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Havoc 06-28-2011 03:13 PM

People can get all kinds of STD's from all kinds of stuff. Kissing, blowjobs, just rubbing, blood transfer, misuse of medical equipment, you name it.

Or to use a very appropriate quote: Assumption is the mother of all mistakes.

Ridg3 06-28-2011 03:24 PM

So... I should get cling film for my tongue? I agree with what you're saying and appreciate you telling me. I think I should mention, even though I know it only takes the once, that we only ever did that once just to see what the experience was like. After that one time we went back to the condoms and we'll continue to use them.

On the topic, has anyone considered using/uses two+ forms of contraception to be extra sure or simply by coincidence?

Dixanadu 06-28-2011 03:26 PM

Coincidence, yes.

She was on the pill, but I still wore a condom. I wasn't taking any chances.

Ridg3 06-28-2011 03:33 PM

I've already said to my girlfriend that she should consider going on the pill or something, and I would still use condoms if she decides to do so. Although, I'm quite looking forward to these bad boys: Contraceptive pill for men.

I'm also thinking for a vasectomy, I think I've already discussed this with you Dix outside the forums? But yeah, I would like one of those.

Sekto Springs 06-28-2011 03:38 PM

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I'm also thinking for a vasectomy, I think I've already discussed this with you Dix outside the forums? But yeah, I would like one of those.
Me too.
There is a risk of loss of desire though. Though I can't recall if this was a purely mental issue.

Ridg3 06-28-2011 03:43 PM

I've done my research on it and apparently there is no effect on your sex drive. I may actually go to my GP sometime next week and ask about it. I don't think I'll put any sperm on ice either... if I want a kid, I'll adopt one that needs a family.

Havoc 06-28-2011 03:52 PM

My GF absolutely refuses to use any kind of contraceptive that uses hormones, because she doesn't like the idea of that stuff messing with her body. I can respect that, but that also means the inconvenience of a condom.

I've been pondering a vasectomy as well, even though the sheer idea of a needle going anywhere down that area is completely horrifying. It would solve a lot of problems though. Just one snip and you never have to worry about pregnancy again.

Ridg3 06-28-2011 03:58 PM

Well, it could reverse itself but that's pretty damn rare and I'm uncomfortable as well about the whole needle/scissor/scalpel thing but I would still go for it, no questions asked. I'd probably ask for it to be done scalpel free style.

As for the pill, I wouldn't force my girlfriend to take them, I just asked her to consider it and I'd understand if she doesn't want to go on it. Speaking of my girlfriend, I might not even tell her what I've got planned for my vas deferens.

Dixanadu 06-28-2011 04:20 PM

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I'm also thinking for a vasectomy, I think I've already discussed this with you Dix outside the forums? But yeah, I would like one of those.

Yep. I'm thinking of throwing my lot in with you also.

And Sekto, I think the loss of desire thing varies from person to person. My dad had a vasectomy not long after I was born, and he has the sex drive of a 16 year old. So, I don't think there's any long-term complications as far as I'm aware.

Nate 06-28-2011 04:35 PM

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On the topic, has anyone considered using/uses two+ forms of contraception to be extra sure or simply by coincidence?

It's not uncommon for a couple to use both condoms and spermicidal gel. Condoms only have a 98% reliability rate*, after all.

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I've already said to my girlfriend that she should consider going on the pill or something

Wait... you had unprotected sex with her without her being on the pill? What on earth were you thinking?









*Approximately. Varies by brand.

DarkHoodness 06-28-2011 08:53 PM

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Well, I took DarkHoodness' (I think) advice and bumped uglies without a condom

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He was right, using a condom is like putting cling-film around your tongue before eating a tasty meal.

It wasn't advice, I was just complaining about how uncomfortable they are. Yeah of course I'm right with that but it doesn't mean you should do the deed without any contraception at all unless you really do mean to have children. :S Think I'm just repeating what everyone else is saying with that, though.

Goresplatter 06-29-2011 12:10 PM

I'm not using condoms at the moment. In a long-term relationship I don't think it matters too much when you know the rules; she's on the pill, and we stopped using condoms because it's better without and it's cheaper. I suppose I'll start going on the man-pill when that becomes widely distributed, but having been doing it without a condom and with her on the pill for over a year and a half now and having no scares, I trust in the success rate of the pill.

On an unrelated note, how do I talk my girlfriend into a threesome with another girl? Discuss.

Disgruntled Intern 06-29-2011 12:24 PM

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I'm not using condoms at the moment. In a long-term relationship I don't think it matters too much when you know the rules; she's on the pill, and we stopped using condoms because it's better without and it's cheaper. I suppose I'll start going on the man-pill when that becomes widely distributed, but having been doing it without a condom and with her on the pill for over a year and a half now and having no scares, I trust in the success rate of the pill.

On an unrelated note, how do I talk my girlfriend into a threesome with another girl? Discuss.

Threesomes + long term relationship = problematic. The fact that you want to have sex with another girl is already a sign that you're not totally committed to your partner, and she'll take note of that. Anyway, threesomes and relationships are just bad. Eventually feelings wind up getting involved, and someone gets hurt. Then there are trust and jealousy issues, as well as major intimacy boundaries that are being broken. If it was something she was into, or something you really wanted, it seems like one of you should have mentioned it early on, not a year and a half after the fact.

Also, put yourself in her shoes. If she asked you to have a threesome with another man, would you be okay with it? I'm sure you're going to spout off about how it would be 'gay', or how it's different because there would be another penis involved, but the principles are exactly the same.

JennyGenesis 06-29-2011 12:26 PM

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I'm not using condoms at the moment. In a long-term relationship I don't think it matters too much when you know the rules; she's on the pill, and we stopped using condoms because it's better without and it's cheaper. I suppose I'll start going on the man-pill when that becomes widely distributed, but having been doing it without a condom and with her on the pill for over a year and a half now and having no scares, I trust in the success rate of the pill.

On an unrelated note, how do I talk my girlfriend into a threesome with another girl? Discuss.

In my experience (just the one time, not with a girl obviously) they are very easy to do in a relationship. Just ask, though I will be honest. I did already arange things with the other guy before I actually asked "Would you like a threesome?" Lucky for me the answer was yes.

T-nex 06-29-2011 12:39 PM

@DI

Actually I think that to say that threesomes and relationships are problematic is unfair. Maybe for the majority it's problematic because most people don't know what on earth they are doing, or they are strictly monogamous. But if a relationship has enough openness and trust and good communication it can work. Different kinks for different people, right?
What about those swingers? They seem to be enjoying themselves a lot. In fact I've heard about many relationships where it seems to work.
I think me and Chris had a sort of kind of threesome once, but I dunno if it counts. It was a bit weird. But we never felt bad about it. I enjoyed it.

So to say that there's one truth and one truth only regarding relationships(Im not saying you said this) is wrong. But some people are strictly monogamous, while others feel good and able to play with more partners. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with either scenario as long as people enjoy themselves and aren't having problems out of it.

But maybe Im not one to talk considering im quite unconventional x_x


Edit: Yet again, I said too much, didn't I? :D

Goresplatter 06-29-2011 12:41 PM

Good points all.

To clarify a few things, if she asked me for a threesome, honestly I wouldn't be offended, but perhaps a little curious as to why. I've mentioned to her since we started going out that a threesome would be ace, and that's almost three years ago now. She agreed that it would be better with an extra girl rather than a guy, and assured me that I could probably handle two women (which was LOL, by the way :p). Main question here is, how would you go about asking?

By the way, there are no trust issues. It's purely curiosity which drives this desire.

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But if a relationship has enough openness and trust and good communication it can work.

That's what I mean, our relationship is very trusting and open, I think it would be under wraps.

However, T-nex, I'm curious as to what a 'sort of kind of threesome' encompasses. It's an incredibly vague summary. :p

JennyGenesis 06-29-2011 12:51 PM

I suggest that if you do ask, try it when shes horny or a situation like that (I did) Doesn't seem like a good idea just to walk up to her when shes watching tv and saying "Would you like a threesome?"

T-nex 06-29-2011 12:54 PM

But goresplatter, what kind of threesome would you be willing to have?
What if you ask her for a threesome and she says: YES! Sounds like a GREAT idea! Who will the other guy be??

Goresplatter 06-29-2011 12:54 PM

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I suggest that if you do ask, try it when shes horny or a situation like that (I did) Doesn't seem like a good idea just to walk up to her when shes watching tv and saying "Would you like a threesome?"

The image of that last scenario amuses me so much that I might have to do it. Look at what you've done now! :D

But yes you do have a very good point. I may perhaps try it soon...

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But goresplatter, what kind of threesome would you be willing to have?
What if you ask her for a threesome and she says: YES! Sounds like a GREAT idea! Who will the other guy be??

Obvious preference is a second girl, but honestly, I think she shares that preference. She occasionally tells me of girls she finds sexy, which I often agree to. Most often celebrities, but still. :p

If a two guy threesome was suggested, I have no idea. No question about it if it was someone like Johnny Depp, heheh. Probably depends on why and how, and whether I'd get my preference as sexual payment (we all know this exists, don't deny it). I do, however, refer you to this song;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi7gwX7rjOw

Havoc 06-29-2011 01:04 PM

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Threesomes + long term relationship = problematic. The fact that you want to have sex with another girl is already a sign that you're not totally committed to your partner, and she'll take note of that.

In my opinion humans have never been and never will be monogamous, no matter how much people try to pretend that they are. Every person, male or female, looks at the sex they are attracted to no matter if they are in relationship. And especially a lot of males would jump at the opportunity to have sex with a woman they have been eyeing for a while, if their partner gave them sincere permission.

Luckily I'm in a relationship where we both realize that we simply like looking at other people as well. So she's allowed to look, flirt and have sex with others and at the same time so am I. That doesn't mean we don't love each other. We love each other immensely and our sex live is much above average. We're not lacking anything except the 'thrill of the hunt' as it were.

So for us a threesome would work (in fact, we're looking for a female participant but for some reason those are surprisingly hard to find). But a relationship like that does require an open mindset that not a lot of people (want to) have. And if it's not for you, it's not for you. Like T-nex said; different kinks, different people.

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I think me and Chris had a sort of kind of threesome once
How do you have a sort of kind of threesome? Details, woman!

Ridg3 06-29-2011 01:08 PM

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How do you have a sort of kind of threesome? Details, woman!

This.

Goresplatter 06-29-2011 01:11 PM

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How do you have a sort of kind of threesome? Details, woman!

This. Just noticed you avoided my question. :p

Bullet Magnet 06-29-2011 01:17 PM

You should stick to your twosomes and be grateful for it.

T-nex 06-29-2011 01:18 PM

To be fair, some people ARE strictly monogamous, and do not function well with a polyamorous person. This can be both guys or girls. And no, not all guys get off on their gf doing it with another girl. If one acknowledges the polyamorous side of things, they must acknowledge monogamy too.

Also no details for YOU mistah.... Some things are better left for imagination!... wait.. no. Dont.

Edit: BM, people should stick to what makes them happy.

Goresplatter 06-29-2011 01:25 PM

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Also no details for YOU mistah.... Some things are better left for imagination!... wait.. no. Dont.

Then I shall proceed to assume the worst, for sheer amusement. :p

Perhaps it was only 'sort of' a threesome, because the other participant was, in fact, dead? Yes, that is the ONLY possibility! You must be sick! ;)

Disgruntled Intern 06-29-2011 01:31 PM

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In my opinion humans have never been and never will be monogamous, no matter how much people try to pretend that they are. Every person, male or female, looks at the sex they are attracted to no matter if they are in relationship. And especially a lot of males would jump at the opportunity to have sex with a woman they have been eyeing for a while, if their partner gave them sincere permission.

This sort of attitude is exactly why so many men have had to fight to assure their partners that they're dedicated to them. Do I find other women attractive or aesthetically pleasing? Sure, human nature. Would I 'jump at the opportunity to have sex with a woman' if Dorian gave me permission? Fuck no. Why? Because it defeats the purpose of being in a committed relationship, and more importantly, being married to her. I guess this is just where my old fashioned morals come into play, but the idea of 'open relationships' just seem fucking stupid and selfish to me. I mean it's basically one person settling for less so that they can go out and chase tail to their hearts content and maybe bag someone who's way out of their league [but would never date them in the first place], but it's okay, because you have your 'open relationship' to go back to, so you're never really alone. Meh. If it works for you guys, awesome, be happy. But I've had friends who have done and are doing the same thing, and they always seem inherently lonely to me, even when they're in a relationship with someone else.

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@DI

Actually I think that to say that threesomes and relationships are problematic is unfair. Maybe for the majority it's problematic because most people don't know what on earth they are doing, or they are strictly monogamous. But if a relationship has enough openness and trust and good communication it can work. Different kinks for different people, right?
What about those swingers? They seem to be enjoying themselves a lot. In fact I've heard about many relationships where it seems to work.
I think me and Chris had a sort of kind of threesome once, but I dunno if it counts. It was a bit weird. But we never felt bad about it. I enjoyed it.

So to say that there's one truth and one truth only regarding relationships(Im not saying you said this) is wrong. But some people are strictly monogamous, while others feel good and able to play with more partners. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with either scenario as long as people enjoy themselves and aren't having problems out of it.

But maybe Im not one to talk considering im quite unconventional x_x


Edit: Yet again, I said too much, didn't I? :D

My original comment was meant to state that threesomes and committed relationships, which in my mind are monogamous, don't mix. No matter how hard you try to explain it to me I'll never understand how committed you can be to someone if you're cool with them having sex with another person. A casual relationship? Fine, been there, done that. But to say you love a person, and pat them on the back as they're on the way out the door to go have sex with another person? Utterly foreign to me.

Swingers are a breed of their own. I think boredom is a huge factor there, but that's my own personal opinion.

JennyGenesis 06-29-2011 01:36 PM

When my boyfriend was here then we would not sleep with others unless it was a threesome (which hasent happened, yes my post did say I aranged one but things got in the way)

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My original comment was meant to state that threesomes and committed relationships, which in my mind are monogamous, don't mix. No matter how hard you try to explain it to me I'll never understand how committed you can be to someone if you're cool with them having sex with another person. A casual relationship? Fine, been there, done that. But to say you love a person, and pat them on the back as they're on the way out the door to go have sex with another person? Utterly foreign to me.


Now he's away for the summer. We have given each other permission to go off for some fun, but whether we choose to actually do that is another thing, so far we haven't. If he does then I won't mind, because I know it will just be a one off and that he still loves me.

T-nex 06-29-2011 01:41 PM

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This sort of attitude is exactly why so many men have had to fight to assure their partners that they're dedicated to them. Do I find other women attractive or aesthetically pleasing? Sure, human nature. Would I 'jump at the opportunity to have sex with a woman' if Dorian gave me permission? Fuck no. Why? Because it defeats the purpose of being in a committed relationship, and more importantly, being married to her. I guess this is just where my old fashioned morals come into play, but the idea of 'open relationships' just seem fucking stupid and selfish to me. I mean it's basically one person settling for less so that they can go out and chase tail to their hearts content and maybe bag someone who's way out of their league [but would never date them in the first place], but it's okay, because you have your 'open relationship' to go back to, so you're never really alone. Meh. If it works for you guys, awesome, be happy. But I've had friends who have done and are doing the same thing, and they always seem inherently lonely to me, even when they're in a relationship with someone else.



My original comment was meant to state that threesomes and committed relationships, which in my mind are monogamous, don't mix. No matter how hard you try to explain it to me I'll never understand how committed you can be to someone if you're cool with them having sex with another person. A casual relationship? Fine, been there, done that. But to say you love a person, and pat them on the back as they're on the way out the door to go have sex with another person? Utterly foreign to me.

Swingers are a breed of their own. I think boredom is a huge factor there, but that's my own personal opinion.

But just because you don't understand something doesn't make it true. It's true that for you, such a dynamic would never work, and people should respect that. But in return you should also be open to the fact that other people have a completely different mindset.
So that means that for YOU threesomes wouldn't work. But for others it adds great pleasure and excitement to their life. Maybe it is boredom, but different people have different likes and dislike. And some people like experimenting sexually. Meaning, if they dont get the sexual exploration they so desire, they might actually get bored.
Nothing wrong with monogamous, or poly people in my opinion. none at all.

And, telling you this is probably going to lower your opinion of me and my relationship. But I was the one who initially encouraged Chris to experiment with other people if he desired. Personally I find it quite hot, and despite everything, I know we have a deep bond that is impenetrable. I know this from the bottom of my heart.

So there you have an example of how people can be totally different, and still function.

I just ask that you be open minded and realize that people get happiness and pleasure from different things. And what might not work for one person, might be gold for the other.

Jordan 06-29-2011 01:43 PM

I'm gonna agree with DI. I see little point in letting your partner go off to sleep with someone else. I'd want to have my partner all to myself, and I'd be extremely happy with that. I have a lot more to say on this matter, but I've expressed it on another site a few times and I'm tired of repeating myself.

T-nex 06-29-2011 01:43 PM

Yes Jordan, but because you are happy that way, doesn't mean everyone is.

Ridg3 06-29-2011 01:45 PM

If my missus suggested (during a period we're apart) that it's okay to see other people, I would go ape-shit insane with her. I would automatically think that she's been doing the dirty on me and feeling so guilty about it she suggests that I could go and defile someone else. I think for someone to suggest that to you they're already thinking about hooking up with someone else in the first place and just looking for your say so by saying that you're allowed to sleep with other people as well.

I'm with DI on this one. What's the point in being in a relationship if you're going in it with the intention of having sex with someone else down the line. Open-relationships are alien to me, and I never liked the sound of it. It would be situations like that where I would either get really possessive or really spiteful and that isn't good chemistry for a healthy relationship. In my own opinion.

Jordan 06-29-2011 01:47 PM

I'm not condemning other people for doing it. I don't understand it, but if it makes them happy then so be it. I'm sorry if I came across as a twat there.

I wouldn't like it if I had a partner that proposed an open relationship. >_<

Wings of Fire 06-29-2011 01:49 PM

I think there's something to be said for suddenly turning round to your partner and saying 'How about threesomes then?'

It's subverting the premises a commited relationship is built on. If you want an open relationship then anything less than letting your partner know about it before or as soon as you get into a relationship is like changing the rules of a game halfway through.

AKA: Cheating.

T-nex 06-29-2011 01:50 PM

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If my missus suggested (during a period we're apart) that it's okay to see other people, I would go ape-shit insane with her. I would automatically think that she's been doing the dirty on me and feeling so guilty about it she suggests that I could go and defile someone else. I think for someone to suggest that to you they're already thinking about hooking up with someone else in the first place and just looking for your say so by saying that you're allowed to sleep with other people as well.

Well I can tell you in my case, this wasn't true, and that wasn't the reason I suggested it to Chris. :)

JennyGenesis 06-29-2011 01:51 PM

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I think there's something to be said for suddenly turning round to your partner and saying 'How about threesomes then?'

How else do you do it then?

I only asked because it's something I've never done before and I want to try. If I was told no then I wouldn't ask again. But it's always nice to know whether your partner would be up for it.

Wings of Fire 06-29-2011 01:54 PM

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How else do you do it then?

Well I'm currently in an open relationship and the subject of the openess of said relationship was brought up by my boyfriend and I whilst we were both coming together.

There's very little you can do to not make a request for a threesome sound like 'I'm growing disinterested in you' and girls take that very very badly.

Ridg3 06-29-2011 01:54 PM

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Well I can tell you in my case, this wasn't true, and that wasn't the reason I suggested it to Chris. :)

Oh, this is just what I would think if someone suggested it to me. I know that there is people that do it and are happy with it... like yourself. I would just be terribly offended if I was offered it.

Jordan 06-29-2011 01:54 PM

Bring a lady or a gentleman into the bedroom and throw them at your partner. See how things go from there ;)

T-nex 06-29-2011 02:06 PM

I wanna throw gentlemen at people :( That'd be fun. Like... Pillow-fight style.

Disgruntled Intern 06-29-2011 03:04 PM

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Threesomes + long term relationship = problematic. The fact that you want to have sex with another girl is already a sign that you're not totally committed to your partner, and she'll take note of that. Anyway, threesomes and relationships are just bad. Eventually feelings wind up getting involved, and someone gets hurt. Then there are trust and jealousy issues, as well as major intimacy boundaries that are being broken. If it was something she was into, or something you really wanted, it seems like one of you should have mentioned it early on, not a year and a half after the fact.

Also, put yourself in her shoes. If she asked you to have a threesome with another man, would you be okay with it? I'm sure you're going to spout off about how it would be 'gay', or how it's different because there would be another penis involved, but the principles are exactly the same.

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I think there's something to be said for suddenly turning round to your partner and saying 'How about threesomes then?'

It's subverting the premises a commited relationship is built on. If you want an open relationship then anything less than letting your partner know about it before or as soon as you get into a relationship is like changing the rules of a game halfway through.

AKA: Cheating.

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Well I'm currently in an open relationship and the subject of the openess of said relationship was brought up by my boyfriend and I whilst we were both coming together.

There's very little you can do to not make a request for a threesome sound like 'I'm growing disinterested in you' and girls take that very very badly.

WoF always manages to find a nicer way of saying what I was trying to say. Thanks/God Damn you for that.


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But just because you don't understand something doesn't make it true. It's true that for you, such a dynamic would never work, and people should respect that. But in return you should also be open to the fact that other people have a completely different mindset.
So that means that for YOU threesomes wouldn't work. But for others it adds great pleasure and excitement to their life. Maybe it is boredom, but different people have different likes and dislike. And some people like experimenting sexually. Meaning, if they dont get the sexual exploration they so desire, they might actually get bored.
Nothing wrong with monogamous, or poly people in my opinion. none at all.

And, telling you this is probably going to lower your opinion of me and my relationship. But I was the one who initially encouraged Chris to experiment with other people if he desired. Personally I find it quite hot, and despite everything, I know we have a deep bond that is impenetrable. I know this from the bottom of my heart.

So there you have an example of how people can be totally different, and still function.

I just ask that you be open minded and realize that people get happiness and pleasure from different things. And what might not work for one person, might be gold for the other.


Haha, 'lower my opinion' of your relationship? I don't care about your relationship. I wasn't trying to personally attack what you and Chris may or may not do, but as per usual, you've found a way to take what I've said personally. Let me make something clear: I really don't give a fuck what any of you do with your lives. As long as you're not abusing children or animals, have fun. Okay?

Anyway, something you said seemed pretty contradictory : "Maybe it is boredom, but different people have different likes and dislike. And some people like experimenting sexually. Meaning, if they dont get the sexual exploration they so desire, they might actually get bored. "

Okay, wait. I'm all for sexual exploration and figuring out what defines you as a sexual being, blah blah. But to bring another person, a person you're committed to, into that exploration, isn't always fair. Is it fun? Sure. But what happens when one person likes something, or someone, more than the other partner? Someones feelings get hurt, and someone will get left in the dust. Exploration and definition should be done casually and early on, not in the midst of a relationship where another persons feelings are potentially at stake. And boredom? Really? If boredom is the deciding factor for a couple having a threesome, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN A RELATIONSHIP. If you're so fucking bored with the person you're with that you need to bring another body into the mix, why are you wasting each others time? Again, it seems selfish.

So you can say that I'm being condemning. I don't care what you want to call it. I don't think threesomes are wrong, and I applaud and encourage people to explore their sexuality. However, I wish they would all do so in a manner that poses no risk to anyone else. Ideally, this would be outside of a relationship.

But whatever, agree to disagree.