I think this is gunna go a bit off topic.

PA has a right to find gay's sinful. Just take it with a pinch of salt and move on for goshs sakes.

Please not another thread on religion! Anyway, do you know all the names for Satan? If you did, you would know he is the father of lies and such, which is a sin. I know Satanists aren't demon worshipers, but they are very misguided in their beliefs. In the scriptures it says that in the last days that many will see darkness as light and vice-versa. I think this is one of those cases. But you have freedom of religion, so I can't do a bloody thing about it!

Yup! I know this one. I actualy follow it to the best of my ability. Extra food goes to the poor rather that filling yer belly too full, but we all break that on thanksgiving!:D Anyway, my church takes fast offering and gives out to the poor.

Early to bed, early to rise. That's the best way to live life. God does not get angry at those who need rest. Sick? You need sleep. Long night at work? You're providing for your family, so long saturday sleep won't get ya struck by lightning. It's only a sin to sleep when you're fasting or for the wrong reasons....such as being lazy and such.

This is only a sin when you want money for the wrong reasons. My family would like more money for finacial stability. THIS IS NOT A SIN!

Can't deny that. You're 100% right about this point. The Bible tells you to pray for your enemies and those that despitfully use you. That doesn't mean you have to be best buds with your rival though.


It's not bad to have stuff. It's just bad when you place these things at a level where these are the only things you care about.


This is only a sin when you put someone down as you pride yourself. It is good to be proud of your success as long as you thank God for the help. He's the one who is a constant guide in our lives. He helps me so much!

THE END. I answered all your Q's! Oh baby!:fuzgrin:


-oddguy :fuzcool:

WOW! Disgruntled Intern! I knew you were wierd, but not THAT wierd! Your a crazy person! I'm very frightened! Your scary! :crying: Don't come near me!

This is Disgruntled Intern --------> :rant: or :flames: and he's worshiping... ------> :devil:

Dammit DI, why did you have to post that. Now i bad for everything i do... i better go kill myself to repent :p

But i think Greed is alrite, without Greed our world will never advance.

Yay. I find myself only guilty of anger, and lusting. Not that that matters to me. But it's nice to know.

I bet he did and got a higher mark than Jacob, and has become all touchy about it.

Wow, I am so evil. I find myself guilty of all those sins DI mentioned. However, the only ones I'm not doing often are Greed and Anger.

I should probably spank myself now, but I think Josh would like revenge.

Alcar...

DI everybody sins we are human its just a matter of how we recognise those sins and aknowledge them to God. I sin everybody sins. We are not perfect. Earthly pleasures to me are secondary in comparison to spiritual richness.

And no I dident bother to take the test.

I took the test and scored 40%. Not too happy with that, I should have been much higher ;)

As for spiritual satisfaction, I get that through doing what I feel is right.

Alcar...

That actually works very well...as long as you have a good consience!:D

-oddguy:fuzcool:

Before the 'coming of christ' "satan" was the god and bringer of light and fertility.

Christianity made him out to be bad as they needed a fear factor to keep people in check.

Anton LaVey said it best:

"Satan is the church's best friend; he's kept them in business for centuries!"

I have my beliefs, you have yours. I do not think yours are wrong, just a bit ignorant.

You are more than welcomed to feel the same about me.

You may think that, but like i have said countless times, DI's religion has him living life to the full and loving it. Not feeling guilty or scared...not wanting forgiveness...but feeling fulfilled.

Your religion seems to have you constantly in fear. Be prideful...beg for forgiveness. Be nasty...beg for mercy. Have a nasty thought...GOOD GOD GET THE SIN CLEANSED FROM YOU IMMEDIATLY!!

Oh, and Oddguy it seemed as if you were making allowances for quite alot of those sins. I.E - "Oh, no, its not a sin if i do this. No, if i do it this way its quite exceptable...yes...not that...people who do it that way are going to burn." im sure if God wanted to create a loophole he would have clearly stated it, as in "This is a sin. But, if you do it this way...its not...so thats ok." but he didn't, did he?

Also, you Christian types are wasting your lives horrificly. Why base your entire life on the THEORY and HOPE and FAITHFULNESS that Heaven exists. Why not live life to the full? You have God in your Hearts so im sure he'll forgive you...so, why be all "No, can't do this...no, no...thats wrong!!" cos its silly. When we die we just go onto a new plane of life...no Heaven...no Hell...just a new existance. So, people like me and DI will be ripping the piss out of you lot in the next life, cos not only have we had one amazing life...but we'll be having a second amazing life too...whilst you lot will be boiling in fury realising you were actually wrong.

By the by, i can't believe we're having another discussion on this again...

Oh, not another thread about this. Sticking to the subject...

Yay!

this is not true, because that is counting on the way and why you do it. So, if you are starving to death, would it be a sin to eat?
but if its a contest or just for the reason, that is a sin

And Sloth. if you are trying to get the required amount of rest for your day, is that a sin? but if your trying to skip your daily actions, it is sin

Greed, what if you need money for your family, and what is the chance of you winning the lottery? very slim and if you do you are very happy that you have extra income. but if you spend it on everything for wacky stuff and rub it in peoples faces, that is sin

and for lust, who of you havn't wanted something? the creators of that quote are sinning because they wanted a website right?
and for Dissed intern, he cussed, that to is a sin and DI has wanted something to like the OW games and the rank of Moderator, but if you wanted something that a friend had under greed, that is a sin

Anger, has anyone stolen your things and made you mad? well, believe it or not G-D(jewish god and christian god and Catholic god were the same) was mad! even at his own people!
but if you are mad for no reason, that is sin

i rest my case my fellow forumers

I know Dyslexic Cockroaches that could have made a better point. That was appauling. Read what he says next time...

And since i'm in a snide mood, are you the product of an Incestuous shenanigan?

Damn you, Jacob, you have beat me to making an incest-based insult.

Abeguy, type coherently, or do not type at all. No one should have to re-read the majority of your posts to figure out what the hell it is you're trying to say.

Throw some punctuation in there, once in a while. In the correct places, please. This will draw the attention away from your horrible spelling.

I'm glad you understand my right to believe what I want. I also understand that you have a right to think what you do. You just put up some points about sin earlier that were twisted in their presentation to make Christians look like fools. Satan does the exact same thing.....mixing lies with truth and twisting it about to seem like the right thing. You're in the right church.


His religion, in my opinion by the way, lets him do whatever bloody thing he wants without accepting consequences. God doesn't want to punish anyone. You guys make it sound like God is this angry guy. He just wants His children to return to Him and be like Him. God cannot live among unrighteousness.


I'm not perfect. I know this and so does God. At least I am trying as hard as I can to be like Him and respect His commandments. God recognizes that I'm doing my best, and I am blessed for that. I'm not in fear of God. When it says to fear God in the scriptures, in Hebrew "fear" is interprated as "respect". I do not fear God....I just respect Him. I also am not miserable and in constant worry. I'm happy!:fuzgrin:


The points DI brought forward about those sins were false. If a family needs moolah to support their family, that is not a sin! It is sin when you lust after money and that is all you care about. If you guys read the Bible, you would know that what you guys are doing is the same things the Pharasies did back in the day. The Pharasies believed that since you couldn't work on the Sabbath day, that meant you could not walk past a certain amount of steps. The Pharasies actually had people count their steps on Sunday, and if they ran out of steps, they had to sit until Monday came. Jesus spoke against that when he healed a blind man on the Sabbath. Are you guys going to be like the Pharasies and say that was wrong? This same thing applies to what you guys are saying about sin. What I said was right....what you guys said was twisted. I know this stuff....you guys don't.

We'll see who is right in the end.:fuzwink:

Me too. I hate it when you guys challenge my belief system. It's not like I'm going to go, "Hmmmm. I think DI and Jacob are right. I think I'll deny all those nifty miracles and blessings God has sent me."

I actually want us to be friends. I don't like this constant debate. It hurts my feelings to see what you guys think about God. I love God with all my heart, and no matter what you guys say, you
can't take that away from me.

-oddguy:fuzcool:

"His religion, in my opinion by the way, lets him do whatever bloody thing he wants without accepting consequences."

Have you read the satanic bible?

No?

Then don't make assumptions. I have read 'the good book' many times, so that I may have a firm grasp of what I am talking about in situations such as these.

Satanism does not condone recklessness. Half of the religion is self indulgence, while the other half is accepting the responsibility for the actions you took in order to make yourself happy.

Alright, I'll give you that. I haven't read the satanic bible, but I have read about satan in "the good book", and it doesn't look to good for him in there!:D

Anyway, many people can read the Bible, but not understand what it means or says. Without study and The Holy Ghost, it's pretty much thee and thou gibberish. I know what the Bible means....do you?

-oddguy :fuzcool:

You're a fool if you think there is a 'true' meaning to the bible. It is a book that is left to self interpretation.

Of course satan is portrayed as being a bad guy in your bible. As I previously mentioned, he is used to keep all those who follow 'god' in check. To properly represent good, you must make an example of the polar opposite. You know, 'evil'.

In short, satan is used as a scape goat. People blame sin and evil in this world on him, when actually, the sin and evil can be traced back to mankind.

After all, your god gave us freewill, did he not?

I think that Oddguy, Grig and PA should read, if not do a little bit of research, on the Satanic Bible. They tell the non-believers to read their Bible so why don't they read other religions Bibles? Oddguy you said that your Bible makes Satan look bad, and so you base your decision of "him" and the religion on that. Surely if you were to truly follow your religion you would do what Jesus would do and see both sides of the story.

It's not a sin, because it's not Greed. Let me elaborate on a few things some of you said -

This is why i stated to read peoples posts properly. DI never said it was a sin to eat, he said it was a sin to eat when full.

Again, you seem to be mistaking 'Sloth' for 'Sleeping'...

If you need money for your family, then it is not a sin. Because it is needed. However, as DI stated, wanting more money is a sin. Wanting abit extra at dinner, is a sin. Wanting more than you need, is a sin. Infact, wanting is a sin. If you have everything you NEED, you are perfectly equipped to live life righteously. Do you NEED an Xbox? Do you NEED MO? Do you NEED a computer? No, but you want these things. Yet because you don't need them you're being Greedy. I suppose this also applies to Lust.

It's all very well saying that but who decides if you have a reason? God does. So if somebody close to you gets hit by a car by a drunk driver and you get angry, you may think "I am well within my right to be angry, my close person-thing has been hurt" whereas God may be all "I shall test this person and if they get angry they shall dance in the pit of eternal flame."...or something.

I personally believe that Buddhists are better Bible-following-people. They never Lust, never get Greedy, never get Angry, never Gluttonise, never Slothful, never Prideful, never get jealous...

Oh, and for the lot of you, cos i'm sure everybody has done all of these sins. Here is what you will be facing when you finally go to Hell -

Pride - Placed on a broken wheel
Envy - Put in freezing water
Anger - Dismembered...alive
Sloth - Thrown into Snake pits
Greed - Put in Cauldrons full of boiling Oil
Gluttony - Forced to eat Rats, Toads and Snakes
Lust - Smothered in Fire and Brimstone

Also, here is a brief Synopsis of them all -

Pride;
What it is: Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

Why you do it: Well-meaning elementary school teachers told you to "believe in yourself."

Your punishment in Hell will be: You'll be broken on the wheel.

Associated symbols & suchlike: Pride is linked with the horse and the color violet.

Envy;
What it is: Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.

Why you do it: Because other people are so much luckier, smarter, more attractive, and better than you.

Your punishment in Hell will be: You'll be put in freezing water.

Associated symbols & suchlike: Envy is linked with the dog and the color green.

Anger;
What it is: Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

Why you do it: You're wired for it. Also, the people around you are pretty damn irritating.

Your punishment in Hell will be: You'll be dismembered alive.

Associated symbols & suchlike: Anger is linked with the bear and the color red.

Sloth;
What it is: Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.

Why you do it: You're shiftless, lazy, and good fer nuthin'.

Your punishment in Hell will be: You'll be thrown into snake pits.

Associated symbols & suchlike: Sloth is linked with the goat and the color light blue.

Greed;
What it is: Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

Why you do it: You live in possibly the most pampered, consumerist society since the Roman Empire.

Your punishment in Hell will be: You'll be boiled alive in oil. Bear in mind that it's the finest, most luxurious boiling oil that money can buy, but it's still boiling.

Associated symbols & suchlike: Greed is linked with the frog and the color yellow.

Gluttony;
What it is: Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

Why you do it: Because you were weaned improperly as an infant.

Your punishment in Hell will be: You'll be force-fed rats, toads, and snakes.

Associated symbols & suchlike: Gluttony is linked with the pig and the color orange.

Lust;
What it is: Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

Why you do it: Oh, please.

Your punishment in Hell will be: You'll be smothered in fire and brimstone. Not kisses.

Associated symbols & suchlike: Lust is linked with the cow and the color blue.

Sinful website...

36%

I'm a 3rd gay!

THUPER!

You just say that because you don't understand. I can't judge you as an idiot, because I don't know about your life and I haven't been in your shoes. Again, I'm not forcing my beliefs on you. Do whatever you want, but you'll be seeing things differently when the last days come.

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Of course satan is portrayed as being a bad guy in your bible. As I previously mentioned, he is used to keep all those who follow 'god' in check. To properly represent good, you must make an example of the polar opposite. You know, 'evil'. In short, satan is used as a scape goat. People blame sin and evil in this world on him, when actually, the sin and evil can be traced back to mankind.

Satan used to be good, but he craved power and wanted to get higher and more powerful than God. In doing so, he lost his way from light and truth and fell into darkness. Satan got so jealous when God picked Jesus to be the savior instead of him, so he started a war in heaven. After this, Satan and all his followers were cast out of the presence of God and placed on Earth since it is such a far out of the way planet. God sent us down to Earth so we could be tested and a veil is placed over our minds so we do not remember when we lived with God before in heaven. Without memory of our pre-lives, we are free to choose who we worship while on the Earth. God is seperating the bad from the good to see who we follow. Those that follow God have mantles of power placed upon them, and those that follow Statan cannot return to be with God. God made the universe and everything in it. Satan had the power of light taken away from him, so all he can make are demons and unclean things. How can you worship such a looser?

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After all, your god gave us freewill, did he not?

Yes, he gave you the choice to believe the stupid things you do.:fuzwink: I'm tired of you guys trying to shove things down my throat. You're not going to change me. I know more about God than you will ever know because He is with me, and you guys dissed Him. But God is forgiving, so if you happen to change your mind and repent of your sins, you will have a relationship with Him and He will forgive you. This offer isn't going to be going on forever, so act quickly!

-oddguy:lol:

For f*cks sakes Oddguy, i don't get annoyed easily but the whole "you'll change your ways when the end days come" really pissed me off. If i knew when the last days were then fine, i wouldn't care...i'd be all "Good, we'll wait til then, then." but we don't...and thats whats so annoying. Even the Raelians, who were laughed at, have a specific day.

I don't know if anybody else got this impression but from Oddguys post it did seem as if he was putting the Satanist religion down abit.

He was ambitious. God was vengeful. Both of these are sins. God took pride in humans...thats a sin. God enacted wrath upon Lucifer and his followers...thats a sin. God is Slothful now, do we see him dancing around throwing miracles about...no...he's been sinful. He also gets envious when people believe in other deities and thus sends them to Hell...he is sinning. So, who do we go for. The ambitious Arch Angel who was thrown from Heaven for wanting to be equal with the deity who created him...or the hypocritical, overly violent, alcoholic God? Hmmm...

Oddguy, where the Hell did you come up with that story that you posted. The one where he wipes our minds of our pre-lives!? You're also calling Lucifer, Satan again...please stop.

Also, can i just ask do you lot believe that Demons contact us when people do seances? 'Cos i'm sure Heavens supposed to be out of reach...and if spirits are contacting us it means that Heaven is non-existant...

I'm tired and my points are gone...on the last one anyway.

Lucifer and satan are the same entity Jacob.

God is God. He is justifiable in whatever he does. And it is immpossible for God to sin. Don't you get it? Satan is the one who is the author of sin. He tempts us to sin so he can take away as many children from God as he possibly can. Looks like he doesn't have to try very hard with you.

Ummmm, it's the truth. I didn't come up with it. Pfft, and you said you read the Bible. :rolleyes:
Ummm, they're the same guy. Or do you not understand?

-oddguy:lol:

Whee, time for me to jump in...

So you're saying God's a hypocrite? The Bible is supposedly God's words, right?

No, it's an unstable theory. Truth has good, solid facts and evidence to back it up.


Um...*cough*...yeah, that's all I had to say...

Even though that was slightly childish Chris, I'd have to agree with you in a humourous manner. Quite the hypocrite.

Lol! Last days, I've recently finished reading a book where the words 'last days' were used thoroughly. It was a good book as well, without any religious references.

I can put up with religious people, and funnily enough, I to like Buddhists. They don't try to force you into their religion, they don't say you'll all die if you don't follow their religion. They keep to themselves, they are always kind.

Alcar...

No, you're saying God's a hypocrite!:p

Only to you. I happen to have evidence with good solid facts, but you guys will just mock it, so it's no use.

I only say something when someone bashes Christianity.:fuzzle:

-oddguy :fuzcool:

Yay! Mac's post was short.
Stop talking religion. Or I'll... tell on ya.
Please. We don't want to spawn another three threads on it like last time.

Oh shite...another thread about religion?
Please, someone shoot me so that don't have to see things like this ever again...

You're not bloody kidding. This is, what, the fourth thread where Chris has had to explain that Satan and Lucifer are different? Oh, and look, Oddguy isn't telling us his 'proof', but implies we're silly for not believing it to be a fact. That's something I haven't seen before.

We have a Christian family who lives around the corner from us. Unlike most Christians, they don't pick and choose the parts of the bible they like best, but rather they follow just about all of the rules.

They don't eat bacon, they don't eat non-scaled animals of the sea (prawns, squid, crabs, etc) they don't wear garments made from more than one kind of fabric. And as far as I'm aware, they don't let their women cook while menstruating.

Actually, I think I better watch my back. I don't observe the sabbath, and the bible says that means my blood shall be put upon upon me. *locks the doors*

Remember kids, Jesus came not to destroy the old law, but to fulfil it.

To add upon this, I'd like to post the following which I found on anther forum I frequent.

Alcar...

Please post proof of this. I believe i have posted enough proof to substantiate my claim that Lucifer rules Hell and Satan rules over the Kingdom of Evil...

Lucifer didn't create sin. God did. And he should abide by his own rules...

No, i said i had a fair grasp on the Bible. And do you not understand that my point is that the website i have posted in earlier topics gathers ALL the information from ALL of the scriptures and types of the Bible that there is...it then translates them and it has come up with the fact that LUCIFER the harbourer of Light and Satanail (or Satanel, whichever spelling you want) are seperate beings.

And as Alcar has stated, if you're going to abide by the rules of Christianity, abide by all of them. Or don't call yourself a f*cking Christian 'cos all you're doing is picking what rules suits you, which is something you shouldn't even contemplate doing.

18% im great dont i?:D

Yes...just like certain other physical aspects about me...*sighs*

Ha...Dwarf

30% woo!

Hell is evil. I rest my case.

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Lucifer didn't create sin. God did. And he should abide by his own rules...

Where do you get the authority to judge God and call Him a sinner? You were created by God and this is how you repay him? No wonder God weeps over all the children that Satan is leading astray.

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No, i said i had a fair grasp on the Bible. And do you not understand that my point is that the website i have posted in earlier topics gathers ALL the information from ALL of the scriptures and types of the Bible that there is...it then translates them and it has come up with the fact that LUCIFER the harbourer of Light and Satanail (or Satanel, whichever spelling you want) are seperate beings.

You have all you're info from websites that are made by people that do not understand. I get my info from a higher authority, and that is from God. God created the entire universe, and we can't even leave our own solar system. Who is better? God.
Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.
It is easy for us to question everything while on the earth, because we do not understand. God has His own purposes that we can not even begin to comprehend, because He is God and we're are just His children. Yet, those who make it to heaven will be taught of God's ways and we will begin to learn everything, but not at this time.

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And as Alcar has stated, if you're going to abide by the rules of Christianity, abide by all of them. Or don't call yourself a f*cking Christian 'cos all you're doing is picking what rules suits you, which is something you shouldn't even contemplate doing.

I'm not picking and choosing. I'm abiding to God's rules to the best of my ability, which is more than I can say for you.:fuzwink:

Anyway, if you kids wanna stop talking about religion, stop bashing Christianity and I won't have to keep defending myself. This is just going to keep going into a vicious circle if you guys keep at it.

-oddguy:lol:

when it was loading up the score and it did that 1-100% thing I thought that was the score god that was scary...