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lindsey 01-30-2004 09:51 AM

Im going with CG much more realistic looking and theres no limits.

Fez 01-30-2004 10:02 AM

wow! death can do everything! next he'll be saying he can snowboard!

oddguy 01-30-2004 10:45 AM

Quiet you! Maybe he can snowboard. Ya never know.

-oddguy :fuzcool:

Codek 01-30-2004 11:34 AM

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Quiet you! Maybe he can snowboard. Ya never know.

-oddguy :fuzcool:

Yeah I can actually. I got lessons back in 2002.

I don't own a snowboard yet but I plan on getting one. But ferill, what exactly are you trying to imply?

Fez 01-30-2004 11:36 AM

i dont know alot of people apart from me and you who can snowboard. thats all. I didnt mean any offence.

Codek 01-30-2004 11:56 AM

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i dont know alot of people apart from me and you who can snowboard. thats all. I didnt mean any offence.

Oh, cool. Where do you board? IE where is your nearest drypiste?

paramiteabe 01-30-2004 03:03 PM

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Untidy? Those pictures are of my desk when it is tidy! When it's untidy you can't see the desk. It gets completely coated in model parts from my bits-box.

I'd really like a proper workshop. A shelf full of model kits so I have lots of spare parts, a nice big, open desk area, a set of rulers and set squares, and a display case for all the finished models. Oh and lots of storage space for the paints, glues, varnish and so on.

And yes, those models are made from my own illustrations. The first stage starts off in the sketch pad, then it moves up to accurate freehand drawing where the dimensions are decided, then it goes onto graph paper, and from there I make scale drawings of each part. The parts are then cut off from the sheet of plastic, trimmed, sanded, filed, and then glued on the model. Once the model is completed, I start to think about what kind of finish I want to give it in terms of textured plastic, and from there it moves on to a plastic coating that covers up any blemishes on the plastic work. Then the model gets put in a vacuform moulding machine, where an exact replica is made. The replica gets tested with one or two different paint schemes until I am happy with the look, then the replica gets sold and shipped to the customer.

I ment untidy in the sense of haveing a lot of art stuff laid out and trying to find room to put this equipment. I have a similar problem I just need a shelf and I am set. Anyway thats cool that you snowboard. There are some cool slopes in my area probabaly nothing compared to where you are.

But they are decient. And Oddguy I wouldn't worry about haveing what you have because in time if you stick with what your doing you too will acumulate art stuff that will eventually grow into a mini studio.

When I started I dident even have an art table. I just had computer paper whatever I found and normal pencils. And then one year I got a drawing table the kind with the light and thats when I really got into it and now its become a mini studio. Trust me it will grow into a mini studio because thats what generally happens as you get more and more professional at what you do.

Sekto Springs 01-30-2004 03:35 PM

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I hate to tell you SS but CGI was never around during the time when Alains was filmed. James Cameron shot the film useing Miniatures, puppets, and special effects with smoke and mirrors and lighting. Every shot you see with the queen is a giant puppet much like what Jabba the Hutt was in "Return of the Jedi.".

I know there was no CG then, I was merely using the queen as an example saying that the puppet (even an old one such as that) can outdo modern CG.

Fez 01-30-2004 11:46 PM

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Oh, cool. Where do you board? IE where is your nearest drypiste?

their isnt any near me :crying: i used to snowboard when i was living in WA. Lots of snow and we went to the mountains alot.

Codek 01-31-2004 12:21 PM

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their isnt any near me :crying: i used to snowboard when i was living in WA. Lots of snow and we went to the mountains alot.

Oh. Real snow is kinda different to dryslopes. Turning is a bit different, you gotta dig the front in as you push the back out. Weird.

Anywho, personally I think I like both CG as much as I like props. They are both as good as each other when done right.

Sekto Springs 02-01-2004 05:33 AM

Death, you have a nice collection of Citadel paints. Are you a Warhammer fanatic (I certainly am)?

Codek 02-01-2004 05:39 AM

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Death, you have a nice collection of Citadel paints. Are you a Warhammer fanatic (I certainly am)?

I used to be. Those paints are leftovers. Still nice and fresh though, and their pretty darn good quality so I've kept hold of them.

I have a small imperial gaurd army, comprised of a basilisk, two leman russ tanks, a sentinel, and some stormtroopers. The models were painted to the greatest degree of accuracy possible, then left on a shelf. Since then the only warhammer model I've purchased has been the chaos defiler, which I bought shortly after its official release.

I find the actual game to be somewhat dull. Lacking in interest and depth. I do admire the modelling capabilities of one or two 'Eavy Metal team members, and stare in awe at Forge World, but it's not something I make a hobby out of.

Fez 02-01-2004 05:46 AM

i used to be, which reminds me. I might be selling all my Tau warhammer.

24 painted firewarriors
Aun'Shi unpainted
1 painted devilfish
1 unpainted hammerhead (with railgun)
3 painted pathfinders
3 unpainted pathfinders with rail rifles
8 painted gun drones
1 unpainted shield drone
3 unpainted Kroot hounds
1 unpainted pathfinder leader
2 painted XV8 crisis battlesuits (one with leader markings)
1 paint starter set. (9 paints, brush)
Fortress Grey paint
Shining Gold paint
1 custom made Tau "general"

the paintings kinda crappy, but you can always spreywhite them and start again.


thats over £80.00 worth of stuff there, but i wont be expecting to make nearly that much.

Codek 02-01-2004 03:10 PM

Well since we're moving on to this subject I might as well let you know about my stuff.

My warhammer 40k stuff IS up for sale if there is anyone who wants to buy it. The painting is top quality, and as such the models would look nice on a shelf. If anyone is interested, feel free to let me know.

The basilisk and sentinel are completely painted. One of the Leman Russ tanks is partially painted, the other one is damaged ( a heavy box fell on it, crushing off the custom details) but the hull is still in tact.

I also have a fully painted highly detailed legion of the damned commander, and a highly detailed spacemarine soldier holding a scanner (the scanner has lots of nice detail on it). I've also got a custom made psyker, wearing a hood and cape, moulded from green-stuff. He's fully painted and well detailed.

One more thing, I also have a Defiler, the whole thing is painted black, but has some silver detail and is fully assembled. This model is difficult to construct from the kit, so I'd advise you look at getting this one before you go out and buy it from the shops.

The basilisk may be a problem, as there are small details such as arials that could snap off in transit, so packing may get a little expensive. The same goes for the sentinel, which has a highly detailed base.

EDIT: ferill how much do you want for the hammerhead?

Fez 02-02-2004 09:11 AM

i'll need to find out how much my mate got it for, then i'll see where my limits are. How much are you willing to pay?

Al the Vykker 02-02-2004 12:47 PM

At first when I saw those little minatures you have there, it looked like the small fighter was a Sith Fighter from Knights of the Old Republic. :p

Anyways, I really like the look of those. :fuzsmile:

Codek 02-02-2004 02:54 PM

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At first when I saw those little minatures you have there, it looked like the small fighter was a Sith Fighter from Knights of the Old Republic. :p

Anyways, I really like the look of those. :fuzsmile:

Thanks. :) Are you talking about the really small winged one? Cause that one always reminds me of the Clingon Bird of Prey...

I've now painted that model, so I might just take another photo of it and post it here for you all to see.

Anyway, erm, ferill, it's ok I'm not really that interested in buying it, it was just a spur of the moment thing. You'd be best selling it to someone you wouldn't need to post it to.

Sekto Springs 02-02-2004 06:11 PM

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I used to be. Those paints are leftovers. Still nice and fresh though, and their pretty darn good quality so I've kept hold of them.

I have a small imperial gaurd army, comprised of a basilisk, two leman russ tanks, a sentinel, and some stormtroopers. The models were painted to the greatest degree of accuracy possible, then left on a shelf. Since then the only warhammer model I've purchased has been the chaos defiler, which I bought shortly after its official release.

I find the actual game to be somewhat dull. Lacking in interest and depth. I do admire the modelling capabilities of one or two 'Eavy Metal team members, and stare in awe at Forge World, but it's not something I make a hobby out of.

yes, i agree with you on some levels
the mechanics of the game seem to get less interesting with age, but i never get tired of glueing orcs together and painting them, I do it for the element of fun of painting/modeling them.

40k has always interested me, i sort of forgot about warhammer for about a year or so, then when i saw the 40k live videogame in a magazine I sort of picked back up on it. Since then i've extended my collection to about 300 or so figures (which could be bigger if i didn't lose some of my figures :dead: )
My side for warhammer is Orcs, Goblins, Chaos lords and just about any other non-human creature, 40k i'm a space marine guy with just about 3 regiments of every team there is.

I know a friend of mine who would love to buy all of your WH, ferill
his name is Neil, i'll PM you his PH # and such, only problem is he pays in a american currency...hopefully one of you can have the money converted :sleepy:

Lucipher 02-07-2004 12:03 PM

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Yeah I can actually. I got lessons back in 2002.

I don't own a snowboard yet but I plan on getting one. But ferill, what exactly are you trying to imply?

It sounds a bit funny that you can afford all your airsoft guns and all your warhammer, and are you sure that you just said you can snowboard just because ferill said it? you might just be trying to impress people.

Esus 02-07-2004 12:07 PM

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I beleive this is the case, because while 3D modellers might be quite talented when it comes to making things look real, often they are not very creative, and their works lack the "spark" that's needed to get original looks.
I myself, amatuerly, 3D model incredibly often with maya and 3ds max, and I don't fell I am not creative. In fact, I personally think Im very creative. I also feel 3d modelling can be very complicated, and it is undoubtedly easier to 3d model if you already have a model or blueprints to help you. I often have these aids which i myself design on paper...

Lucipher 02-07-2004 12:13 PM

I'm not sure as cgi can be good but some movies have really fake looking CGI.

Codek 02-08-2004 02:31 AM

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It sounds a bit funny that you can afford all your airsoft guns and all your warhammer, and are you sure that you just said you can snowboard just because ferill said it? you might just be trying to impress people.

You are a total dick. The last few posts you have made have been a total attempt to bash me.

I do snowboard, I do airsoft, I used to do warhammer, I do sci-fi prop modelling, I drive fast cars, I do computer gaming, I do pc modification, I do Urban Exploring. That's IT. Yes, I do have the money for it, because I am very rich. I don't like to make a big deal about my bank status though, because that really would be trying to impress people.. which is why you know nothing about it.

I suppose you might say that I'm "Eclectic", but at least I actually have hobbies. Hobbies other than trolling this forum, and insinuating that I make shit up to impress people.

Fez 02-08-2004 03:39 AM

God, these people act as if they've never seen a rich person! i believe all that Death can do. He must be a very sucessful person.

(on a side note Death, did you want to buy some of my warhammer?)

Codek 02-08-2004 03:58 AM

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God, these people act as if they've never seen a rich person! i believe all that Death can do. He must be a very sucessful person.

(on a side note Death, did you want to buy some of my warhammer?)

Oh beleive me, I'm not successfull at all. Hehe, I just have a rich uncle. (Woohoo!) ;)

Umm, I thought about it for a splitsecond, but to be honest I think you would be better of selling them to someone you could just hand the models to. I doubt that they would survive in the mail service we have today. Especially since they withdrew the travelling post office from the railways. (Bastards! Thanks for clogging up the roads even more!)

Fez 02-08-2004 04:00 AM

yeh, i was thinking the same thing. i can just sell them to a shop i know which takes second hand warhammer.