Physically fighting back is an awful choice when dealing with a bully, it only makes you more of a target whether you succeed or not.

also

hahaha I always thought you were fucked up but jesus this takes the cake

I doubt the coach will care as when I was younger our P.E. teacher guy didn't give a crap.
Also, if you don't want to tell I'm pretty sure you can just leave the team. They can't force you to stay in.

The problem is a lot of kids in that situation would think that just leaving the team and telling someone who cares why would be pussying out rather than staying and getting his face kicked in.

yeah it suck's being a kid :(

I agree. If I was in that situation I would feel like crap. Also, the annoying thing for the person is the fact that if he attacks back he'll anger the bully even more and he'll be in a worse situation.

Ok mister wise guy, if someone had a gun to your head and you were given the choice to either kill a complete stranger in your place or be killed yourself, what would you do?

It's basic survival instinct not to choose yourself. Denying it, THAT is fucked up.

I think he was meaning that it was stupid in the situation of bullying. That's not the same as your example.

I don't get this whole 'cyberbullying' thing. I've been bullied in real life, but the only way that ever effected me was physically, and that was with injuries. Then I learnt to either fight back if possible, or get the guy neck-deep into shit and then laugh my ass off at him.

What helped me deal with it was foresight. I knew for a fact that the people picking on me were dumb shits, and would go nowhere in life and become failures. I know for a fact that the main culprit got excluded and can't even get a job at Asda, and I laugh to myself when I think about all the meaningless crap he tried to pull.

Hell, the worst case of 'bullying' I've experienced, if you can call it that, is being attacked along with my friends by a group of youths when walking through a park late at night. They weren't after valuables, just to pick fights with people they had obvious advantages over (numbers and weapons...). Even then, thoughts going through my head were more like "For fuck's sake, what is wrong with people nowadays?" than "Oh fuck, why me, this is so horrible!" Maybe I'm detached, or have a Jackass level of self preservation. Either way, socially I turned out fine and have a great deal of close friends, new and old.

In sixth form, the way things worked was different. Everyone was on the recieving end of banter. The only people who got 'bullied' were the people who couldn't lighten the fuck up and take it like everyone else. Tell me that isn't fair - that's preparing people to the real world. If I couldn't cope with 'bullying', I wouldn't have a job, because it often feels like the manager is just trying to kick up shit with me. But that's life.

Also, cyberbullying = rofl, to me at least. I mean, shit. People were making all sorts of death threats and horrible suggestions to me when I was about 12, and that's because I kicked so much ass at Unreal Tournament and made grown men rage. Even then I laughed at it so hard and showed my big brother so he could laugh too. The trick with trolling is to troll harder. Nowadays it just gets easier and easier.

I appreciate other people's opinions, but that's where I stand.

I'd take cyberbullying over physical bullying anyday.
Irritating ass on facebook? Block account. Problem solved!

Goddamn it I always wanted to join the rugby team but didn't have the confidence. Too late!

That's an obvious and easy solution which is why the people the person getting bullied goes to for help usually get's confused and ends up just explaining that to them only for them to ignore the advice. I still don't get it either, I had some guy on my xbox live friends list who was mean sometimes. I ended up removing him and blocking communications.

What does killing people have to do with bullying?


ANyway, wow.. Goresplatter is here!!

I wanted to comment on the death threats from Unreal Tournament(awesome game :D)
Death threats from strangers who don't know who you are is not the same as death threats from people at school. Those can be nasty. Specially if a lot of people do it.

I said that earlier. It not as bad if you have your friends with you though. That's probably why I didn't get bullied much.

yo if being selfish is being not fucked up then please let me be fucked up

I got a lot of death threats, in person. Fact is, all I said to them was "Do it, then. See what happens." Fact is, people who say shit like that are pussies on the inside.

I think some people just learn how to deal with it early, and some don't, making them exponentially more vulnerable. Some people GENUINELY bring it on themselves, though.

I know what you mean. I knew some person who always was bullied at school because he had a lot of freckles, as pathetic as that sounds, that was the whole reason for it. The problem was he never actually tried to stick up for himself and he show signs of weakness. I don't know how well he's doing now since I'm at a different school, but I've heard he's still being picked on though.

The reason why cyberbullying is so potent is because people who are very shy, not very social, vulnerable and easy to pick on... people like I was back in high school (And still to some degree am) see the internet as their comfort zone and safe place.

Having someone attack your comfort zone is absolutely soul crushing. You're not safe anywhere anymore. People who can't understand that sort of situation don't know what the fuck they are talking about, and should either try to understand what it must feel like rather than derriding victims as weak or just piss off.

Then they aren't taking full advantage of their comfort zone. Get the easy password of the nobhead who's 'bullying' you, and Frape the shit out of him, repeatedly. He'll soon be more upset than you were.

Or sign them up to over 9000 gay porn sites.

There's just a billion ways that cyber-bullying isn't effective, seriously. Counter-trolling is just way too easy, and if someone actually becomes irritated, it just means that they're letting it bother them too much, for lack of better wording. If I'm ever arguing over the internet, I'm probably playing games at the same time, or listening to music, for example. About a one-hundredth of my attention is given to the actual argument. With purposefully illogical arguments on my end, coupled with statements like "you're obviously wrong, just deal with it," "u mad?" and "lol ok," they'll be more angered than you by your passiveness, I guarantee it.

They're not worth your full attention, so why bother giving it to them? Don't think of the internet as your "safe place", away from oh so terrible words. Think of it as diplomatic immunity. If you're more intelligent than them, which 90% of the time is true when confronting bullies, then you'll win every shit-flinging match, if it's just words. If they try to bring it up on school, it should be like "you're gonna get all worked up because of some words on a computer screen? You massive pussy."

Pft. Come to think of it, laws against cyber bullying is practically laws against free speech, seen as though one of the key points about the internet is true free speech. And if their speech pisses you off? You have the right to block/ignore them. Something I think everyone needs to learn to do against words in REAL LIFE.

Nice logic bro, shame it's totally useless in these situations.

Of course you could do all that, your offline bullying would probably go up for doing so, but you could definitely do it. Try telling that to a scared and panicing fifteen year old who is being terrorized and hounded by offenders, though. Whilst you're at it, try telling the homeowner pointing a shotgun at a thief that there are a million better ways to deal with the situation.

You are not trying to put yourself in their position, you are not trying to understand them. This is exactly the same kind of MAN UP BRO bullshit that just makes victims of bullying feel worse about themselves.

good job on replying to one fucking sentence out of Jordan's post. you really made a valid counter-argument, there.

like you just did in the quote above this one?

FUCKIN' HYPOCRITES, HOW DO THEY WORK?

sure thing, bro. ur so kewl.

as fucking childish as your argument is, i can see where you're coming from. i mean, if you were dead, who would look after all that money? or get groovy with the alley cats? or post blind, pitiful arguments on the internet? that just wouldn't be right. fuck it, kill the other cunt and walk on outta there. survival, man.

nah, it amazes me what a self-indulgent, ignorant creature you are.

Yeah at the end of the day I'd much rather have the guilt of sending someone into their grave on my conscience for the rest of my live, but at least I'll be ALIVE. You might not expect it, but I kind of value my current life a lot since I don't believe in things like heaven.

I never said it would be an easy decision to make, even though everyone is rushing to assume that I would be able to murder someone in cold blood.

But sure, keep being childish and avoiding my question.

I'll answer your question with questions. Where is this taking place, how far away is the guy threatening me, is he a good shot, does he have fast reaction time, is he willing to negotiate, why should i believe him that he wouldn't kill the other person if he's willimg to kill me?

A Scenario like yours is never as simple as you are presenting it

Over 9000? Don't you think that's a bit extreme?

Cyber bullies are people who can't hash it in real life, so they either troll or set up cyber-empires.

And then there's Chris Chan. The ultimate vortex of internet cyber-bullying.

actually to my knowledge quite alot of people who get bullied in real life (physically if you know what i mean) become cyber bullies so they can have power too...

Cyber bullying can offer people a certain type of power that may be inaccessable by any other means. As long as you know you have something to use against a victim and you know it'll upset them, success is almost guaranteed. It's probably why it's so common.

The thing is... This discussion is fucking IRRELEVANT to cyberbullying or bullying at all.
I mean... In fact... It's spam.
If you want I'll split the thread and create a "Would you kill someone to stay alive?" thread. It can be an interesting discussion on its own. But it has no business here in this bullying thread.
You really do miss the point.

Whether Id kill someone or not has nothing to do with whether Id bully someone or not. And Im sure this is the case for the majority of this forum.

No, it wouldn't go up by doing so. Thing is, the people who don't stick up for themselves are the ones that get bullied for longer. The 'panicking' fifteen year olds are the ones that constantly victimise themselves instead of realising the big picture; lie down and take it like a bitch and they'll come back for more.

Your analagy of the homeowner with the shotgun is almost as fundamentally flawed as Havoc's. Are you a pacifist? What would you suggest the 'homeowner' do? Let them leave and call the police later? The police arrive, take details and do sweet FUCK ALL else. And then, guess what? Thief realises robbing that house is piss easy and has zero consequences, and does it again a few weeks later to pick up the shit they left last time. Much like bullying. Do nothing about it, people realise you're a pushover and carry on.

I'm not saying 'SHOOT THE FUCKER!', because, like I said, the analagy is bad. People bully those they have no respect for, and fighting back somehow, whether winning or losing, is going to do better for their respect than bending over constantly.

Why has this kind of bullying only just become a huge problem anyway? I'm sure in generations earlier people learnt to deal with it instead of bitch about it. Is it cushy parents or what? Sheltered lifestyles?

Besides, I don't have to think to put myself in their position, I can remember. You know what's fucking worse than being bullied at school? Being bullied at work, by a manager who hates your guts. You can't do shit about that; you can't argue back, you can't exactly take a swing at them. Tell another manager? Yeah, like they'll do anything about it, they're all chums. Call head office, higher ups? As if they give a shit, I guarantee it's more likely to get you a disciplinary than them. My answer was to tolerate it, phase it out, and get on with my life.

Attempts at bullying outside of work hasn't ever managed to take hold of me because I haven't let it. My girlfriend's been bullied before, when she started college, and I gave her the same advice I'm giving you guys, and now it's no longer a problem; everyone in her class is now on her side, and the ex-bullies are now social outcasts, all because of a little returned aggression.

The 'man up bro' stuff is the stuff that SHOULD work. If people actually listen, and try it instead of just approaching advice as another insult. And if they don't, then they're either arrogant or too sensitive. If it's the latter, it's mostly their problem and they need to fix it before it actually REALLY matters, like in the workplace. Don't deal with it sooner and it'll be worse later.

Sorry, getting a bit aggressive. This topic always makes me so.

P.S. Forgot to say, I'm quite flattered you remember me, T-nex!

I wasn't the one who escalated that part of the discussion, just FYI. Nor do I have the desire to continue it, actually.

This is what I'm talking about. You're just assuming everyone is or can be as resiliant to it as you are. You think the whole thing is so easy and the issue really isn't there.

How hard is this to understand?

• Person is bullied offline and retreats to the internet where they feel comfortable
• Bullies from offline stalk the person online and start harassing them
• Victim's spirit gets crushed
• Victim commits suicide

It exists. It's a real problem. Trivializing it (LOL cyberbulling) won't help, neither will saying how much better you were at dealing with it, neither will telling victims they're too sensitive and need to learn to roll with it.

Also for your information I think laws against cyber bullying are stupid too, my suggestion is for people to be schooled on how to defend themselves against this kind of abuse. Something that actually works.

We understand the system and how the bullying works but is it possible to alleviate the problem? There are multiple conclusions to end the bullying but each one has it's own set of positive and negative outcomes so how does one pick the correct option. Of course this is impossible.

+ Fight the bully face to face
+ 'Snitch' on the bully
+ Charismatic approach to try and negotiate with the bully

Personally I would choose the third because it has worked for me better than any other way of ending bullying has done in previous occasions, the repercussions were minimal and I saw an almost 100% positive out come, he keeps himself to himself, and do do the same, neither of us wanted to lose the fight and it could have gone either way. Of course this is embellished with external factors which modify the outcome, for example if the teachers that had been over watching the event from a distance not been there, he may have thrown a punch at me as my friends told me afterwards looked like it might happen. Then the whole thing becomes void.