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Wings of Fire 10-27-2009 06:22 AM

Which mostly boil down to racial national purity idenity and the need to preserve Britain as it is, which is then taken forward as the immigration issue.

The name of the party says it all, really.

STM 10-27-2009 06:53 AM

I think he had one good idea which was to stop any more immagrints coming in, we are already the most overpopulated country in Europe!

OANST 10-27-2009 07:04 AM

Seems like this guy isn't quite as unpopular as some of you would like to think.


Look, guys! Britain is the new America!

Munch's Master 10-27-2009 11:20 AM

Just as America was the new Britain first.


The BNP do have other issues but admittedly don't talk about them nearly as much. They are very much "1 main issue, then there's a few other bits and pieces too". Another big problem with them. But WoF, please don't equate national identity to racial purity. That's essentially saying "Anyone who thinks Britain has its own culture is a Nazi".

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Okay, I'm going to ask the same thing back to you. If you consider yourself indigenous British, how many generations will it take for an immigrant to be considered equally so?

Specifically, what about a second or third generation person of Indian or Pakistani heritage? Would you consider him absolutely British, given that he's grown up in the same primary culture you have, with some familial influences?

I'd say it depends. On the purely hereditary view I'd say that either 2nd or 3rd generation to be born here equals British.

However, I'd consider them British if they considered themselves British. For instance, a friend of mine was born in eastern Europe and moved here a few years ago- changed his name to name himself after a historical English hero, speaks English fluently and before any other language, considers himself British now, highly patriotic for Britain (yet he's a member of the Labour party, so patriotism doesn't have to equal right wing). In my books he is 100% British, and . However I've also encountered people who, though born here, consider themselves to still be Pakistani/Indian. As such I don't think I'd consider them indigneous British as they don't consider themselves British at all.

OANST 10-27-2009 11:21 AM

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Just as America was the new Britain first.

It's a vicious cycle.

Wings of Fire 10-27-2009 11:23 AM

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Just as America was the new Britain first.


The BNP do have other issues but admittedly don't talk about them nearly as much. They are very much "1 main issue, then there's a few other bits and pieces too". Another big problem with them. But WoF, please don't equate national identity to racial purity. That's essentially saying "Anyone who thinks Britain has its own culture is a Nazi".

I wasn't equating, I was simply replacing their old terms for their new ones.

MeechMunchie 10-27-2009 03:35 PM

I still can't belive that in New England, London is in Somerset.

Nate 10-27-2009 08:52 PM

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I think he had one good idea which was to stop any more immagrints coming in, we are already the most overpopulated country in Europe!

What are you basing that on?

Munch's Master 10-28-2009 06:16 AM

I would assume population per square metre. I don't know if we are the most overpopulated in Europe, and to be honest I would doubt it (I remember hearing Russia has an overpopulation problem). However I would guess that we still have one of the higher population densities.

Wings of Fire 10-28-2009 06:21 AM

You know, even in the small town I grew up in I can walk down a street and see countless houses with a 'For Sale' sign that will never be sold, there is also far and away enough jobs for everyone in a stable economy.

The housing situation is Thatcher's problem, she passed that stupid law that said that poor people could buy their own council houses if they'd lived in them long enough. Twenty years ahead and these houses have been sold and are now on the private sector for stupid prices that nobody can afford, not the British poor that need them and certainly not immigrants.

It's not a question of not having enough resources, it's a case of having misdirected resources.