Maybe we'll get lucky and mudling's parents/entire family will be blown up in some sort of suicide-bombing.

Then mudling can tell us it was all okay because the bomber was an innocent person.

I really do want that to happen.

ONAST, you're not fucked up? You go on the internet where no one can hurt you to unleash shit on others as you get away with it?
You know what's the most popular form of bullying, e bullying, you know why? So little girls can unleash shit on the popular happy girls for being above them in the social statuas, and they can't get back on them.
That's not what I was trying to say, and you picked apart everything I've said, I was meant to go into an anti war speech, but I no longer care, but listen to this one point, these people are normal, non screwed up muslims, and they are innocent, but through their leaders they become non innocent screwed up individuals, and believe it or not, they still think they're right, and if they know what they are doing is wrong, they are too frightened to act against it, they think they don't have a point.
Sorry, but you're attitudes against the arabs, making them sound like some form of demons beheading to sataisfy their thrist for blood seems more racsist than anything I've ever said.
and Disgruntled Intern, that suicide bomber was of course not innocent while they were killing, but they were before they were persuaded to become suicide bombers.
And Disgruntled Intenr, lets all hope you are that suicide bomber.

Goddamnit, you are so unbelievably fucking stupid. If you want to consider me an ebully then that's fine. Go ahead. I suppose I've stolen your elunch money enough times to deserve it. I'm good with that. But to claim that a person who straps a bomb to himself and blows up children is a victim of "the wrong crowd" is beyond naive. It's moronic. You are insulting every single person in this forum, fuck that, on this planet who works towards the goal of a private, happy life. These people want you to die for no other reason than you aren't them. You don't stick up for people like that. You just don't.

And how in the blue fuck does denouncing Al Queda make me a racist, you dumb shit? Have I said a single word about Arabic people? Have I? No, I haven't. Arabs suffer more from terrorists than any person in the western world could ever begin to imagine. You need to watch your stupid mouth and actually think about what you intend to say before writing it down. Just wait until I have enough rep given out to give you more negative feedback.

You know, you guys make it pointless to state a point, how about just saying "I don't like your idea", so people are actually encouraged to say controversial things, not saying what I said was controversial.
And I say that becuase you unleash shit about the Al-Queda being screwed up and that, but ingore the fact that I've mentioned there are other extremeists just as bad as them, but becuase they're arab, and becuase of the negative stereotypes against them, they must be screwed up, not the other religeoust extremists.
Ok how about this, I don't care about rep any more, and I can't give anythign to you, but let's stop arguing, I'm allowed to make my points beleive it or not, but calling you racist was uncalled for, I only do it becuase you repeatedly call me one.
Drop my mistakes, and I'll stop attacking you, and we can tell each other our oppinions in peace.
Ok, you have a point, ok, ok, ok whatever, they're all cold heartless demons ok, I realy don't care any more.
But just hear me out on this, the majority of them would think that you were screwed up, not they
Anyways, I feel Lorne was trying to make a simular point when Abe was painted as a terrorist by the industrialists.
But whatever, as you've forced me to do so again, I have no opions on this topic

I haven't said anything about other religious extremists because that isn't what we are talking about. You want to talk about other terrorist groups? Fine. Great. Here we go. Any institution that attempts to bring around political change by harming others is sick, flawed, and stupid. Terrorism has a 100 percent failure rate. It merely serves to strengthen that which it combats.
They can think I'm "screwed up" if they want. They can think anything they want about me as long as they don't try to kill me. That's when i have a problem.

But they're not trying to kill you, sure they would if you got int their way, but so would the american government, well, lets not dabb into conspiricies shall we.
Anyways, you have your opinioons, I have mine, lets move on, I'm not goin to say anything more on the subject if I can help it

They flew a fucking plane into a business building. How are they not trying to kill me?

YOU ARE SO STUPID! I hate talking to you and yet I can't stop. I'm like a guy with a toothache who can't stop touching it.

It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. You're disgusted, but you can't look away.

OMG They weren't trying to kill YOU, they were trying to destroy the american economy, and anyone who got in the way, namely everyone in the building, everyone believes they WANTED to kill those americans, but what if it was just like killing two birds with one stone, they didn't care the americans were there, they wanted to kill them, but they did the 911, not to kill YOU, they don't want to kill YOU, YOU are ignsignificant to them, it's AMerica they wanted to ruin, not YOU, in that case anyway.
With the london bombings that's a whole different story, but I was reffering to the Al-Qaeda with the 911.
Ok, I'm stupid, ok I admitt now that I see you're point of veiw I know that in some cases I was wrong and you have a point, and ok, they're not exactly innocent, no one is actually, but it's the politions behind this all and the leaders that are the real "evil"
But ONAST, maybe you should grow up, there is no evil in this world, how about you see MY point for once?

It is not a matter of getting in their way. It is a matter of serving their purpose. The death of westerners serves their purpose. So yes, they wish to kill me. They also wish to kill you. And they want to make it public.

Realy, that sounds kind of shallow to me, I think there's more to the story, but if you're right then they are shallow minded dicks that probably deserve what's comming for them.
What I've been trying to state is that I think there's more to the story, becuase theses terrorists are painted as being pretty one demimesional, like the Nazi in a way.

What's a Natzi?

Sounds New Zealand-ish.

Ok I can't spell, shutup

You think the Nazis were one dimensional? You think they didn't have reasons for what they were doing? In their minds they were saving the german race from gene pollution and ecenomic recession. That doesn't make their reasoning valid or their acts any less evil.

Never met the space-bar before, either.

No, they were painted as being one dimensional, as are the Al-Qaeda, as my whole point has been about, there is of course more to the story.
Now if you take in the context of these two organisations, one was formed after it was taxed ludicorous high funds for suposedly starting WW1, and the other is was formed in an area filled with civil wars, hence a violent group forming them, keeping them in line.
Ok, you know what, I give up, think what you what, I'm probably wrong, so I give up my opinion, I no longer care

*snort*

I'm so sorry, but your posts are written like you're taking the mickey out of a George Bush speech.

redicorous? oranisations?

You are most certainly wrong but not about whether there is more to the story than just them trying to kill us. Of course they have their reasons. Of course they have their rationalizations. What you're wrong about is thinking that it actually justifies their actions in any way. It doesn't. Nothin justifies the murder of children, moron.

I never meant that it justifies their actions, I said it does in their mind.
Don't get me wrong, I hate Al-Qaeda as much as you, I hate what they've done and all, I just can't believe some people can be so fucking norrow minded.
And as you've pointed out, they aren't.
End of the debate

@Mudling.

You've lost, please surrender with what dignity you have left, as Ghost says it's quite disgusting and embarrassing.

The more you keep to this line of argument the deeper you dig a hole for yourself and the more opportunity you create for yourself to be further ridiculed.

Just let it go man.

This has been the worst conversation I've ever been a part of. Teaching my kid how to go on the potty was easier and I got less shit on my hands.

I have let it go several times, look at the above posts, how many times have I said that I don't care, let's move on?
I've let gone, let's hope that ONAST does too
And if this is a fight about dignity, I don't thin either of us has it (ONAST and I) as we can't help ourselves fighting across several threads.
ONAST, let's just stop this

Every single time you made that plea to stop you did it immediately after having added some new piece of idiocy to the conversation. You don't get to say your part and then decide the conversation is over. It doesn't work like that.

then lets make it work and all shut up
I feel sorry for the mod that has to clean this all up :(

Why? You made the mess.