You should not say they are 'pretending to have magical powers'. I'm not saying what they do is real or not, but you shouldn't tell them what they believe is a childrens game.

To respond to old and not so tasty.

I am glad most non-denominations you meet are less judging. I try hard not to be, but I do realize it is one of my problems. Luckily I have gotten a lot better than I used to be.

Also I didn't understand your second question? I think you asked that since I said all Christian religions are based off of the non-denominationals then wouldn't they all be correct? No, because denominations add man-made doctrine to God's word. So unless you believe that the man-made doctrines are indeed divine (which I don't) then they are not all correct.

Maybe I misunderstood you.

Even the Catholic religion has been changed. Even now, it is still backwards in its thinking. God loves us all, does he not? So, technically we are all loved by God, no matter who we are, or what we do.

Alcar...

I find that hard to believe (no pun intended). Roman catholocism was the only major form of Christianity about up until the Great Schism of 1054. I'm saying you're wrong, but I'm quite sure that non-denominationalism must have been 'recovered'.

It doesn't make sense that everyone is right, but I don't personally think it should matter, as long as we're all happy with what we believe, and as long as what we believe makes us good people in society. I don't think any belief, religious or scientific, that pertains to answer such philosophical questions as 'How did the Universe come about?' or 'Where do our souls come from and go?' can ever be proved right in scientific or historical terms (by which I mean proved right and absolutely true, period). When it comes to religion, the only truth that matters is spiritual truth, which comes down to each person's own, well, spirituality - the religion proves itself to you, through miracle, RE or love.

As for religions that depend upon coolness, I really don't see the point. It's not like you actually believe anything other than your own abilities, unless you're all keeping something from me. That belief is important, but I wouldn't call it a religion (again, not until I know more about it).

I know that Roman Catholocism is supposedly the original church, but that is not true. The apostles were not Roman catholics and never in the Bible is that term used. Therefore the earliest churches, started by the apostles after Jesus' resurrection, were not Roman Catholic. My church is non-denomination, meaning that we try our best to imitate and do exactly as the earliest churches did. Just like the churches in the Bible, we have full submersion baptisms, do not use musical instruments in worship and partake of the Lord's supper every Sunday.

I hope that clears my earlier responses things up a little.


Coolness religion? Oh man... that is so... narcissistic.

True. If you're gonna have that attitude then we might aswell say all Christians need the love of a big imaginary friend to make them feel whole...

And that evolutionists want an excuse to do whatever they want, since we are just a strange type of primate with the illusion of morality.

And they don't even have and imaginary friend, just other monkeys. :D

I don't care whether you think I have an attitude. This is my opinion. And what makes your opinion MORE valid than my opinion all of a sudden?

God, just because it was negative doesn't mean I am not entitled to it.

Erm, i wasn't having a go at you and i wasn't saying my opinion was more valid.

Thanx, i know it may seem as if i am...but my names Chris.

I meant god as an exclamation, I was in no way reffering to you as, nor would I ever call you, God.

Okay "Chris"?

It's ok, you can call me God if you want. I wasn't saying you shouldn't. You don't have to apologise...you could call me Jesus aswell if you want.

I wasn't apologising, I was making it clear that I don't respect you enough to call you god.

I probably should let you catch onto this by yourself Death but...

"Chris" is just egging you on on purpose.


BTW, Why did you chose the name Jacob, Chris? It seems very normal and most people would assume that is your real name.

It's one of the Religious people isn't it? One of the spawns of Adam and Eve? And also, it reminds me of a "Jacobs ladder" on guys...

Good, i don't like it when people who adore the ground i walk on apologise to me and take it too far. And i'm glad u don't respect me that much, but you respect me enough not to call me, but like i said, you can stop calling me God.

In the Bible, Jacob was the son of Isaac and the brother of Esau. He tricked his older twin Esau out of his birthright by exchanging it for some lentil soup. Later Jacob recieved blessing his blind father intended for Esau, by wearing lamb fur so that his father would think he was his hairy older brother.

Jacob did other things, but I assume it was his trickyness you named yourself after.

Yes. I didn't think he did anything else. What other shtuffs did he do?

I'm going way back in the thread for this one but death what I should have typed was "cool". I seriously get annoyed by all the trendy wiccans out there. Do you honestly believe that there is a half man half goat prancing around the woods protecting it? please say no wiccans. please say no wiccans. for your own good and intelligence. PLEASE!

Christian, but I think almost any religion could be the right one. I believe in God, but I'm skeptical about the specifics of religions. I don't know if that made any sense.

Why is God referred to as "He" or "Him"? The term 'God' should have an exceptional reference.

I think I voted wrong on atheism and agnostic.... I'm not sure which one I am.... which is kinda ironic and confusing at the same time.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but atheism is actually very stupid. Atheism is suposedly based on pure logic. They say that logically there is not a god. One of the main rules of logic however is that you can not prove a negative. You can't prove that something doesn't exist. Therefore by atheisms own belief system they are proved wrong. It is also just very close minded for people who are able to except the fact that there almost infinite possibilities in the universe.

Nobody understands the universe, and in truth, nobody needs to either.

And Khanz, I couldn't care less what Chris was doing, we were both just messing around and I don't ever remember mentioning your name, so just but out!

You get into other peoples business way, way too much. Not that I think that isn't justified, as this is a public forum, but you should still just ignore it, because it actually offends people when you make out that they are being serious when it is obvious to everyone else that they are simply joking. It makes them sound like they are stupid, and also looks like an attempt at a public mockery.

Don't do it again. *waves finger*

:D

In my opinion, 70% of our actions are predetermined (fate), and 30% are our own choices. Although it could easily be reversed.

I will never believe that there is not someone out there looking over all of us, its like saying that life outside earth and in the rest of the universe is impossible. Someone started this universe and it was god.

Also I believe its people who turn their back on god, not the other way around.

Im now a fairly liberal catholic. I have my beliefs about things in my faith, and different interpretations on certain things in the church, beliefs, but I also respect most other religions too.

if you could come up with a name for a religion part satanic, part buddhist, and part technology worshipment then i would gladly pay my two bits

hows satechist, or budtechan

Fate is another way of saying "the outcome of our actions". If 30% of our actions control 70% of our other actions, that means that 70% of our actions are controlled by the consequences of 30% of our previous actions.

In other words, if you blow up a building, 70% of your following actions will be defined by events caused by 30% of the fact that you chose to blow up a building. This would probably because you couldn't predict what your situation would be the next time you have to make decitions.

For instance, there are some things that you HAVE to do. Things that you can't avoid doing, like walking, breathing, moving etc. These, by Al's theory, evidently make up 70% of what we do. The rest is chosen by us, and what the next 70% is, is defind by what the previous 30% was.

At least, that is my interperetation of his theory. These statistics may change depending on what we are doing, but probably stay relatively the same.

guzunheit

I'm getting RSI of the mouth from laughing so hard.

God is a male. I'm not being sexist, either. Jesus was created in the image of God, thus God must be a male.

Though, I'd prefer God to be female. They are the stronger sex. Well, the ones that have a heart.

Alcar...

I'm non religious, but I'm not an atheist either.

But like Joshy, I came up with a religion for fun. Hoboism, and I'm the guy who writes the doctrine.

"[Hobo] Pueri in viam gaudebit, ubi [Grand Hobo] advenit. Ille ipse deinde duceris Laeti Hobi Terrae..." - HB2:09

Hehe just joking around ;)

Actually, niether sexes are stronger, which is why both of them are still here today.

God is niether male nor female, he is god. Man was made in the image of god, jesus is man, son of god. God wasn't made in the image of man, nor was god made a man. As much as a man could be made in the image of female.

In other words, man looks like god, but god isn't a man, he just looks like one.

But this is merely what the bible tells us, and the bible was written during times when patriarchal society ran rampant.

Your interpretatation is correct. Im glad someone was able to kind of decipher it, being I didnt really explain it in detail.:fuzsmile:

Cool, can I join. I'd be like some kind of Pope

Protecting "it"? Protecting what? And what you mean half man, half Goat? Are you referring to the depiction of Lucifer? Or one of those Fawn things? Or Leonard?

Nobody knows what Jesus looks like. Early in the 18th Century (i do believe, may have been earlier or later) when the Church started doing the whole Stain-glass thing, Jesus was depicted with blonde hair, blue eyes and gorgeous, because he was Gods son and thus perfect. However, as time went on people said "But Jesus is cleansing us of all our sins, so shouldn't he be ugly, torn and un-pleasing to the eye?" so they started to change him. Back then you were said to be ugly if you had long hair and a beard, and thats the image that stuck.

They only reason why they're here today is because they have a need for each other. Women could easily take over the world.

No, protecting the wood. When someone makes a sentence, and puts an it at the end, the it can only be referring to previous topic.

Did I ever say I knew what Jesus looks like? I just said he was made in the image of god, like any other man! He could have looked like anybody!

Half right. Women wouldn't be able to take over the world, because their simply aren't enough of them in the armed forces, secret services, and other such national muscles. Female versus machine gun in other words. But even if they did take over the world, their victory would be flawed, for they would all die out within the next two or three generations. The same goes for men aswell.

To sum up:

Religion is a funny thing, and it is only when you question or debate your beleifs, that you can really find the true meaning of it.

if jesus looks like god, then god must be a woman

Atheism doesn't need to be based on logic, just percieved logic. In an atheist's mind, it is logical that God cannot exist, for whatever reasons they give. It's exactly the same kind of personal logic on which religions are based on. For a Christian, it is logical that there is a God, for whatever reasons they give. If you're going to get as philosophic in saying you can't prove something doesn't exist, you can also so you can never truely prove that something (or anything) does exist. The only proof of God's existence, though, is personal and spiritual.

I take a metaphorical view of this. Mankind was based in God's image with reference to his goodness, kindness and whatnot, rather than to physical appearance.

I will ignore you Death, because like I was, you were probably still joking around right? Actually you are probably right, so sorry.

Humans were made in God's own image meaning they have ability to make decisions and whatever they want to on the Earth. Animals do not have spirits , morals or beliefs while humans do. That is what the whole, "made in Gods own image" means.

And God is a spiritual being, so God is not a male or female. God is referred to as He simply for ease and to help us mortals think of him as a fatherly figure. But there is nothing wrong with referring to God as She, since in reality God is neither.

And Jesus probably looked like a normal middle eastern man. He probably wasn't all super pretty and hygenic hippyish. He was just and average looking guy, with an above average Father.

To Death -
Women could charm men into doing their bidding and use their wyle ways to get what they want. They could also enslave the mankind race (the heterosexuals of course) and force them to work for them. They would also extract seamen from men (in the most painfullest way) and use that to impreganate themselves so they could survive. Of course, Homosexuals would be the Commanding Generals who conquered lands...

"Yay-Yay!! Charge and shtuffs!! Eww-Eww...mud and Brains, mud and Brains, all over my gorgeous shoes!!"

YES!!!!
 

Good point TheKhanzumer :D

Yes, how the bible explained it, Jesus Christ was average looking, and he was born in a peasant family, why? Because people would only follow him for his looks, just like King David in the old testament.

jesus christ was made so pretty as we see him, the real christ was a not so swingin teen with lots of zits, he could never get a GF, and he wore those head thorns because his style was out of date! God this, Jesus that, Abraham hit me with a wiffle ball bat!

I hate to be the bearer of bad BAD news but rules of logic does not mean can't prove a negative as in not prove God exists. God is not a negative in this case, he is an entity people claim exists. Hence The point is to prove he DOES exist. I can say the pink purple-people-eater rules the universe, if I'm so intent on this being the case people will need me to prove this is so for them to make sense of it. As you can see, there's no sign of a pink purple-people-eater ruling this planet, so I'm sure you find that hard to believe... unless you that open-minded to accept that kinda possibility.

And I'm still convinced God does not possess enough human likeness to be called "He" or "Him" because you are addressing some one, and they should really be addressed for who or what they truly are... after all,I think it was more Jesus's soul that was created in the likeness of God rather than anything related to his gender.