Chill! I wasn't making a jab at you, I was making a simple observation, trying to solve a disagreement so that we could get back on topic. There is no need to be so defensive all the time...

I'm not defensive all the time. It's insulting epsecially if you are not in america. But seriously, with no arguements, Was it statistics you were looking at or heard?

Yes.

But as for statistics, I don't consider myself one or New York state. They are a bunch of lies, and schizophrenia, evasions, folly, and hatred.

Edit: Also, it's not always the education systems which are bad. It can be the students. Some students don't apply them selves and plan not to do the work, which makes failing grades. I think that's why they think the education system is bad. In fact, I found a website which talks positive on American education, not negative.

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I've often heard that as an excuse used by failing schools. The truth is, if the system of education was well-planned and engaging, more students would apply themselves and make the most of their abilities.

No, because you are going to have kids who don't care about their future. Kids fail everywhere.

Edit: I mean, why keep trying to help a kid when they don't want the help? Teachers are like "Hey, it's your grades, I'm getting paid. If you don't want my help fine then fail." No ones going to hold you by the hand in the real world. it's hard out there.

Pinky, nobody doesn't care about their future. Poor education is not the fault of the students (who are often blamed), the schools (who are often blamed), or the teachers (who are often blamed). It is the fault of the Education System itself. My mother went to an Open-Plan school, which was a school where you got to choose what you learned each day, and basically do what you wanted. It was part of a short-term scheme that was operating around the time when she was a child. The average grades of the students from Open-Plan Schools was 2 (count 'em, 2) grades higher than that of ordinary Comprehensives. Sadly, the scheme came to an end, and the Open-Plan Schools were shut down, because (get this!) they weren't profitable enough! Can you imagine that? The Government cared more about profits than about the Education of its youth! *shakes head* And people say that Labour are worse than the Tories... How short our memories have become...

Huh? What have you been drinking?

Oh my goodness, how can you say that? Is it the education system's fault if a kid does not want to do his homework? Study for a test? Decides not to study for an exam because he has to go to the movies with his friends and fails it the next day? Yes, it's their responsibility to supply the education and books etc, but us, the students, have to do the work also and that is to participate in class and do our homework. That's our responsibility.

That's mad

Yes, but why does the student not want to do his work? It's because schools are not engaging with the students any more. Schools are concentrating more on a fixed curriculum, and working towards grades, rather than towards actual learning...