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I have seen other people writing "Yay! 500th post" and I wanted some of the action.

People should be beaten for screwing it up. I mean how hard is it really to think, "Hmm... should this thread about my Encyclopaedia Britannica set be in the middle of General Oddworld Discussion?"

Also you should be harsher on spelling. Some people have spoken English all their lives and still can't spell 'believe'...

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1. Yay 1014th post, what a big number:)

2. Well sometimes, some topic can fit into both category like forum suggestion and help topic can also fit in Off topic, like wise

3. Remember this rule: I BEFORE E EXCEPT AFTER C

Um um I know what spam is!:D Its actually meat that sold in Grocery Stores in a can! :lol:

Anyway back to topic if there is anything to make tough is the spam rules I think but thats just me:D


Paramiteabe...:fuzblink:

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~ddgarcia/gifs/spam.gif

OR

Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.

In other words useless stuff...

I think there should be much more of an effort to make sure posts get put in the right place. Just today I saw a post in the OIPT forum that nothing to do with it, and should have been placed in General Discussion (of course the poster should have done a forum search for the information he was after, but that's not my point). Now it occurs to me that noobs won't actually understand what that forum is all about and so just get confused. Perhaps on top of the actual rules there should be some sort of explanation of what the OWF actually stand for and what some of the less self-explanitory forums are for, and also the Oddworld Questions topic in General Discussion.

The other thing that occurs to me is that quite often people are asking the same questions over and over, and I suddenly realise that is no proper Oddworld FAQ for all these repetative questions. I can sort that out, I've written an FAQ, and I could easily update it and put it up in the TOE construction site, just so newbies can be referred to it. I can probably do that by the end of the day.

Just a couple of suggestions. They're not rules, as such, just my observations that I'm sure you can base rules around. If you agree, of course. Perhaps a new rule could be 'Oi, noob, check this FAQ out,' or just 'Read the rules, already!'.

My main gripes ...

1. Spammers
2. Flamers
3. People that post in the wrong place
4. People that sign up w/ multiple accounts cause they forgot their password and are too lazy to click the "forgot password" link

I also think once we formulate these, that a link should be put in the welcome email that people receive.

I like Max's idea w/ the FAQ. Trouble is if someone is new to Oddworld, they want to know about stuff, and will obviously ask about it. Of course there is the Questions and Answers thread, but people aren't going to be bothered to look through that. If you can write up a FAQ, that would be great Max. You can either host it on TOE, or we can integrate it into the Forums so that it looks like an official part of OWF. Or just create a thread in General Discussion yourself, and get us to stick it and close it. That way you can edit it all there without external linking or needing us to change stuff.

Although I did read some people saying about stickying a bunch of stuff.. we don't want too many sticky threads. So maybe three for General Discussion ... the two that are already there, and the FAQ which will be a closed thread.

I don't think we should be too strict on people who can't spell. Because some people really do have problems spelling. Sure you have lazy people who won't learn, but I knew people when I was in school who genuinely had difficulties spelling. It's unfair to pick on them. But yeah, I'd like to see bad spellers at least make an effort.

Abe Babe...

Though this may not be the best idea, there needs to be something that will actually catch a new members attention, but not like a pop up, or anything like that. Most would close it. I'm thinking more of....

*gasp*

"Introduction To The Oddworld Forums" forum made, to be at the top of Zulag one. This would just include basic information about searches, maybe a summarization of knowledge about new game information, some basic forum rules (with a link to the rules page for the more in depth things), and include the warning system and stuff. Person introductions could be made there instead (really, the subforum is hardly noticable), and since it would be right nest to General Discussion, most new people would see it, no? For the forum description, a nice, bold "THIS IS NOT TO DISCUSS ODDWORLD RELATED ISSUES" might do nicely also. With any luck (of course, who needs luck with my jeneyous brain) this can keep the stupid questions and wrong forum posts down to a minimum. If you wanted to, you could make the psots there not count, right? It seems like anything posted there probably wouldn't actually be of much importance.


*waits for Alcar to come and say theres too many forums as it is*
Though:-p You don't make all deciding factors.

It's spelled jenieyous.
Stoopid...

I think the FAQ is a good idea.
But I don't even get what the hell Majic is on about...
:p

There are too many forums as it is! :p

Seriously, we could integrate a page where people have to read the rules using a javascript timer. We could also include common Oddworld answers, or Max's FAQ.

Alcar...

I guess that would work, but it'd cause a lot of people to stop coming. Maybe a list of rules after log-in that CAN be skipped by pusing "I agree".

As for people with multiple identities, send a warning message if they don't have more than 2 posts after 2 weeks.

As for too many forums: How long is it before you will move a thred to Necrum?

Actually, just because after 2 weeks a member doesn't have 2 posts doesn't mean they have multiple id's. Lots of people simply read the forums and reply to the odd thread. Others simply join and forget about their registration and go off and forget about the forum. The IP search is enough to deal with multiple id's I think. I think we just need a SLIGHTLY stricter control on swearing and a STRICTER control on spam.

And BTW ParamiteAbe, Spam is like a cheap meat substitute. Lots of them have very little meat in them. A little off topic but I just had to post that.

I don;t think an FAQ qould help anyhting here. People will always post in the wrong forum. It is inevitable. The more forums you have, the higher the chance is. I like the Oddworld FAQ, but an FAQ for the board would nto solve anything.

As for swear words, well, I am totally against any sort of censorship. But I do realize that some people are unconfortable with seeing swear words on the screen. I personally think we should all get over that fact these words are "bad" and realize they are jsut words. But there are immature people on the boards who would get an anxiety attack if "bad words" were outlawed with threat of punishment and someone uttered "****". There would be an outcry and a very silly commotion. The sad part is I feel there is a strong chance I will get flamed for saying that last two sentences. So while I feel curses should not be "eliminated" as has been said, try to be immature and not use them like a 10 year old who just found out what the word means. Again, I suppose some people cannot control the urge to type swear words. A shame really.

What people need to realize is that you have to respect other members and not takle the internet so seriously. I mean, what are the chances of any one of us meeting the other unless actual effort is given.


So, that's my basic view on this board, and the one I had when I left a while ago. I suggest offering more to the members, as boredum will lead to more scrutiny and childish name calling.

If you've read this far, just remember that stupidity is the building block of the universe. Jsut keep that in mind. ;)

I agree if it's censoring an opinion, but swear word were designed and are used only to cause offence!
They are words, but words have meanings. While most people will use them from reflex to argue, there might be people using them for what they mean. Yes, they are more than likely immature, but they are flamming, which is againt rules.

Well, that's my view...
Any comment? (Positive or negative)

No, they were designed by people who were bored and wanted something to complain about, so they found a bunch of words and decided to make them all naughty and taboo. There, I think I've made clear my opinion on the matter...

Well, if the worst comes to the worst and somebody flames someone else, we can have a go at them for that. I want to be able to 'swear' for emphasis and slang (although I'm aware I don't much on these Forums), because I don't believe in the inhibition of vocabulary.

My opinion on swearing is that, although many people don't take offense to it, some people do and it is polite (if nothing else) to refrain from swearing if you know some people will get offended.

I actually don't swear for that reason alone. There are a lot of words that I would use if I knew that nobody had a problem with them. But since people do have a problem with them I just use other, "less offensive" words to get my point across.

I haven't really noticed a swearing problem on these forums though, so what's the big deal anyways?

I think, there should be an option to toggle, as to whether you have a censored account. Where any swearwords would not show up for that person, and would be replaced by stars.

I have always wanted to know who decided which words were bad. As if they hadn't been made like that, there would be no problem with people using those words.

well, the "F" word dates back to medieval times.

Fornication Under Consent of the King. you can figure out the rest. So the meaning of the word always curtailed a derogatory meaning because it was a drag to get consent form the king in order to get it on, and people would do so anyway with or without.

anway, what I was saying, stars may work for the curse words, but you would have a lot of spam with just stars made my people out of spite, and just out of immaturity. Sorry, but I have a very pessimistic attitude lately.

MrBoj, fuck comes from the German. There's something on the Internet about it, but I doubt I'll be able to dig it up. That Fornication Under Consent of the King is just a joke. You can read about it's very first appearance in print at Dictionary.com. :)

heheh, I know dude. I was joking myself. I guess I should ahve used a smilley face to show that. heheh, "people would have sex with or without the consent of the king, those bastards!" :fuzgrin:

ah, whatever, nevermind.

I don't really think there's anything wrong w/ swear words in general. I mean, I don't really want to censor them on here ... it's kind of seen as being a little too strict, if that's the right word for it. I would like to think that people are sensible enough to use them at the right times. As long as they are not over-used or are not flaming someone/used offensively, then I don't see a problem with someone using one occasionally, and if appropriate.

I actually saw some forum once that had a user swear option. You could opt to censor swear words or not as part of your user CP. I wonder if it's going to be a vBulletin 3 thing.

And like Fax, I always wondered why swear words were deemed as such ... who decided it was an offensive word and who didn't. Because for each swear word, there is a word that means the same thing basically, but it's not a swear word.

Abe Babe...

And indeed, most swear words have an actual meaning which is not offensive at all, sometimes related to the 'offensive' word's use, sometimes not at all.

I think the "N" word originally meant a type of fish in Africa......but I could be totally off.

As for spamming and unnecessary flamming, It's really hard since this is one of the only Oddworld forums, and certainly the largest. A lot of times people try to be funny and are really just dumb, but the most spam comes from any news being released. This creates a whole bunch of wasted threads asking the same questions that are being discussed already, mostly because people are too lazy to search. So this really reflects the person's actual lifestyle, the internewt being an extension of that. I believe that how people behave on the internet reflects their basic personality in the real world.


no easy solution really.

I've just joined another forum that has the option per user to use the censor. I think it's great, as anyone who wishes to not see such things can switch it off.

I had mine set to swear, by the way :p

It's not a vBulletin 3 thingy, though. But it'd be very simple to add.

Alcar...

THat seems like a great idea for people who don't wantto see swears.
But what about people using them for their full value, causing offence. I guess this would also fall under flamming.

IF you arn't trying to stop people using swear words altogether, then a self-option censor seams the best option.

How true. Very nice point there.

Sometimes. People sometimes act mean online because they know they can get away from it because it's the, well....internet. So chances it can go both ways.

exactly. They know they can get away with it. So they take advantage of the internet, where they couldn't do so in the real world. They are too afraid to behave like an asshole or jerk in school or the workplace, but they can do so on the internet. They have no shame on the internet, and this shamelessness is hidden and controlled in real life by the established ethics we have in the real world. Being rude is easier on the net, but being rude in public, in the real world will get you yelled at and maybe a bloody nose. You dont get yelled at on the net, just get warnings through a MACHINE.

as I've said elsewhere, the internet is reason enough for some people to act like an asshole, just as drugs and alchohol are.

It is easy to be a different person on the net. No-one can see your face or how you react to things, plus the person has time to think about what they type. In the real world some people CAN NOT come up with good witty comebacks very fast. Some not even at all. But on the internet, you think about what you want to type as long as you want............till' you get it just right. This turns the "Whatever you say to me bouces off and sticks to you!" people into big jerks. It may happen more than you think. A guy that's causing a big problem on a forum could just be a loser who failed in the real world and gets a second shot on the net. Scary! :eek:

Help, I'm scared *pulls covers over head*

Hey! You leave my failings alone, damn you!

I personally don't have any trouble with comebacks in the real world. I know my rights, I know my world, I know my vocabulary. It did take literally countless sleepless nights to teach myself all sorts of comebacks and quips, but it was all worth it in the real world.

I treat the internet as an extention of my social and intellectual life. When I am not out on the street meeting people in bars, and shopping for music in stores, I am at home on the net meeting people in chatrooms and forums, and browsing online CD stores.

Obviously I don't just buy music when I am out, but you get the idea.

This forum is much much more than "just a place to talk about oddworld" though. It's turned into a community, and from what I can see; a place to meet like minded indeviduals.

Unfortunately I agree. These are the best forums I have been to. Others have so many people you can't remember who the other members are, or their personalities.
*Hugs members here*

I'm somewhat different here on the forums than I am in real life. In real life I'm funnier, but then I'm also nastier. But my values and beliefs remain intact.

How cruel that I have to go to a Catholic School. There is absolutely no bullying! Occasionally there is a break-out between two people who will fight to the death, but that's about it. Catholic Schools are very different to State Schools... Very different...

There is hardly any structure when it comes to social status either. Sure, we have our defined sport types, intellectuals, computer geeks, no-brainers, etc. But every person is apart of each group in their own way :| It's nothing like American system, though the American system to my understanding could very well not be a total social status system. But only because I have to go off what I've seen and heard.

Alcar...

I've been to only one other forum and it was sooooo boring. I love these forums and I don't plan to go anywhere else. I'm comfortable here and know lots of nice people. Yeah!:fuzgrin:


-oddguy:fuzcool:

I only frequent two forums, and this one is my favorite because its a smaller community.(I dont care if the notice says we have 2000 members we have really only a hundred at most active users here) Plus, I joined here a couple years ago, and have only been at the other star wars forum for about a year. And that forum is gigantic. I dont plan on leaving from here any time soon, I still have plenty of room (suprisingly), and time to be here a lot even during the week to fulfill all my assigned duties.:fuzsmile:

This is the only forum I go to. I've tried other ones, but like everyone else has stated, they're just too damn big. When they're big like that, their strictness on the rules go WAAAYYY down. There's daily flaming, tons of spam topics, and a bunch of other stuff. Basically, this forum is like perfect in its size, and I hope it doesn't change once Steef's game comes out...

Abe Babe and I have decided to close the forums for new registrations when Steef is released ;)

Alcar...

what does that mean exactly. The wording was a little ambiguous. (can't remember how to spell the damn word)

You have to look at the winking motion. It means "come over here, big boy."

Are you coming on to me? I like that.:smokin: