But Bush has indeed said that the loss of civilian life is definitely inevitable. Even in Afghanistan some "smart bombs" missed their targets and caused massive civilian casualties.

As with oil weren't they gonna set fire to their oil reserves or something to keep the Americans at bay? Our petrol (thats what we call gas over here) has gone through the roof in price.

[Edit] UPDATE: US Helicopter crashes in Kuwait, killing 4 US military personnel and 12 British Marines.

8 actually.

I really dont see the fuss. The sooner we can get rid of Saddam, means the sooner we can liberate Iraq. Which is a good thing. Sure, there will be a few deaths but there'd be deaths anyway. Saddam had a womans tongue cut out, dragged in the middle of the street and allowed her to bleed to death for just slandering him. All the people wanting peace are obviously not living in this reality because there is no such thing as peace so everyone saying that just piss off cos there's nothing more annoying than a horde of people wanting something that doesn't exist. Its like me saying "I want a Dinosaur." the fact is they dont exist anymore and so i wont get it...so...yeh, there. Stop going on about peace!!

You do have a point there.

Just the other day in Cleveland there was a riot going on in Public Square of peace protesters and people who are for the American troops and the war. Lets just say that protesting anything now is completely pointless.

I was also listening to the radio and it said this guy in Washington DC hand cuffed himself to a building to protest the war. He disposed of the keys but he accendently cuff himself to the wrong building. It was the insurance building. People were walking in laughing at him and told him that building you want to be at is across the street. They had to call the police to get him loose. Its just that protesting can really get silly in these days.

I laugh everytime I see protesters because I know what they are doing will not work. Maybe back in the sixties during the Vietnam war but now its not working.

Whoops, I stand corrected Jacob.

Sorry to you and everyone else. It's just that as I was finished posting the update came on the CNN coverage and they said the casualties were 16. I checked the site and it's now 12. It's still worrying though, but that type of aircraft was designed in the 60's.

We've got a lot protesters here down under, but what good can they do now. The war has already begun, and it's not as if the troops are gonna turn around and go home, with all that they've accomplished so far.

LOL! Shows he has initiative.

I agree ParamiteAbe.

A sad thing is, i've noticed that a lot of the protesters here in britain seem to be doing it to be "cool" more than anything else. A lot of them are as opinionated as a wet lettuce.

The Leaders of countries are meant to listen to the people... Not ignore them.

And, go Labour! Go Labour! Go Labour! (that is the left winged parliament party in Australia that has once again won the NSW elections!)

Go you left winged buddies! No doubt you know who I'm voting for when I'm old enough :p

Alcar...

im all for war because its the only way to handle it. also why is everyone caring for tyhe iraq civilians? i say screw them, u think they care for us? Of Course NOT. i say screw everyone in Iraq. and i agree with paramite when he said nobody was really helpin ( like the Germans and french). alot of countires dont lift a finger to help. Now if it was the french trade center buildings they would care. Also i think its bs when countries hate america becaise its a fact that we help out more then any other country. And the only countries that get pissed at us are the ones we dont always help out. we are doing countires favors when we help then and now countires hate us for helping other ppl. i think its great that Britain and Australia are on our side helping us fight. i dont live australia but for those of u who do, why do u care that ur men are helping fight for this good cause? ya their has been and will be more casualties but if it is for the better then why not?

i dont know about you guys but id be more then willing to help out my country during a time like this

There are just so many things wrong with that statement I don't think I'll bother explaining, but let's hope the rest of you who actually have brains, are using them.

Oh well, I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion....

Apparently a british helicopter has been shot down by an american patriot (anti missile) missile! No british have actually been killed in combat, all in helicopters!:fuzconf:

How can you say such a thing? The reason people care is because they have hearts.

Alcar...

They would care for us but their government sows a really negative image of the western world. By saying we shoot kids and stuff like that.

I hate that how we're getting all those casualties from accidents. First there was the US helicopter crash, then the collision of the two British helicopters, followed by the American grenade incident, and now the Patriot Missile mishap.

My deepest sympathy and respect for the family of the first Australian casualty, camera-man

Paul Moran

who is survived now by his wife and seven month old daughter.

How can anyone say this has anything to do with 9/11? It is totally seperate. Saddam did not give the order to fly planes into the twin towers.
I see Australia also use excuses such as the Bali (sp?) bombing as a reason to go to war. They are totally seperate incidents. George just wants to make daddy proud.

Look the point of all of this is that we Americans are liberators and we are liberating an opressed country. nobody ever said that this will be a walk in the park. We are not going in to kill off civilians. The iraqis do that. And what they are doing is showing the world propaganda to everyone makeing everybody say that America is the bad guy and we are to blame. The Iraqi solders are dressing up like civilians for crise sake or makeing the civilians walk out into the street to be humen shields when we go and bomb. Thus resulting in more hatred towards us. I just find it annoying when other countries are saying we are the terrorists and the evil doers of this world when it was them who flew the damm planes into the Twin Towers. So now all that we are doing is protecting ourselves from this. There is no winner in a war but when its unevitable then what can you do?

So now you have untold thousands of people around the world thinking that the Americans are the Fu!king Nazi party when that is like such total bull sh!t! Why? Because of all the propaganda. Now tell me one thing when we do find weapons of mass destruction and chemical war heads (not to mention we already have found gas masks and chemical suits hidden in an Iraqi stronghold by the way.) what are you going to say then? What gets me is why people are thinking that we are the next Nazis? I mean do you see us throwing Jews into Death Camps? I think that comparison is absurd and crazy. And I cannot tolerate such a comparison as a U.S citizen. Has everyone forgotten that we have been at war ever since 8 A.M on September 11th 2001? This is another part of over all war on Terrorism.

You the people are not the liberators, Bush doesn't give a stuff about you or any other American.

You are comparing to the Nazis and Hitler, well in my opinion it wasn't Hitler that was the worst. He was being JUST like your President, he wanted a better country for the Germans, he saw that the Jews were better off and that his people were poor and suffering. Now, don't get me wrong what happened to the Jews was very, very bad. However, like I said, I think that it was Hitler's General that was the real mastermind behind it all. I think that also, it is the people alongside Bush that are doing things that Bush doesn't know about.

But, a lass, Bush won't die. Because after all, he is evil. And we all know my saying that all the good Presidents were shot (besides Mr Bill Clinton).

No war is good, and how do you know that what you are being shown is not propaganda? After all, everything in the news about this war is filtered AND propaganda is meant to sound true. So, how do you know what we are being force fed is the truth?

You don't, afterall;

The first casualty of war, is truth

Alcar...

If they wanted to be liberated then why are so many fighting against you?

No it wasn't!!! This is just the excuse America is using when they are totally seperate incidents.

The key word here being "when". And you aren't letting anyone look anymore anyway, it's all attack, attack, attack.

That could mean they are in fear or the U.S. using chemicals. I know the U.S. aren't that stupid but... oh wait... yes they are.

Saddamm may terrorize his own citizens but when recently has he done it to you?

1st Because everyone thinks the U.S are the Nazis. Second its seems everyone is supporting Terrorism so thus everyone hates us because we are a country who is a freedom loveing country which could mean that everybody is just jealous with us. Is that not true?


What hell are you talking about excuse? Its the truth Terrorist did fly into our buildings. Wether you like it or not the truth of the matter is that these people need to be punished not the civilians the Government. I mean what these people do is completly inhuman. They killed thousands of lives and you want us to sit back and let the masacure continue? I am sorry but I am tired of being in the company of death. You don't mess with us! Oh here is another thing where were you people at when we were fighting in Kosovo during the Clinton era? This is no different. Gee why all of a sudden do you hate us? Could it be because Bush is President? Well if Clinton was doing this would you think the same as you do now? Or even better yet what about Al Gore? If he did this would you be the same now?

He hasnt done it to us but he will and we are preventing that from ever happening. So go ahead complain that we are the evil people of the world and that Bush is Adolf Hitler. Because it is all just a big joke!

All I have to say is one thing what a mess the world is in right now!

Firstly i agree with Alcar on the Hitler thing, due to the fact that documents have been discovered that show that Hitler didn't know about most things that went on. Also, the concentration camps were brought forth during the last 2 yrs of the war and not only Jews got thrown in them, other minorities did (such as gays and blacks, i do believe).

Out of pure fear, if they dont fight then Saddam will have them and their families executed. Quite like Stalin did with the purges...

Who the Hell has said that the USA is supporting Nazism?? I haven't heard anything about that!! I've just heard that the US is supporting War due to the fact it got one Hell of a shock when two planes went and crashed up its ass...

Firstly nobody is supporting Terrorism. If i were to get technical i would state that the only people supporting terrorism was the Americans themselves as they helped put the President of Korea (whom is a total f*ckwit) into Government. Also, your not a freedom loving country due to the fact you have hordes of Bible-bashers hindering the Tv companies and such like.

Yes, but Saddam never had anything to do with it. Bush stated that he had substantial proof that Saddam and Osama were friends, but he hasn't showed it. Osama hasn't got no connections with Saddam...

Precisely. Upto now Saddam hasn't used any weapons of mass destruction. Also if Saddam did have any do you really think that the Americans would be invading?? No, due to the fact that if they did Saddam would merrily drink some 1770's Red Wine whilst pushing the button that unleashes his weapons. Before the Americans even got near the Iraqi border New York would be flattened...or disease ridden.

I'll ponder whether the photo's were fake or not...

The fact of the matter is, is that the US has never experienced an act of aggression on their home turf. So when two planes merrily get hijacked and skip into the Two Towers then the Americans are like;

"Like, O-M-G...What do we, like, do!! This is, like, totally, like, wrong and...like...stuff!! O-M-G!!"

And go on the offensive. Oh well, at least you got a kick in the ass...unfortunatly its resulted in the Americans going all trigger-happy...joyfulness.

I think The Oddworld Forums should bomb The Glass Asylum...:D :D

Your right MojoMan we need to go and blow up the Glass Asylum. As God as my witness we will bring down the Glass Asylum!

Oh, quiet you two. You'll all be laced with our anthrax before you can bomb anything. :D

I had never once heard the U.S refered to as the Nazis until you yourself did. Who are you supporting again?

If you are so very freedom loving then why don't you let the Iraqis have the "freedom" to do what they want?

Yes, but these people are not the Iraqis!

So terrorists could have attacked any one else and it wouldn't matter?

I can't comeback on that one. I know something happened in Kosovo a while back but I wasn't old enough to care.

You have started attacking him and he hasn't done anything!

I don't think the U.S is evil. More wrong. Wrong for starting an un-needed war.

Yes indeed. I love to laugh while watching the news and hearing more civilians have died.

Ah but I don't know why I am bothering arguing. You will probably blow yourself up anyway.

I'm with SeaRex, The Glass Asylum hasn't done anything to us. They haven't posted anything hateful towards in ages, I don't think it's fair that we should be the ones keeping alive the hatred.

We've gone our seperate ways, and many people believe that it was for the best. On both sides.

Alcar...

1. I heard some people say we were related to the Nazis.

2. We are, as soon as we destroy their Governments and rid them of Saddam. It's called liberation.

3. It doesnt matter Saddam supports terror and its not only Afgans that we are after. The war is more complex than one country. Its not only Afganistan and Alquida. Its all Terroist groups. We are not after the regular people its the Terrorist in which we are after. So that puts on a very complex situation because terrorist hide and dress just like us so it is very difficult to determine where these people are and who the enamy really is. That is why we are seeing a lot of mistakes unfortunately.

4. It would too matter, your country or Government would feel the same way we do if you were attacked in a way that changed the lives of thousands. Don't you realise why we are doing this? We are trying to protect ourselves thats all.

5. Well the whole point of that statement was that I was trying to get across to you that when we were fighting in other wars like Kosovo during the Clinton era there wasant such a negitive feeling towards us because we went in there and help those people very much so like Iraq. Again I say We are not after Iraqis its the terrorist and the Governments and regimes who have put these countries into a liveing hell. You know there are Iraqis who are inviteing us into their country to liberate them from a tirant. Some of them are actually glad that we are doing this.

6. Yes he has, he has been killing his own people. And maybe he dident do anything to us but we take stuff like that seriously. Cutting someone to bleed to death in the streets because they expressed their feelings to the Government is not right. We are helping them out to get rid of Saddam. He is attacking Kawait too.

7. We dident start the war, Alquida did and the war has moved on to Iraq. Don't you realise that? Maybe Saddam dident do anything to us but it doesnt mean he is doing it to other people of the world. We got to put a stop to this.

8. I am not blameing you I am trying point out on how this is such a mess.


You know this is the same arguement over and over again so you have the right to your opinions the same as I have the rights to my own opinion about the situation where in other countries like Iraq you have no rights to your own opinion and if you were caught you would be killed. I am not going to argue about this anymore. I said my point and obveously we have different views on the matter and thats cool so lets leave it at that ok?

Yeah, even though there were a couple things I wanted to argue back I really can't be bothered.

I'd like to add in one last thing.

If after every war, everyone then labels it as being bad, and not needed. What difference is there with this war?

Alcar...

There is no difference in this war. It is just as bad as preveious wars. I don't like war as much as anyone else does. But I really do balieve the motivation in this war is for peace. I was going on about how we need to get rid of Saddam because he is a ruthless dictator and that he supports Terrorists whome are un just and want us to be afraid of them. If that happens then they won. Saddam said it himself. He said "The Terrorist are the apple of his eye!"

The Iraqi people, at least most of the civilians want us to liberate them. They are glad we are there to do it. Granted its not a pretty picture, but ultimately that country will be liberated and free. If people want peace you have to really fight for it. Freedom doesn't come on a silver platter.

I might not like the idea in which my president did but I do balieve he is doing his best to keep us Americans safe. You have to admit we havent seen one terrorist attack on our nation since September 11th not one. And lets keep it that way. I think he is doing a great job in protecting us. That and I do balieve so far this war has been to our favor. Spite of the mishaps and casulties which is still pretty insunificant compared to other wars amazes me. I think the Regime is loseing its power slowly but surely. But still we are at war and there is still unkown verables to deal with here. But up to now 14 days into the war I truely balieve our plans are working. :fuzcool:

The fact is, is that the Iraqi's are using Guerrilla tactics. No War in the History of wars has been won when one of the warer peeps has used Guerrilla tactics. The Americans got their ass kicked in the Vietnam war cos of Guerrilla warfare and its gonna happen again. Just because America is a super power doesn't mean it will win everything. And besides, America has never won a war un-assisted.

On a lighter note the only way the Americans can get rid of Saddam Hussein is to nuke Iraq, which will then cause the Chinese to retaliate and kick America's ass. And i personally would love to see a battle between China and America, China having over a million troops and all and having nukes and such like...

On another lighter note the CIA actually trained Osama Bin Laden to fight the Soviets in the Afghan war. The supplied him with weapons and him and others whom hated Communism kicked the Soviets ass' using Guerrilla warfare...

Sorry I just couldn't stay away.

There weren't happening everyday before that either.

The Boer War. The English won that when the Boers were using guerilla warfare.


But America, just remember you made Saddam who he is by giving him all those weapons to fight Iran with.

The key word there being "English"...

i dont care, as long as we win!