance to run through them without being killed, get a bomb from far-away bomb dispenser and return back to kill every other slig or blow up chant disruptor. Man, such hard mode would be awesome and really "new 'n' tasty" way to complete your old favorite game. |
Ultimately, however they go about it, they should incorporate a higher level of difficulty for those that want it. Be it by disabling Quiksave, lengthening checkpoints or, as ndvr said, mixing up enemy and hazard placements to throw off fans who know the game well. Just something, so that for players like myself who found NnT far too easy can have a more challenging experience akin to the original games.
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It's hard to think of how they could tweak Exoddus to be harder than it is. Like, the obvious things like making enemies do more damage is moot in a game where they kill you all in one shot hahaha
Mixing up the levels sounds most logical. Kinda like a Oddworld Master Quest |
Sligs don't actually always kill you with their first shot in AE.
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It's probably more accurate to say that you'll get two free hits, because if there's tones of Sligs on screen they're pretty much going to kill you instantly if they all start firing at the same time. |
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Perserverance would be a better word. But Perserverance is a virtue doesnt have the same ring to it. |
Anyway, Lanning will never disable Quiksave:
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Okay, for a hard mode then, if they won't disable hard mode, what if; if a mudokon dies, Abe also dies/it goes back to the last quick save (I actually already do this because I don't let my mudokons die, but hey ho :'D) Maybe partnered up with alternate locations for mudokons to spawn to mix it up |
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Looks like the gang are experimenting with different avenues for difficulty. |
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... *votes yes* |
What's the point of limited lives when you can just quickload after any little mistake like a total noob?
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I'd assume they'd either remove that, or Quikloading would use a life. I am 100% for a mode like that haha, that's exactly what I'm after!
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They're not asking about a mode, though. I interpretted that tweet as saying the game would be like that always, like an arcade game or oldschool Nintendo.
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That would be awesome and they should definitely do it.
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Personally, I enjoyed the difficulty of AO. The check points were a pain but that's just how the game was. AE had Quiksave and I couldn't imagine it without Quiksave. The levels were a lot bigger in AE and it needed something. An AO remake shouldn't have Quiksave. However NnT, again in my opinion, benefitted from Quiksave because the timing of mines and meat grinders was messed up in NnT. However, in saying that, the only part of NnT I found slightly challenging was the Alf DLC. |
I absolutely hated repeating segments in AO just because someone like a cousin thought it was hilarious to get Abe shot while I was away from my computer.
I noticed some of you don't like quicksaves, so why remove it? Just because a select minority of players want the feature removed, many noobs will not want to abide by these experienced player's rules. If OWI wants to expand their audience it would be stupid to take out something like quicksave, they need to make it friendly for new players. You know, the best way to play the game is to only save at checkpoints, which you can do manually in AE and NNT. |