It's funny because you disagree but you're fundamentally wrong. Your opinion is incorrect, sir.

No, this series has actually been dire. I love this Doctor, I love the subtler visual and plot themes, but I hope I never again have to endure all but about three of these episodes.

^^^

I've stuck with DW through a lot of Moffat's shitty time as head writer, but this series is the first one that I've completely lost the desire to watch. It's become a poorly written drama show, and that bores the hell out of me. I'm going to see the series through now because cybermen, but I honestly don't know if I have any desire to watch anything more until they geta new head writer in.

The current doctor saves the episodes from being total shite. But only just. I found most of the episodes decent enough to watch once but others have been awful.

The kid ruined the last episode. The premise was good and the visuals of London in a forest were really nice. But jesus the kids got on my nerves. Is this Moffat's way to tell the audience "Doctor Who is a kids show! We have kids and everything!"

I think it's time for a new head writer. Moffat is clearly not up for the job. Sometimes he has a little spot of genius with the Empty Child and the Weeping Angels. But most of the time, it's all just poorly written.

You really need to work on your argument skills Nep.

No I don't actually mate.

No you actually do because it's very boring to read and a back and forth of 'You're wrong' 'No, you're wrong!' is basically spam and by basically spam I mean actually spam.

Stop actually spamming you basic bitch.

Maybe if I had said "no m8 actully i dont innit" you would have understood that I was being sarcastic these last two posts. That's my thing, remember?

Also, I like Cybermen.

IT'S OK GUYS HE WAS BEING SARCASTIC AND IT'S HIS THING SO IT WASN'T SPAM CALM DOWN EVERYONE

Haha Phy.

After Smith's last three seasons I've lost so much interest in Doctor Who but with Capaldi and, in my opinion, several well written episodes, this season has reignited my love for DW.

I loved all the episodes except for the shitty Moffat 'Deep Breath' premiere episode, oh, and 'Robot of Sherwood' and 'In the Forest of the Night' didn't have very strong writing.

I actually liked the story of 'Kill the Moon' but the acting, weird sound effects, and the whole space/sound/oxygen thing annoyed me.

Not gonna speculate about tomorrows episode. Don't like watching the 'next week' 'cause I like to be surprised :)

There's Cybermen. I also pretty much agree, except I liked Deep Breath, too, although Strax and Vastra became stale a long time ago.
See guys, Phy gets it.

I just watched the last episode and it was fucking dumb, but I kind of enjoyed it any way...

/

I stopped reading a few sentences in because I haven't seen the new episode and I'm assuming it's an extract from that? If so, it sounds quite retarded.

It's some of the leaked script from the last episode.

Fucking hilarious.

Also holy shit that was a legitamately good episode, the finale. I loved the nod to The Invasion.

Ooh, really? Now I am excite. It's funny because they basically already retold The Invasion in series 2.

Well Dark Waters was the shittiest shitter of an episode to ever grace my eyes.

First and foremost, how was Missy actually getting the dead bodies? It's one thing to "upload" their consciousness (which I'll bet money isn't going to get any better explained), but then the bodies are just magically there even though they aren't??????????? Honestly, I don't see why there wasn't some thing about dead bodies disappearing. Then we could have had an actual premise to the episode, and piqued The Doctor's interest from the start without that fucking volcano scene.

Seriously did anyone else feel like that volcano scene was just a huge middle finger? That was the most interesting thing to happen on the show in ages, and it was all a dream.

Basically, too much of Clara and Danny and not enough explaining what was actually going on, as per usual. The only hint we have at a motive is Missy's big reveal, which we can assume only means CONQUER EARTH, again. Yawn. At least I'm compelled to watch next week's ep in hope of getting some closure, or even just some things better explained. BAD DOUBLE EPISODE PACING CLIFFHANGER DEPLOY!

Also inb4 Danny saves the day because he stops being a cyberman because love. I'm basically groaning already.

Why was Clara's apartment littered with sticky notes as though she'd been some detective work/conspiracy theorizing she wanted to run past Danny? Will that be explained? Why wasn't her growing wall of sticky the plot arc instead By the way, Missy still exists?

Why did the Doctor decide to find the afterlife, and then later scoff at the idea? Did he already have an idea 3W was up to something, and he used Clara as an excuse and means to investigate? That would make sense. Wish they could have set up his suspicions across the series. I guess they kind of did, thematically, with his repeated allusions to the audience being monsters, then showing Missy to be a kind of audience. But do you think that will be explained or even alluded to, or just left alone to make way for more tedious explanation?

I think the Doctor is still curious about the woman in the shop and the Promised Land. I think he's been slowly coming up with theories, and he's been using Clara this whole time. Maybe that's what Clara was cottoning on to. Maybe. I'm torn between thinking these are clever ideas that may still be revealed, and thinking these are obvious ideas that are being ignored by the writers. It's annoying. I want the good ideas to come out, but they're caked in so much trite that maybe we should just stand back and wait for someone else to fish them out.

How was Missy capturing people in Victorian London and whatever time in the distant future Into the Dalek takes place, but her plan is coming to fruition in 2016? Why have all the robots been looking for the Promised Land? Why does every script include the brain-cackingly awful line "That's a thing"?

RTD wrote shit finales, but at least you actually knew what was up by the end of the first episode.

Remember when RTD told a story about people thinking death wasn't the end but it turned out to be a Cyberman invasion?

So I just watched Dark Water. Ugh.

Okay. I didn't find it unwatchable by any means. But by god it was all over the place.
The idea of upgrading and uploading the dead to Cybermen was so fucking obvious. I was honestly expecting a massive twist which would throw me off. But no. Of course not.

It was a huge risk tackling the idea of the Afterlife and Heaven. I'm sure people will be in a uproar about it eventually. "Hey kids! When you die! You get downloaded into a Time Lord hard Drive"

Also they really went with the safe choice with Missy being The Master... They had so perfectly in place for it to be Rani or some other Time Lord. It would of been so interesting and unexpected seeing her come back. Somehow. Stranger things have happened.

Whatever. I do want to watch part 2, but I feel it's going to be one of those underwhelming finales where Danny gets saved, the Cybermen are destroyed, Missy is defeated/or Flees, and everything is back to normal. I just want one big twist or something...

YES. That was one of the best scenes in Doctor who for a very long and it was all just a fucking dream...

Your killing me Dr Who.

I've just finished watching the previous two episodes at the time of writing this and the forest one was terrible. I hated children in Doctor Who before, and I hated them in In the Forest of the Night. I understand that they're trying to appeal to a younger generation and by having so many children interact with the doctor it leaves an impressionable mind open to the belief that something amazingly similar might happen to them, but they're doing it wrong. The way they did it with young Amy Pond was right.

"How do we find 'x'?"
How do we find a screwdriver to correctly perform a transnasal craniotomy to escape that stupid cutaway.

As for Dark Water the only thing keeping me going throughout the episode was the promise of cybermen and even that flopped. I feel like the last thing a person who's partner just passed away due to being hit by a car, is stand in the middle of the road. Though maybe the wall of post-it notes somehow told her the clusterfuck of events that were about to happen and she decided to end it right there. Clara going against the Doctor was the best part of the episode, and one of the best scenes in the series so far.

Oh and I'm pretty sure I had an aneurysm at the Steve Jobs line.

People did get upset, but specifically with the idea that cremated people feel the pain.

I don't really know what that would have added, except the need for even more damn explanation next week for those who didn't watch the original series.

Inside word is that there is a twist and nothing is as it seems. I shrug at this. Until something actually happens or anyone's motivations are explained (yay), there's not really all that much to twist.

It doesn't matter that it was a dream. What's important is that Clara did what she did believing she was doing that. She's a control freak and she doesn't behave when she doesn't get what she wants. When the Doctor wouldn't help her decide what to do with the Moon, she flipped out. When she played the part of The Doctor in Flatline, the Doctor was worried by how well she did. Clara is a reflection of the Doctor's less admirable traits.

And then it never effects what they actually do, so yeah it might as well be a dream. Someone else's dream. Maybe Moffat's smug fanfic dream.

I do like Clara's morally ambiguous character development. She's effectively a user, a liar and a bit narcissistic...it's a pretty nice departure from the usual two dimensional companion.

I was sort of hoping Missi would be the Doctor's grand-daughter who had for whatever reason been corrupted over the centuries, now that would have been a mind fuck.

Also I fucking love the Cybermen, I pretty much only watch Dr Who for them these days, but I was so disappointed that despite their re-design, they've been given that same steam-clunk sounding walk. I thought they were supposed to be constantly upgrading and all that, surely they would have realised a while ago that yes, noisy fucking walking is ominous but it's really not great in terms of combat...

I dunno, fuck Moffat, or something.

EDIT: The following post is structured like a heaping pile of shit. You have been warned.

Okay I haven't read any of you guys' posts because I've just started watching the episode. I'll do a live reaction sort of thing.

What's with all the post-it notes, and why is she acting like a 14 year old? Everybody knows that at that age you're going to have at least a few more relationships.
Ohhh shit. Danny got ran over. Oh well, it's not like he won't come back later on in the episode or next episode like every other slightly significant character from Moffat's era.
Also, how did she not hear him being PLOWED BY A CAR?

The nan's changed her tune. When she goes on holidays to Benidorm she's a right nasty bastard, now for some reason she's being all sympathetic.

I'm bored of this now.

E: Okay, those few seconds before the intro were actually pretty fucking cool.

E2: He can open the TARDIS doors with a click of his fingers, why do keys even matter anymore?

E3: The Doctor just told Clara to go to hell? I'm really liking this episode already. I hope there's no Moffat soppyness and they don't rekindle their relationship, it would be much more effective that way.
Who am I kidding, of course they'll be fine by the end of the episode. GDI, Moffat.

E4: Oh. Well that was disappointing. Thanks, Oba- Moffat.

E5: Exoskeletons that are invisible in the water? CYBERMEN, PER CHANCE? Could they make it any more obvious? Probably not, but it's cool nonetheless.

E6: Oh god, I knew there was going to be a callback to The Invasion but i didn't expect it to be as awesome as that.

Okay, that episode was awesome. What I'm wondering is what Clara initially wanted to say to Danny at the start of the episode.

Honestly I can forgive the fact that they probably won't explain how they uploaded the consciousnesses, because Doctor Who has always been about stretching science as far as it will go and making it as ridiculous as possible. It feels like anythings possible as long as they give some semi-scientific explanation.
And in terms of them getting the bodies, I assume/hope that will be explained in the next part.

I sort of agree, but at the same time it didn't bother me that much because I know that to Clara, she legitimately did those things. Of course, there were no consequences but it was definitely interesting seen the conflict between the two characters and knowing that she'd just betray him like that. Bitch.
I think they'll give some explanation as opposed to just leaving it as they did. As soon as the Doctor said he was going to find the afterlife I knew something was up. He's the Doctor, of course he knows there's no afterlife. I'm betting he had a plan from the start so hopefully it gets explained in an interesting way. That's the thing though, Moffat always sets up loads of really interesting questions and then half-arses the answers, leaving us insanely underwhelmed.
Again, I'm assuming these will be answered so using them as criticism against the episodes doesn't really make sense. [I]Yet/I].

Honestly I know a few people who say that so it doesn't bother me that much. Clara's "I'm such a feisty badass" approach to everything does, however.
They were shit, but the were fun as fuck to watch, which is what I thought of this one. The same cannot be said for series 6 or 7. Honestly I'm pretty sure I know what's up. A ridiculously over complicated Cyber plot to invade Earth. Again. I'm okay with that though, I was genuinely interested.
I completely agree, but in all honesty, I don't really give a fuck if it means getting a genuinely fun and exciting finale. We haven't had one for 6 fucking years.
Why shouldn't the tackle it? Is that a genuine criticism you have of the episode? Because that's pretty weak.
This is Doctor Who. At the end of the day everything does have to be returned to normal. That's how it's been since the beginning.
We haven't had a genuinely good series since 2008 (or arguably 2010) and it's only now when the shows managing to get somewhat of a leg-up you have a problem with it?
It also made her completely unlikable for me. Seriously, what a bitch. Was an awesome scene, though.
Don't be a grumpy bastard, it was a pretty funny line. At least they don't have clown music and trombones to tell us when something's funny like they did in 6 and 7.
I loved that bit, because when Doctor Who goes dark they go super dark, and I love every minute of it.
Pretty much. There just wouldn't be much point, especially after they've spent so long setting up the relationships with The Master in the new series. Also: http://www.blastr.com/2012/08/steven...xplains_wh.php

Sad to see John Simm go, though. He was an excellent take on The Master.
Yeah, this is pretty much my opinion of that scene.
She's an unlikable bitch, but that's way better than the unlikable cardboard cutout. In that sense, I love her. She's gone from the worst written companion in the show's history to one of the best.
Oh god, me too. Then I was worried because grody incestuous snog.
Maybe these are earlier models than the ones from series 7. Either way, I agree. They were a step down, but they were still awesome fucking Cybermen.

In summary, I have a little faith that Moffat will explain the plot-holes, and if not, it was still a fun fucking ride. Mmm, very series 4-esque.
Apart from the shitty pacing, that is. RTD would write 2/3 episodes with an overarching plot, where as Moffat just writes one regular episode and drags it out into multiple ones, that's what I've noticed.

No it's not a criticism toward the episode. It was a interesting topic to look at. All I was saying that it was a risky subject matter for any show to tackle. And it could of made all sorts of trouble.

It's the same with bringing up the idea of God and religions as a whole in a sci-fi show.

It did. It seems Moffat doesn't know his audience, at all. Just compare the Forest epiosde to Dark Waters, and they were next to each other. Like I said though, it didn't bother me because I like it when the show goes into dark places, and if people honestly got pissed over that then they need to stay off Tumblr for a day and grow a pair of bollocks.
I agree about that second part, though. It's 2014, how is religion not obsolete yet?

People being alive after death is the least dark thing ever. Turning dead bodies into Cybermen, on the other hand, is dark. Oh wait, we totally skimmed over the part where that actually happens. Oops.

I'll pay that feeling pain after death is kind of grim, if nonsensical and TOTALLY UNEXPLAINED.

That's because they didn't go anywhere with it. It was entirely pointless and just another excuse for Moffat to go "hay gaiz it's not just for kids see how dark we are".

It was pretty dark though. I'm surprised for Doctor Who to go that far honestly. The idea of feeling everything after death is pretty darn scary.

Here's my breakdown of the finale.

First 30 minutes - nothing really happened here. The Doctor was on a plane, but he didn't actually do anything. The scenes with Missy on the plane were all needlessly prolonged and served no purpose except to raise more questions. How did the guards STANDING BEHIND HER no notice that she'd taken her cuffs off? Also, why was it so important that she kept Clara and The Doctor together? They hinted at some greater purpose for so long and then threw it all away in a few lines of dialogue? What the fuck?

Middle 15 minutes - dissatisfying and confusing climax. Again, The Doctor didn't really do anything here. Missy talked a lot, and Danny gave a rousing speech to a bunch of mindless drones that would do exactly as he told them anyway. In fact, he was one of the mindless drones, but that didn't matter because love. What useless lump of a writer decided that exploding cybermen would be a satisfying way to get rid of a problem caused by exploding cybermen???

The rest - no words. Moffat has said he doesn't want to bring that female timelord back because it's an old reference, but he's more than happy to keep beating the dead horse with the UNIT guy? It's actually comedic that The Doctor had the one moment he was actually about to do something snatched away from him. They rushed the scene with Danny talking from the afterlife (or something? I blinked and missed the explanation) so much. It's like they remembered that they needed to conclude his story with that kid, and forced it into 2 minutes. "Oh, the Doctor said that you could..." was the biggest motherfucking copout after a 2 weeks later that I've ever seen. The very end was dumb, too, but it might mean we're done with Clara so thank fuck.

Additional things that bothered me:
- Missy may or may not have had a TARDIS????
- The Timelords coming back is no longer an issue????
- CyberDanny took Clara to a cemetery because ????
- Still no mention of the post-it notes from the start????

Thank fuck this season is over. I think I'm done with this show.