theres one thing what aint real and thats god he did not create the universe and life on earth as we know it.

Oh dear your grammar is atrocious. And would you care to explain why there couldn't be a God, for all the deeply interested people such as myself?

well we arent the only ones in the universe,telling that we are the only ones is a story for children so they dont wet their beds thinking about alien squids that might eat their brains.

Also i am collecting all valuable information,and physic formulas to see what actually sparked the big bang.
and also if we say that there is nothing behind the universe,than somebody please explain me where did the first matter came to form a dense point to erupt and create our universe.Scientific explenations would be nice....

Rijeka is a weeeeeiiiiiird place.

Rijeka is the best.

in my experience any argument that says the universe can't exist without god can also be used to say that god can't exist without a better god to create him and so on, also any argument that says god can exist without the need for a better god can also be used to say the universe can exist without the need for a god

although I don't think time could have been created, there is literally nothing before time, if there was nothing before it then how could it have been made, I think if god exists he coexisted alongside time and the most he could have done is create matter and form it.

what exactly is wrong with something simply existing, It's quite possable that at the beginning of time the universe simply existed in a state which lead to the big bang, say a hot small and incredinly dense ball of matter and antimatter, if you take the universes estimated matter, make half of it into antimatter and make them colide I'lled bet yould get an explosion similar to the big bang

NO, NOT AGAIN.

It has been suggested that if we knew exactly why MoxCo. said this, we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now.

Oh my yes.

well something humonguous and violent had to create that dense ball,later on black holes filled the universe with matter,they act as factories,as for the big bang seeded the first matter to make big stars to explode and create black holes witch produce matter.
Also if you look at it the universe at the beggining was tightly expanding,and aftherwards it suddenly started expanding fastly,as if it escaped a powerfull gravitational pull of something outside

Thing is we generally don't know Scraby, no scientist is even 50% sure on what caused the Big Bang, there are too many theories and we aren't old enough a race or advanced enough technologically to say with a surmountable amount of assurance. If you aren't a fan of God creating the universe, you could read up on string theory, I hear that explains a little about some of the possibilities but I can't make head nor tail out of most of it.

well we might guess if at the time when there were galaxies,as i looked at the chart the universe was still close by,then suddenly it started expanding fastly outwards,as it was been freed out of somethings gravitational pull....the dense point had to have somekind of energy that created it before it could erupt on its mass just like a star.Also i feel a bit dissapoint that we havent moved our @rses further than the moon and we give out physical laws for space and we didnt even go to mars....

I also find it disappointing how we can write with such vividity and conviction about the use of fish organs without actually being a fish.

The thing is a scientist can hold a fish and cut it open, good luck trying to dissect Andromeda Wings old boy. ;)

No.

Look.

It's called Induction all right? It's the BASIS of science.

You don't NEED to know where everything is at any single moment in order to hypothesize about where it might be.

Maybe it's because I'm tired and experiencing caffeine withdrawal symptoms, but what the hell do fish have to do with any of the aforementioned?

EDIT: Oh right, I see. Jesus I'm slow.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I mean, billions of dollars could be spent on a Mars program, but for what benefit? Seems like an awful waste to me...

And because induction is the basis of science, we have to keep re-writing the books every one hundred years or so. You might not have to know everything but it damn well helps to have a little bit more than basic induction.

Besides, this still doesn't answer the question of the big bang, and unless you're some ethereal being from 13.7 billion years ago, Not science nor religion is going to help you come to terms with what happened back then, not in this century at least.

uh, but we can find out what happened thirteen billion years ago? We just lack the technology.

And my point is that you don't need to have witnessed something yourself to understand it, otherwise no author would ever be able to write dying.

Ah, well I misunderstood you almost entirely then, and I apologise. I'm not suggesting you can't predict anything, just that we are still at a period in time where we can only be too vague in our understanding on the causation of the universe.

If you're not going to do anything extraordinary with civilisation, what's the point of having it? Existence for the purpose of continuing to exist is true for living organisms, but we can choose to aim higher. Why wouldn't we?

yeah. suck his dick.

Eh, it beats an argument.

What are you talking about? Arguments are great. You can't beat that with some cheap acceptance of intellectual diversity as though that were a resolution! Sexual favours notwithstanding.

Yeah but, I don't wanna argue with WoF anymore, it always ends up not argument but just shouting at each other, this makes me sad.

suck his dick some more.

mmm.

Oh I won't argue with anyone on the existence of God. I'm very prepared to accept a metaphysical realm exists beyond our empirical observations and it could contain anything from God to Elaine Belloc for all I care.

And I don't care, really I don't.

BM is the hardline physicalist here, not me.

he's still sucking.

I stopped sucking cock because I generally don't understand what he just said. I need more vodka.

I mean that atheism is to antisocial what I am to asocial. Belief is neither knowledge nor the lack of knowledge. As long as that belief doesn't directly hurt or discriminate against people, or in any way contradict knowledge then I see no problem with it.

I'm gonna try again tomorrow, mate I'm not in a siency sort of trail of though right now.

Well, actually, we do know to a significant level of detail what happened thirteen billion years ago. We can discuss in detail what happened within the first few seconds of the Big Bang occuring. Every new advance in technology and theory simply pushes back the horizon of knowledge a few more milliseconds.

Note the above comment. We know shitloads about how the universe came to be like it is. Of course, we will probably never know what happened in the first instant of its existence, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore everything else that we have discovered.

Can we NOW talk about how Pluto is no longer a planet?

I'm still trying to repress it.

pluto is a planet,well they removed it from the list of planets becouse of its mass... we couldnt just say its an barren rock... also those guys who said that pluto isnt a planet becouse of its orbit is wery wrong,many planets have eliptical orbits,rare are those who are circular.Even earth has orbital eccentricity,but not as noticable as some outer planets.

it's not the ellipticity of the orbit, just how wildly it swings out of place. Pluto is a micro-planet. It has its own fucking title. That's pretty damn cool. Chin up Pluto.

anyone see the luner eclips that happened recently, I only saw the end of it as I fergot it was happening

I saw the sky go red but unfortunately there was a house right in the way of the moon, how was it?

when I saw it the top was shining, the bottom was red and the middle was dark but visible, when it got half finished I could swear there was a blue ring were the shadow met the lighted half, but that could have just been my eyes trying to tell me to go to sleep, I only wish I noticed it when it started

for me it was nicely placed outside my window so I didn't even have to get out of bed :)

*slaps head hard* damn it i forgot about it argh i really wanted to see that :( i already saw one that happened on the summer but i also wanted to film this :(

Run that by me again.