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Jordan 11-20-2007 06:03 AM

He'd most probably smack them with his huge fists. But I doubt we'll ever know unless they put him in Munch's Exoddus.

Wil 11-20-2007 07:45 AM

Or the Munch film, if that comes first.

Munch would transform into Roid whenever he got pissed off, thanks to some handy steroid treatments courtesy of Vykkers Pharmaceuticals. How this would have worked exactly in terms of gameplay, I don’t know, but probably in a way too complicated for OWI to be able to integrate it into the final product in time for release. I suspect it might have had something to do with the way Abe treated Munch. Munch was to spend the first part of his own Oddysee in a wheelchair, completely at the mercy of Abe who was only interested in going where he wanted, and not so much with helping Munch (whose stories of abduction Abe didn’t believe).

Naturally, just about every part of all of this was eliminated from the final game. No wonder it broke Lorne’s heart.

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You and your portmanteaus.

I do indeed adore both portmanteaux and the word ‘portmanteau’. Drafted updates to articles on TOE use the latter quite a few times.

abe is now! 11-20-2007 12:58 PM

Can a normal Mudokon posses a Slig? I ask this because in all the games (AO, AE and MO) there aren't possessing Mudokons. Why? Is that a power only for Abe or Big Face? I know this has been asked before, but I need a detailed exlanation, if it is possible ;)!

Jordan 11-20-2007 01:13 PM

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Can a normal Mudokon posses a Slig? I ask this because in all the games (AO, AE and MO) there aren't possessing Mudokons. Why? Is that a power only for Abe or Big Face? I know this has been asked before, but I need a detailed exlanation, if it is possible ;)!

The Mud would have to have a lot of power to do this. Only the really special ones can possess.

Wil 11-20-2007 03:24 PM

I’ve never read a thing that says other Mudokons are incapable of possession, but Abe is the only one we’ve seen doing it. In gameplay, Abe can possess Sligs in RuptureFarms, but he’s never taught this until that story stone in Monsaic Lines.

abe is now! 11-21-2007 07:15 AM

But if Abe will be killed, who will be the leader of the Mudokons? Alf? Big Face? And why there some special bird portals that can turn Abe in the Shrykull? If will the birds die? I think these are some interesting bits and I need answers! Thank you ;)!!!

Bullet Magnet 11-21-2007 08:51 AM

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I’ve never read a thing that says other Mudokons are incapable of possession, but Abe is the only one we’ve seen doing it. In gameplay, Abe can possess Sligs in RuptureFarms, but he’s never taught this until that story stone in Monsaic Lines.

I've always gotten the distinct vibe that, despite what the big sign, secret portals and status screens indicate, when played with the narrative in mind the game makes more sense if Abe rescues no one until he returns to Rupture Farms at the end.

Wil 11-21-2007 10:39 AM

I think Abe would have had the heart to help any of his fellow workers escape along with him if he came across them, but it would definitely make a much tighter character evolution if he only rescued them after his spiritual awakening and such.

Bullet Magnet 11-21-2007 10:47 AM

I think he would have had the heart, I just don't he'd have the ability. Nor the clarity of thought.

OddYouko 11-21-2007 10:54 AM

Why are Abe's hands and feet bigger in MO but not in AO or AE? Has Abe grown up since AE? ._.

Bullet Magnet 11-21-2007 01:04 PM

Hmm? As far as I can tell they are the same size.

Nate 11-21-2007 02:53 PM

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But if Abe will be killed, who will be the leader of the Mudokons? Alf? Big Face? And why there some special bird portals that can turn Abe in the Shrykull? If will the birds die? I think these are some interesting bits and I need answers! Thank you ;)!!!

I suspect that if Abe were killed, Alf and Big Face would not be capable of leading the mudokons. Basically, the entire species would be screwed.

Bullet Magnet 11-21-2007 05:00 PM

Do you think they would be more or less screwed if they let the non-canon Bad-Quarma Abe live rather than surrender him to the Industrialists?

Nate 11-21-2007 09:18 PM

Ha! I'm imagining a Rocky-style training session as Big Face tries to get Bad-Quarma-Abe into shape and fit to be a leader.

abe is now! 11-22-2007 04:12 AM

A question about this argument: if a Mudokon (especially Abe) die and his Quarma (form of birds) is captured by someone, can the birds be turned into the dead Mudokon (excuse me for this "entangled" message, but I don't know how to explain me :)!)?

Wil 11-22-2007 07:49 AM

Maybe particularly powerful Mudokons could capture the birds and resurrect the Mudokons, but I don’t think Industialists would have the ability. What’s more interesting is whether they could capture the birds, keep them apart, and forever keep that Mudokon in limbo. Can the birds individually teleport themselves? If so, this wouldn’t work. Can Mudokons resurrect each other even without the birds being present? Is this how resurrection totems work? What if the birds are killed, one, several, or all of them? Where does the Mudokon’s spirit go then? Do even smaller birds emerge from the dead birds, or maybe something else?

Zerox 11-22-2007 09:58 AM

Though, Max, birds don't seem to come out of all Mudokons, so far we've only seen them arise from Abe's dead corpse (at least in AO and AE). I assume this is something to do with Abe's powers, since birds are also used in the teleporting rings.

Bullet Magnet 11-22-2007 10:02 AM

The different usages of birds in-game, in FMVs, and the different portals of MO confuse me. The lines between game mechanic and spiritual power seems considerably blurred.

Zerox 11-22-2007 10:20 AM

I haven't played MO, and don't know enough about it to see what you mean.

I'd go for the FMVs over game mechanics, since FMVs are less restricted in that aspect, and since Oddworld is more sort of 'movie based' also with movies being in development now rather than games.

Bullet Magnet 11-22-2007 11:05 AM

The thing is, what I first took for being what portals look like outside of the game mechanic, ie, being turned into birds which fly to your destination, is contradicted by the portals in MO, which are based on those in the game. The video "Magic Portal" depicts a blurry switly thing appearing in the air a few feet above the blimp dock of Vykkerz Labs, and the two recently saved scrubs come out, feet first.

abe is now! 11-22-2007 11:31 AM

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Maybe particularly powerful Mudokons could capture the birds and resurrect the Mudokons, but I don’t think Industialists would have the ability. What’s more interesting is whether they could capture the birds, keep them apart, and forever keep that Mudokon in limbo. Can the birds individually teleport themselves? If so, this wouldn’t work. Can Mudokons resurrect each other even without the birds being present? Is this how resurrection totems work? What if the birds are killed, one, several, or all of them? Where does the Mudokon’s spirit go then? Do even smaller birds emerge from the dead birds, or maybe something else?

This is very interesting: about the limbo I can say that the Mudokons can keep the Mudokons with a bad quarma. I think the birds can teleport themselves because in AO and in AE Abe (and Big Face) sometimes teleport themselves to other places. I didn't understand what are the totems. I think if the birds are killed, the spiritual life afterlife is interrupted and so he couldn't revive. I think the spirits of the dead Mudokons go to the Necrum: at the beginning of AE we can see some flying birds in the Necrum. I didn't understand the last question. These are my supposition.

Nate 11-22-2007 02:34 PM

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I'd go for the FMVs over game mechanics, since FMVs are less restricted in that aspect, and since Oddworld is more sort of 'movie based' also with movies being in development now rather than games.

Yes, but even within the FMVs there is inconsistency between the bad ending of AO (where Abe is crushed and there are no birds) and that of AE (where Abe is zapped and there are birds).

OddYouko 11-22-2007 02:52 PM

Here his hands look normel size. In Abe's Oddysee.

And in Munch's Oddysee Abe's hands look a lot bigger..maybe it's just me.

abe is now! 11-25-2007 09:33 AM

What is really "Elum Chubs"? And all the other strange products of Rupture Farms? Why aren't they mentioned in AO and what creatures have been used to product them? And why are they discontinued or not available? I link to the page of Oddworld.com with this products. http://www.oddworld.com/firsttenyears/rf_catalog.shtml

Jordan 11-25-2007 11:55 AM

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What is really "Elum Chubs"? And all the other strange products of Rupture Farms? Why aren't they mentioned in AO and what creatures have been used to product them? And why are they discontinued or not available? I link to the page of Oddworld.com with this products. http://www.oddworld.com/firsttenyears/rf_catalog.shtml

This catalog was a sort of a bonus and it didn't really fit in with the game.
Elum Chubs sort of look like sausages, but made from Elum.

Zerox 11-25-2007 11:56 AM

Elum Chubs are a proper product that fit in with the games. I believe they are similar to sausages.

Wil 11-25-2007 01:45 PM

There’s an Elum Chub poster in the game. Screens R1P18C10 and R2P18C10. It’s more easily visible in the PS demo version, because there isn’t an electric wall generator in the way in that early glimpse of the game. ;)

Bullet Magnet 11-25-2007 02:13 PM

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Here his hands look normel size. In Abe's Oddysee.

And in Munch's Oddysee Abe's hands look a lot bigger..maybe it's just me.

I still can't see it. If anything it is an optical artefact of the redesign.

OddYouko 11-25-2007 05:12 PM

O__o I guess but..maybe he could be older? -shrugs-

Zelda--Fan 11-25-2007 05:17 PM

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O__o I guess but..maybe he could be older? -shrugs-

Mayhap the transfer from 2D to 3D made the devs make his hands larger:fuzconf:

OddYouko 11-25-2007 05:27 PM

No I mean in the clips.

abe is now! 11-26-2007 07:01 AM

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This catalog was a sort of a bonus and it didn't really fit in with the game.
Elum Chubs sort of look like sausages, but made from Elum.

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Elum Chubs are a proper product that fit in with the games. I believe they are similar to sausages.

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There’s an Elum Chub poster in the game. Screens R1P18C10 and R2P18C10. It’s more easily visible in the PS demo version, because there isn’t an electric wall generator in the way in that early glimpse of the game. ;)

Thank you, but does anyone know what are the creatures of the other products? Or only some hints.

alf's brother's mate 11-26-2007 10:34 AM

Q & A's are great. Half of my goon-faced questions are asked here. Ah at last i am not made a complete fool of by the wiser members.

abe is now! 11-28-2007 11:24 AM

I do not understand why when Abe drink the SoulStorm Brew he doesn't fell sick. Why? If this has been asked before, excuse me.

Bullet Magnet 11-28-2007 12:18 PM

He never drinks it (as far as we know) before he received his third scar. Maybe that has something to do with it?

Zerox 11-28-2007 12:45 PM

As well as that, and Abe's 'inherent powers' perhaps it's partly due to the fact he didn't excessively drink it and get drunk. Abe's friends only got ill after they drunk about 20 bottles of brew each. As in the scene where Abe gets his healing abilities, the Mudokons are fine after a couple of drinks "Ooh, that's tasty", but after they start drinking alot, they get sick/drunk/whatever. It takes more than a couple of drinks.

Also, Abe doesn't let the chemicals build up inside him, as these are expelled when he farts (Mudokons fart when healed from brew sickness, expelling toxins) after drinking a brew, so they do not build up to dangerous levels inside him.

OddYouko 11-29-2007 10:49 AM

In MO do you play as both Abe and Munch at the same time or one at a time?

Bullet Magnet 11-29-2007 10:56 AM

They are both in all but a few levels, and you can switch between them at will. While not controlling one he will stand still, unless you command him to follow.

abe is now! 11-29-2007 11:43 AM

It's a really good thing, but in the GBA you can't command to Abe or to Munch to follow you. The gamespeak of Abe talking to Munch and conversely and the movements too. I think there aren't many games with this characteristics. A very good job.

Bullet Magnet 11-29-2007 01:14 PM

It's rendered somewhat obsolete when Abe is able to unceremoniously lift up Munch and carry him underarm anyway.