Heh. Pretty fucking ironic that you’re giving me a lecture on honesty. Anyway, not people’s backs, your back because it’s hard not to talk about someone who spews out lies everywhere and then see some members swallow every lie you feed them.

Though I do regret ever playing along simply because it was easier and I was tired of arguing.

Once more I find quoting myself as the most efficient response.

As for the others, I’m trying to clear up things with them without pointless argument. I’ve never had conflicts with them before, so I’m trying to overlook anything that seemed to be a blow at me, like Shrink’s saying he bets I’ll be made a mod simply because of favoritism or something.

Speaking of Shrink’s post, I’ll also say the part he quoted me, saying “get over it” may need more explanation although I think I’ve said all this before. The forums’ favoritism isn’t at some high degree. In a way, I think almost all regular members are favored/get away with a little, etc. because they’ve proven themselves. If there was a high degree of it, completely ignoring all the rules for some and then completely enforcing them on others, creating some huge division among the posters, I’d make a topic about it myself even if I had the advantage. But believe what you will.

I lose? ...What? Sounds like this all a big game to you. Not that it’s a life or death situation, but still. And why exactly would I be turning against half of the members?

But... I do follow the rules as much as any other regular poster can be expected.

And I do love that idea, but find it pretty idealistic. It’s far out of my nature for me to say “Well, that’s just how the world is, so accept it”, but really, I find OWF to be such a fair place that there’s not much of it to complain about. There’s never been a time when I’ve seen a respected poster be punished for something unfairly. But, of course, if there’s any realistic ideas that you or anyone else has to make this place even more fair, suggest away.

Kimon, thanks for that. I quite dislike golden showers, but I do miss the golden days that you speak of.

Edit: Mmyep, it does suck that everyone thinks that I'm all for favoritism simply because I don't think it's a big issue here.

I just completely lost all respect for Dino. Is it even possible for you to have a civil arguement?

And Ambi, perhaps it's harder for you to see un-fairness, because being the admin's Girlfriend, you're obviously favoured (Not that you've done anything bad), it's easier to see from a less-popular view.

Used, by going back, I didn't mean have clone threads. I mean the attitude back then, the better mod behaviour then (Well, except DI) and the better quality of threads. Half of our new threads are just over-sexed or down-right stupid.

Well do you expaect us to make a transition instantly? Things will change over time.

No no, I don't expect a complete transition. But if the mods just put their foot down again, everything will go handy-dandy, even if it takes time.

I tire of this argument.

Conclusions - Be good or we'll ban your ass. Even if we like you.

EDIT - It also wouldn't surprise me if you're only intention s to kick up some shit as i posted a perfectly good solution and it has been all but ignored.

There's no such thing as a "civil argument". That would be like, a polite war, or non-physical punchup.

But whatever.

Hey! If it helps negotiations along any, I'm going to turn into a completely emotionless impenetrable (sorry leto) immortal automaton, whose entire repatoir of witty retorts consists of "Does not compute", "Your logic chip requires an upgrade" and "Your culture and technology will adapt to service ours - Resistance is futile.". Hopefully this will allow me to conduct this argument in a manner that doesn't involve conventional insults or taking things personally. That should boost my respect!

How does that sound? Feeling any of that respect flooding back yet? Is it getting hard?

No? Alrighty then. Exactly.

So shush.

Now, about this whole dealy; fairness, whatnot, blah, etc. Contrary to what Little Miss My-e-penis-is-larger-than-yours "thinks" (and I do use the word "thinks" lightly there, haw haw I'm so ebil) I don't believe we should go totally overboard with it, because then we'll just make everything all boring and things. But we should implement it gradually so that over time we get more of the lets-not-spam-so-much vibe. Because I dig that vibe, man, with spades and things.

Ah, that was fun. But I really don't care anymore now so, bye.

But before I go, I leave you with a few wise words, first spoken sagely by that king of kings, the Jolly Green Jesus; Ho-Ho-Ho. Christmas. Etc.

(close it, please, I should never have posted this in the first place and just let the whole thing blow over - my apologies to Amber who is absolutely right and got the better of my stupid self, sorry for being a bitch and I hope that later we can sit on a fence in the countryside with the sunwarmed wind in our hair, looking back at these old posts in laughter and farting - and my apologies to Cheese for picking on his sexy little ass, when we should've been going for long walks on the beach while holding hands, merrily skipping through that which doth yonder wabe and schtuff.)

I'm rolling my eyes, really I am. Anyway, I'm going to be fairly brief here.

Ambi deserves everything she has. I could go on about how she contributes, and shares her opinion, and is kind, etc, etc. But everyone knows that. That's the problem. A lot of you are jealous.

As for Hobo, yes, it's quite obvious that we are friendly. I make no apologies for having a tendancy to promote people I am more friendly with. Not only does it allow me to get to know the person better, and therefore judge character, but by being friendly, it assures me to some extent that they are not going to turn around and backstab me.

That said, there are Moderators who I do not talk with at all, or rarely. Those being Xavier, AlphaScrab, T-nex, SeaRex, Al the Vykker. Yet, I still support them. I've helped Xavier with his hosting for TOA, and TOGG. I've set up forums for T-nex. I've given SeaRex a lot of power and responsibility. I believe I've met a balance.

I make no apologies.

Alcar...

Bah, this is just exagerated now... I think Hobo's suggestion is the best one so far, and should be used.
Amber never did anything wrong, or spammed or anything, so she desrves what she has.
I just don't like when highly respected members go all hostile on others. Like Mods usually have this bad-ass attitude, which i really hate, so I'd rather not discuss with them or anything...

Anyways, Why not just close this thread. it could be so easy. There hasn't ever been a golden age, and it will never be golden. But at least we can improve it.
Bah, i don't know what to say, i just think it's become rediculous :rolleyes:...

I also think Hobo's suggestion is good. But otherwise this thread is kinda stupid.

All this thread are belong to closed.

EDIT - Temp. Reopened

I'll just say these few things:
First off, I think that Hobo's idea is a good one. While I don't like some of the things he says, his idea is definitely the most constructive suggestion we've had yet.
Second, I thought the way everyone (well, everyone who was nasty) spoke to Angel-Fox in her leaving thread was disgraceful. She was just saying she had to leave, and everyone yelled at her and insulted her. If someone new joins or someone leaves, then the members should show civilness and respect that member, and respect their decision.
Finally, Dino, I like you to a degree, and I respect you,and I think that you have made some good points in this topic, but you seem to have gone in a complete U-Turn from how you started. You insulted Ambi unneccessarily, and made some unkind comments. You could have simply stated your opinion and disagreed with hers in a more respectful manner. I'm not saying I agree with her, just that you could have been kinder. I'm not singling you out, as I say that same goes with everyone else who resorted to flaming to argue their point. Cyber-Slig had it right, keep this arguement civil, be accepting and respectful, even if you disagree with someone else.

...Yikes.

I had no idea there was so much tension on these forums. One of the issues is that people take this forum way too seriously. There is no massive conspiracy among the moderators or any special treatment, case closed. There's nothing special about a member being treated with respect, for good behavior. A member will be treated the same way they treat others. Sometimes new members will get away with spam when older members won't, but that's because newbs don't know any better. That being said, the moderators are in no way perfect, they are human like everybody else. Every now and then they might step over the line, or fart at inappropriate moments, but I'm sure running a forum is a stressful endeavor.

Dino is a great member, he's very intellegent, but he can be also very arrogant. (NERD-ALERT) He reminds me of Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars. He doesn't feel that the elders respect him, and he wants a position of power and authority, but his core intentions are good. Okay, it's a bit of a stretch to compare Dino to Darth Vader, but that's all that comes to mind as I write this. Dino just wants to be a well-known respected member of our community, and that ain't so bad. He brings some of the best discussions to the forums, so to lose his input would be a real drag. Unless anybody has solid evidence that he's created multiple accounts, attacking him because of a hunch is quite unfair. I understand where the guy's coming from, although I don't feel that the favoritism he metioned is at all intentional.

*Oh yes, and spectacular idea Hobo!

Actually, I think that was just me. And an apology was issued.

Anyway, I say three cheers for Hobo's suggestion.

Well, a formal atmosphere is a bit far, people can casually joke around friends! :p
I seem to be the only one who has a problem with the constant *sleeps with..* jokes, so maybe you shouldn't reinforce that idea around people who do enjoy it. They might... I dunno, create a friend complaining.

Ambi, you kind of missed my point(s), when you were directly referring to things I said. Nevermind.

So... what is everyone's problem now? Or have we all cooled off?

Alcar...

Yep, I absolutely agree. I should've kept it civil but really that isn't so easy when everyone is really ragging on you.

And jesus Mojo don't call me a nerd.

Listen, I don't want to be a respected member like it's some kind of life goal of mine. It'd be nice cause I'd get along with everyone easier if I was, but all I'm asking here is that we just respect each other instead of having warring sides across the forums and these internal feudes and such. It's rediculous, we're getting along like one big dysfunctional family. I'm sure we're all more mature than that. We shouldn't be spiting each other - we should be making love in Used's big ebony bed.

And RIGHT yes I should've said this in a better way, people make mistakes. I understand that already. Sorry for what I said, I can be a prick at times but so can everyone. I'm just trying (and going about it the wrong way) to get everyone in a position where they'll just have to learn to get along rather than fight/spite/mock/hate all the time.

Don't worry, I'm not that mean, I was calling myself a nerd for figuring out how to compare the situation to Star Wars. :blush:

Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us. God help us if it's fallen for a third time...

...

Anyway, I'm done here. I've taken everything I need to say to anyone through PMs, so I'm fine with someone closes it if everyone else is.

Pointless arguments ftw. :cheer:

Since I hold Ambi in such high regards, and therefore would do anything for her, because, you know, I like her a lot more than the rest of you, I'm going to close this for her :p




That was a joke aimed at you jealous folk, by the way.

Alcar...