Umm....I don't agree with you this time SeaRex. I wouldn't consider myself "weak" because I believe in God. Your opinion, being someone who doesn't believe in God I take it, makes it easy for you to say that "weak" people believe in God. I however, find that having God in my life helps me be a better person.

Wow GrigtheSlig. That was the most ignorant comment I have ever heard in my life. Congratulations.

Here's how I feel about the whole wee kiddies/let's love god thing.

When you're young, you're extremely impressionable. Mommy or Daddy tells you it's not socially acceptable for you to eat with your hands and chew with your mouth open, with some gentle reminders, you stop. Forever, in most cases.

Same goes with fear. If mommy or daddy tells you that if you're not asleep when 'santa' comes, you'll only get coal, the kid damned near forces himself into a coma every christmas eve.

Fear is a powerful motivational tool, and unfortunately, parents use it to get their children to think in the same mindset as them. [when it comes to religion, atleast.]

Mommy says, "Now jimmy...are you going to go to church tomorrow?"

Jimmy: "Nah, I wanna sleep!"

Mommy: "Well okay then sweety. Have fun burning in a lake of fire for all eternity after you die. which could be any second."

Then you bet your ass that young child is going to go to church. I personally have nothing against children being raised in a religious way or home; as long as they weren't pushed into it with fear.

When parents offer to take their child to church, that's awesome. I mean, I see no point in taking any child under atleast 6, since they will definitely not have a real grasp on what's going on.

But when parents give their child the chance to see what church is all about, without being threatened with eternal damnation and so forth, that's good. Let the kid form his or her own opinions. Let them think for themselves.

Then, if they choose religion, they did it themselves. Not just because their parents threatened them with 'hell'.


EDIT: "Can you have a grand estate next to God's house in heaven. Yup!"

Um, oddguy, let's be realistic here. If god is truly omnipotent, then what use would he have for a house? And if and when you go to heaven, assuming there is one, if you could have a house, what's stopping you from sticking an xbox, or whatever else you want inside of it?

Don't be silly.

I don't think Microsoft exsists in heaven, Starbucks maybe, but not Microsoft.

You're probably correct. There are so many contradictions that state about the Demons and Angels and shtuff which basically shows how contaminated the original version of the Bible and Heavenly events really are.

Grig, how do you know your version or your beliefs are correct? You're basing this fact on the fact that the Bible itself says its the book of God. Unless you give me other evidence, such as carvings in rock stating that the Bible is, indeed, the book of God, then i am just going to believe that it was a story, much like 'The Lord of the Rings' that got taken too far by Geeks. *Ponders* Hmmm...i can see it now that in 5,000,000 years time people will be reading 'The Lord of the Rings' and following it as a religion...how...how amusing.

How is it wrong, my dear?

(1) - I do have an open mind...

(2) - There is no such thing as normal. Please state more facts that did not come from the Bible and i may believe you.

See, it's attitudes like that, that make my stories or gaming ideas get the 3rd degree and get toned down. I don't mean to be offensive here but even though America is a somewhat decent country it is totally f*cked up by people such as yourself complaining about the smallest of things...

I don't want to. I have tried, but it just gets so boring. Besides, like i stated above, my entire family are the Bible bashing type...

So, by your logic...this is happening;

Lucifer: "Hmmm...what shall i do today...*Looks around bored*...*Sigh*"

Demon: "Well, we could go and create Anarchy...you know...do another 9/11...that was fun."

Lucifer: "Pffftttt...nahh. Same old, same old. I want something that'll actually get a proper reaction..."

Demon: "A proper reaction? Like...hmmm...making President Bush a paedophile?? Make him Nuke England? I'm sure that'll be fun..."

Lucifer: "Nahh...*Checks nails and begins to bite one*...Hmmmm."

Demon: "We could make the Pope a Queer...?"

Lucifer: "No, no, no...but wait...i know...yes...yes this is perfect...i'll...i'll order Legion to possess some random animal and...yes...and turn them Gay!!"

Demon: "O-M-G!! THAT'S GENIUS!! Only a Dark Highness such as yourself could have come up with such an amazing plan!! I'll order them to do it at once!! This'll create complete Anarchy...!! The world will surely implode in on itself!!"

Lucifer: "Plus it'll get the Evangelicans all uptight...heh."

Precisely. The word 'apparently' should be emphasised, like, everywhere. Can someone please quote were Jesus said "Love everybody...except those dirty Fudge-Packers."

No. My family did that, so im inclined to believe its something that the child should choose. Most religions do say "This religion is the ONLY religion, so dammit, just believe in this one!!" which does cause mass outbreaks of nastyness. For example a Christian man wanting to marry a Hindu woman. The two families would most likely disagree...and, possibly, abandon their children. If a child wants to take up a religion...then so be it. It's not in our right to say what it has to believe in.

I have a thooperlicious Godlike relationship...he's invited me to his house. And we've had tea. And i've met Mrs God. And we've all got along thooperly. And i've fed his Dog...and played with Jesus...it was so thooper!! The powerful booming voice of his did make my ear drums bleed though...and the shining bright white, light that was coming from his entire body did burn my retina to the extent i can only see things 1mm away from my face...but still...t'was fun!!

That'd be the Church...

That came out wrong. I wasn't trying to say weak... but I couldn't find another word to describe what I was saying. I meant, people who need to have faith in something as apposed to people that can go through their lives without belief in an afterlife.

For the record, I'm non-practicing christian. I decided to take up the faith again after I found an interest studying Christian mythology and the Angels/ArchAngels/Demons. Well, and I became extremely afraid of death after I had a severe car wreck, but that's a different story.

I haven't been afraid of Death for a long time, on the contrary i've been really excited about dying...but a couple of nights ago i thought "What if there really is nothing?" and that freaked me out...

They have evidence of things that happened in the BIBLE!!! EDIT1: I THINK you don't want to read the BIBLE because your scared that I'll be right in the end and you'll feel stupid. EDIT2:AND YOU SAID THAT you don't want to read it, so you cant prove me wrong! :D It's wrong because anyone who belives any of that stuff should go to the nearest mental facility! EDIT3: I DON"T THINK you don't have an open mind at all!! Maybe you should look those words up in the dictionary. I'm really tired of your really long posts that say the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over! You can believe whatever you want, but my beliefs are still the same. I still chalange you to read the BIBLE all the way through WITH AN OPEN MIND!!! And if you don't want to, that's fine, I just EDIT4: think that your scared of learning the truth!

Wow. From what you say, it seems like you know Jacob very, very well...which you don't. Please stop acting like you know all his thoughts and intentions when you don't...it's very annoying.

I'm just making an asumtion, ok! But I do know alot of people like Jacob, and that's how they are! But you don't have to make me sound like a psycic or something. I'm not exactly sure if I'm allowed to be mean to you because your a MOD...probably not. This is really hard to write, cause I don't want to be kicked of the forums! Well, once again, I chalange Jacob and you Mac to read the BIBLE WITH AN OPEN MIND AND HEART.

Such as? I know for a fact that the whole 10 Plagues happened, but everything to do with that (excluding the Angel of Death, as that may be, yet another, exaggeration) were down to a Volcanoe erupting.

No, i don't want to read the Bible because -

1) I have better things to do.
2) I don't have the patience.
3) I basically know the story anyway.
4) It's not a very compelling story.

We'll see who's proved wrong when we all die...and your kind realise that you've wasted your lives for nothing.

That's coming from somebody who supports a religion that does the whole tongue thing...and the whole "Praise-a the Lord-a!! Let me hear-a AMEN!!" etc.

Ok...?

See above. What about you reading the Satanists Bible all the way through...with an open mind?

The truth is very unclear in this aspect. Nobody knows if the Bible is Gods word...or not...yet once again it doesn't bode well when the only source that states the Bible is the book of God is the Bible itself. Don't you understand that the Bible could have been changed to fit the needs of society and to put fear into people?

By the way Grig, you're defending your beliefs and not offending anyone, you cant get banned for that...

Obviously some people have different beliefs. I'm not the kinda guy to try and shove my views down someone else's throat! How annoying!

See? Oddguy's my homie. I think I'll buy him a churro.

Although I don't particularly believe in most religions, I do have an opend mind about them. I mean, who knows, maybe it's all true. Nobody has proof for either side. And if in the end it turns out that it was true the whole time, that I'd really be screwed if I went around dissing it and all.

Pfft. Grig doesn't deserve a churro.

Mac and I are like this! *crosses fingers* Umm.....that is so dead huh? Sorry everyone. :crying:

Well, I don't like disliking you, so why don't you just read the BIBLE, for me!:fuzgrin: Then maybe you'll like it and i'll deserve a churro!

Of course because little kids have no choice. I mean, as long as you live under parent's house, you have to abide by their rules right? If your children are grown and move out of your house, then yes, they have a choice about what religion they want to or just hope that the religion that they grew up with continues to stay in them. If your a parent who allows their 3 year old to have choices and boss you around, then you have some problems.

1) I have better things to do.
2) I don't have the patience.
3) I basically know the story anyway.
4) It's not a very compelling story.

Jacob, seriously, that explains everything. Since you didn't read it, then you don't have proof to say that Adam and Eve committed incest and so did their children (which they didn't). So please, stop making all of those stories up on what happen in the bible because those events never did occur. Since you didn't read, then everything you said above is false then. That's like me saying “Oh, I've never read the Grapes of Wrath, but this is what happened!”. Do you know how stupid that really sounds? If you were to say that to a preist, He would think that you are ignorant. I'm not forcing you to read the bible, I'm just warning you because their are people who know the bible front and back and will blow you out of the water and make you feel shame, and you will cause alot of trouble. Plus, I don't even know why people are arguing with you over this topic because I believe it's a waste of time, because you don't listen or you repeat the questions over and over. I'm tired arguing over religion and homosexuality issues. They are getting stupid. I'm a christian, I believe in Jesus Christ and if nobody doesn't like it then tough. This is my life you and you live your own life.

When if your wrong and you go to hell. What are you going to do then?

Um it is dear...get over it.

Anyways, let's drop this topic and move talk about Mac's hot pants!!!!

*gives high five to Pinky* That's what I'm talking about! Let's change the subject already! Now Jacob and Grig, are you kids going to play nice?

Go PinkHaired Mudokon CWR! I agree with you 100%! Alright, lets let this subject DIE!!!

Someone make a better topic, I can't think up a good one right now!

Look, everybody has their own opinions and thats fine. I am not saying that we are better than you or you should follow Jesus Christ or God as a person or thing or whatever he may be. We stated our beliefs as a fact in being more truth to us as it is to you. We are not forceing it we are telling you about it in hopes of maybe haveing people think about their individual lives and the choices they made. If it dident work fine. If you want to be homosexual then fine, if you choose not to believe in God then fine. But what I am saying is think twice before you choose a path in life to follow be wise about your decisions you make in life.

Pfft, heck yeah. My hot pants are all the rage with the ladies.

Ok, new topic! Democrat or Republican? I'm not sure if you people on the forums have a political opinion, but here we go!

No, you still haven't actually answered the questions we've put forward. Just three little points.

Okay, I think we need to draw a family tree here. Let's take this step by step:
1. God creates Adam
2. God creates a woman
3. After some tomfoolery with the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Eve (as is her name after eating the fruit) gives birth first to Cain, then Abel
4. Cain kills Abel
5. Then Cain lay with his wife, who gives birth to Enoch

Right, we got there. Here's my question: Where did Cain's wife come from? The only other female mentioned is Eve. That means both Cain and his wife come from the same mother.

You still haven't actually explained why. I understand that you personally believe it is the word of God, and I'm cool with that, I'm not trying to bash that. I'm also not trying to say it's not the word of God - just consider me a critic. The only historical evidence to suggest that the Bible is the word of God is the Bible itself. Now if I were to alter my own copy of the Bible to say that I am another of God's sons come down to Earth (merely an example, I don't mean anything by it) and then destroyed all other copies of the Bible and replaced them with my new version, people would probably be rather upset. Let's skip a few hundred years, to a future where my revised Bible is the only Bible there is. If people then took a 100% literal view of the text, they'd believe I was a second Messiah, and would use exactly the same arguement that you're using now, which is quite akin to, "I'm right, look it says right here, see?" We now that they'd be wrong, but because I manipulated the Bible they don't know any better.

Now in the past, the Bible has been such an exquisit item, whose circulation was strongly controlled by the Church. They had every ability in the world to change the texts in the same way I described above. There's more historical evidence to say that this is possible than there is that God dictated the Bible. You can't deny, but I understand if you don't believe it.

Myself, I take a metaphorical view of most of the Bible. I believe the text was inspired by God, not dictated.

I forget what the third thing was. Maybe there was no third thing. Nevermind.

I've no idea what Republican is. It's an American-only thing I think, although it probably has its routes in the British parties. I'm guessing Conservatory, but truthfully I've no idea. I don't like the idea of having X number of predefined parties, anyway, it means you can't mix and match ideologies. It also means it's not true democracy; but take a look at the way the world is run, and it's obvious anyway. I'm not a politically-minded person.

How about we say this: If you answer this question, we will drop the topic.

How do you know?

As do i. I do believe there was a Moses. I also believe that somebody played a cruel prank on him with the whole 'setting-a-bush-on-fire' and such...

Why don't you read either -
Darwins thingy on Evolution
The book of Satan

What about when they're 13+? Do they still have to abide by those rules? Shouldn't we be teaching our children to think for themselves and to encourage that new thinking instead of believing everything everybody says?

Giving your child a choice and allowing it to boss you around are two completly different things. If a child doesn't want to eat a certain food...will you force said food down its throat?

Pinky, i did about it in RE for 4 years!! My family drummed it into me since i was the age of 5!! I've watched Religious programmes at Christmas that go on about it!! I don't need to read the Bible to know the basic outline of the story!! Pinky, please explain to me how 2 people are capable of creating over 100,000,000,000,000 people without delving into incest!?!

Grapes of Wrath (what the Hell is that anyway??) does not have a cult following. Does not have countless people dedicating their lives to it and does not other sources depicting the story (i assume).

And then he would go to Hell. Because that would be prejudging me...if he were to find out why i felt the way i did...then fine...but just thinking i'm that would be dabbling in prejudice.

I don't feel shame by the by. And so far nobodies "blown me" thus far. How about you try it, eh Pinky? Come on...blow me...

Pinky, i do listen. You just avoid the question or answer it but without in the shittiest possible way. Like when i say "How do you know the Bible is the wantingness of God?" and you reply with "Because it is". That's not answering the question. The question is "How do you know?". So please answer how you know...

I agree, but the argument won't end until the Bible changes (yet again, might i add) and makes Homosexuality ok (which is going to happen by the by).

Well whilst i'm on my death bed i'm going to get forgiveness for all past sins from random religious people...that'll sort me out with minimum effort. I'll still have had fun. Whereas none of you would have.

*Drops on knees and sobs* BUT HOW!?! HOW DAMMIT!! HOW DO YOU KNOW!?!

Erm...i don't know which is left-wing...

See. See how many people want to bask in your knowledge of knowing-howness!?!

By the by, the Bible has been changed. It used to class wearing clothes from different fibres a sin...is it still a sin? Man changed it so that it wasn't? But did God? Who knows? You lot may all still be going to Hell...

Subject change - Corperal (or Capital, i forget now) should it be allowed. Actually, lets use both. If a child does something wrong should we be allowed to hit it (not with a basball bat or a knuckle duster, just a slight tap) or not? And should people be executed?

There is actualy a lot of scientific evidence that proves the Bible is a historical text. So much in fact, I don't know where to begin! I have to go to a softball game in a few minutes, so I won't be able to put up an explanation till' later. Remember.....I'm not one to shove anything down anothers throat, but clearly you guys are really interested in this subject, so who am I to withhold knowledge to those who thirst after it? Later kidz!

I've answered that question over ten times in the other religious topics on this board. I would not say it again. Plus, if you want to know the answer, search for it on this board or search for it on google.com

Can you read? I've just answered that question. I'm 18 and I live with my parents. I still have to abide by their rules. If I'm 18 and live on my own then that's different. Why should I argue with my parents, when they are the ones paying the bills and such? If I don't like their rules then I can get out. Plus I wasn't taught to believe in everything everyone says.

That's like giving a baby a choice. Will you give your 3 year old keys to your car? "Mom, it's my choice!." "Okay son!".

No. You said "Of course because little kids have no choice.". Little kids are not 13. 13 year olds are teenagers, my dear.

Yes. But the whole thing is do we force something upon a child? Abiding by the rules is one thing, being forced to do something/go somewhere is a completly different thing.

Where you taught to think/decide things for yourself?

No, i would give him/her a choice though. Why would my 3 year old want to drive? If my child didn't want to eat a certain food. Fine. If it didn't want to do a certain thing, such as go and play in the garden. Fine. So long as it's not doing it any harm, why do i care what choice it makes? So long as it's learning independance and feeling it has a choice unlike some kind of dictatorship you seem to have had set for you.

I took Pinky's advice and searched Google. I found a website were a man seems to believe he has proof of God being real. Something about Depression making the bones thinner and if you believe in God he will help you. He stated this -

"A merry heart doeth good like a medicine; but a broken spirit drieth the bones."

Followed by -

"A merry heart really does do good like a medicine and depression really does dry up the bones!!"

Along with some explanation. However, as far as i can tell that's a whole lot of shit. You could easily say that Wicca, Witchcraft or Paganism is helping, because in these religions you summon the energy within and use that to do your deeds...

By the by, it's worth noting that Jesus and Lucifer are both called 'The Morning Star' in the Bible...

Proof that i am hung like a Horse

I've also found a website that states abit about the Pope being the Anti-Christ. It makes sense aswell...

"What better facade than a “church” to cover the antichrist’s real identity? The Bible tells us that Satan, the devil, “deceives the whole world.” (Revelation 12:9). Everyone in the world has been deceived by the devil and by his agent, the antichrist."

Proof my penis does, indeed, talk Latin

I also skipped over to Google as soon as Pinky suggested it, but was a little more fruitful. I found a nice biased site that presented lots of lovely circumstancial evidence. I won't give the link, because I'm still waiting for Pinky to actually come up with any of this stuff herself.

Oh, and, "Because it says in there," is not one of their 'proofs'. :)

Regarding capital punishment, no, I disagree with it. Completely. If some maniac has got a factory full of hostage and a pretty impressive array of explosives at his finger tip, then obviously there's one solution that shines above the rest, but with all these murderers and whatnot, if they've caught the buggers, they should try reformation instead of jumping to retribution.

Corporal punishment, yeah, sure. Parents should be allowed to discipline their children physically, so long as they don't go over the top, which is just common sense. I personally think corporal punishment should be reintroduced into the Law, such as they used to have: mostly whipping wrists and similar no-damage-yes-pain deterrence methods. If the bastards try to sue for damages, take away their house and see if they like being homeless, cheeky gits.

I found another one about the Bible prophecising shtuffs that had come true. All i could think of however was Nostradamus...

On Capital punishment i believe that it is ok. If somebody's got life in jail then all they're going to be doing is clogging up the jail itself, why not just execute them and let up some space?

Same goes for Paedophiles. If they're want to molest a child then they're going to have to face the consequences. Its because our Law is so laid back that we have quite alot of crime in the first place. If we were to show Paeds that they will be experimented on by Pharmaceutical/Cosmetic companies or killed painfully for their crimes then maybe they will stop. Aswell as murderers who commit mass murder or murder for no specific reason.

And i agree with Max on the other one.

No, I could never want anything to die, although I love your pharmaceutical/cosmetic test subject idea - humiliate the criminal and cut down, hopefully eliminate, the need for animal testing. Humiliation punishment is something I didn't mention. We could bring back the stocks for petty criminals if it weren't for the inevitable people throwing shards of broken glass at their faces.

EDIT: For freeing up space in prisons, I think imprisonment in such places is not the best solution to the problem in a lot of the cases, hence my desire to explore alternatives, like corporal and humiliation.

Ummm, back on that last topic... I think that because GOD sent two people only, and they had kids, there was no way the couldn't go into insest. But, since it was GODS plan, it wasn't considered insest. Is that good enough? Or are you going to be sceptical? If we answer all your Questions about this, what will you do with the knowledge that you recieve? Will you turn away from your EVIL ways?How about this...If we can answer all you questions, then you guys have to read the BIBLE all the way through and go to church for a month! :fuzgrin: You game?

I'd be game for reading the Bible if answered our questions completely, but I'm going through a tough piece of life right now, and I need to work on getting my work ethic and creativity back. Plus our ways aren't evil, so there :p

I don't think it could be 'not considered' as incest, since it complies with the definition of incest. However, God could have allowed it for that one occassion, since all sex is a sin, but excusable if it is to have children (or so the Rev tells us), that would have been similar. There should be a footnote somewhere saying: "WARNING: do not attempt to reproduce the reproduction of Adam and Eve. Failure to comply with God's wishes can lead to inbreeding, social exclusion and eternal damnation." Just a thought.

I was just joking about the "EVIL ways" thing. But anyway, lets put it this way... lets say you were stranded on a desert isle with a beutiful woman. You and her are the only two people alive in the whole world. And it's GODS plan for you and this beutiful women to repopulate the planet. What would you do? Would you have kids and tell them " Yep, we're the only people alive, but don't commit insest!" "But dad, we're supposed to repopulate the whole planet, how are we gonna do that without commiting insest?" So, here's the question, If your in that position(highly doubtful) would you let your children repopulate the planet or not?

A.Yes
Or
B.NO!

If we're the only two humans left on the planet, why do we have to be on a desert island? Not that I'm complaining. Also, if we were truely on a desert island, how could we sustain ourselves? The only food would be raw fish (desert means no trees or scrub, none of that means no fire to cook the fish). Unless you scrap the desert island idea. Okay, enough fun.

I really doubt I'm important enough ever to be placed in such a situation, but if it did come to that, I'd almost certainly feel compelled to allow incest. That doesn't mean it's not a sin, it just means it's necessary.

I'm going to reply to the whole gay thing. I'm sorry Grig, I can't support you on this one. EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE THE WAY THEY LIKE AS LONG AS THEY CAUSE NO INTENTIONAL OR PHYSICAL HARM TO ANOTHER PERSON. The fact is that it is no ones business what anyone does. By the way, how can any love actually be considered evil when there is so much hatred in the world. Do you know what the highest suicide rate in america is? Gay teen christians. Because they have been told that they are evil. Any kind of bigotry for any reason is disgusting and a sign of true ignorance. Ask yourself one question. How does this effect me? err eh ummmm. Yeah. Thats right. It doesn't.

There was a subject of importance a couple of years ago that included teaching homosexuality in schools. Do you believe this should happen? It was stopped by some woman. But the people who did 'The truth about Gay animals' took a video tape of all these animals performing sexual acts and played it to her and said "By your logic we should do what animals do...well, animals can be gay." and she was all "Um...no...no...no they're not. Turn it off. I don't want to see that...turn it off and leave my office" and i was all "Silly old Cow, shouldn't you be fertilizing the ground by now??".

But as OANST said the highest suicide rate is by the Teen, Christian, Queers...so if we educate that Homosexuality is normal and not an evilness that occurs or not weird, maybe the suicide rate would go down as would Homophobia and hate.

And for the people who dislike the Queer lifestyle, do you support Homophobia? (i'm not getting at you, i'm just curious).

Okay, I wouldn't call homosexuals evil........that's downright mean. Everyone is God's child in a sense and is therefore redeemable. We all do bad things and God can help turn us onto the right path. I don't belive in homosexuality, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to deliberately taregt homosexuals with cruelty. My sister was at a waterpark and these guys(she didn't know) were harrasing a Gay couple and tossing stones at them in one of the pools. My sister told those jerks to leave em' alone and she was supremly ticked at how horrible they could treat these people that weren't doing anything wrong. I think it's totally dumb how people say, "Your evil...........You must die," when it is totally not their place to judge at all. People like that think they're "stopping evil" are actually just starting it up themselves.

I personally believe the Ark and the Chariot story on a certain level. But it still doesn't prove that God is real. It does believe that the Bible was written on some true events though. The whole Moses thing was proved to be the events of a Volcanoe erupting. From the Red water, to the flies, to the boils etc. The only thing that they didn't explain was the Death of the first born, which means it may have been added to the Bible to exaggerate it and make it seem more extrodinary.

The Ark thing could have been anything. It would be appreciated if you do scan those books in, but in the end it takes faith to believe its the actual Ark. As far as you know it could be some driftwood from that era. I don't think the whole world flooded either, i think it may have just been a local thing instead of a global thing. But in any case didn't Noah have just his family on the Boat? And didn't God wipe out the entirity of the population of Earth? So doesn't that mean that once again God is encouraging Incest to take place?

Please post more scientific proof.

WHY OLD AND NOT SO TASTY!!! WHY!!!!:crying: I'm not mean to gay people, I just don't aprove of being gay. Don't hate me now old and not so tasty!:crying: Oh well.

Jacob, you never said that if we answered your questions you'd read the BIBLE all the way through and go to church. Will you do that if we answer your q's? :fuzconf:

I thought that what oddguy posted was good evidence! :fuzmad: I don't think that they would add something to the BIBLE to make it more exiting, cause that's just dumb! The BIBLE is a book of history, it's not Lord of the Rings, although they're both good!

Well, Pinky... I suppose he will burn the City of Dis. And knowing you, you would probably laugh at him.
Were these wheels actually found in the Red Sea? If so, I hate to call your fault, but Moses crossed the Sea of Reeds (which was most likely a deep, marshy bay between Egypt and other middle eastern countries), not the Red Sea. That was one of the many typos that occured when translating the Holy Bible from Greek to English. If not, than there is little proof that the "pharoh" was actually chasing Moses at the time.

Your relative's findings on the ark and Soddom and Gammorah are indeed very interesting, but you would think that finds like that would be all over the news, and most people would have heard of those discoveries by now. I'm not saying these things aren't true... it's just a little hard to swallow, that's all.
I have liberal/green party views. And to quote Lewis Black--
"What's the difference between democrats and republicans? Democrats SUCK, and republicans BLOW!"

On a final note (and possible another topic), I don't consider the Bible the word of God, I consider it a work inspired by the word of God. A more fitting title would be "Word of the Saints" or "Word of the Lamb." Just not word of God. God didn't write it. People take it too seriously at times as well; it's a guide to help live your life, not blue prints. I also believe it's in a good need of updating. (Not like that has stopped anyone from changing the Bible before. Hell, Catholic Dogma practically becomes the "word of god" anyway.)