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Wil 07-16-2002 06:39 PM

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Although there is great scientific evidence for them, no-one has seen one and we cannot prove they exist.
Really? I thought they had found black holes, and even super black holes at the centre of all galaxies. Unless Horizon was lying, or not pointing out that the entire hour-long program was based on theories.

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Depends on what you mean.
And so begins the Science Squad.

Were we talking about Glukkons?

Mac the Janitor 07-16-2002 06:48 PM

Yeah, how'd we get from Glukkons to black holes?

Wil 07-16-2002 07:10 PM

We were talking about how Oddworld's scientific background is different to ours.

Mac the Janitor 07-16-2002 07:18 PM

Ah. Ok. I must have dozed off.

*body goes limp, loud snoring heard*

Kaimana 07-17-2002 12:47 AM

so now that we got this far what is the case or reasoning of the M.O.M? and what are the historic backgrounds of the three executives Phleg, Dripik, and Aslik?

Jacob 07-17-2002 01:20 AM

M.o.M was originally brought about by the Gluk Mafia. Thats all i know...

Intern_485 07-17-2002 01:35 AM

Glukkons' Legs
 
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that the Glukkons once had legs that they walked on. Executive worker class Glukkons walk on their hands because their legs are only "vestigial" stubs. Since vestigial is defined as a remnant of something that had once existed, it is apparent that the Glukkons once had four limbs rather than the two that you see in the past Oddworld games. You can see the tiny little "legs" hanging from Molluck in Abe's Oddysee's good ending when his suit is electrocuted off. (They're not what he was walking on.)

Kaimana 07-17-2002 01:38 AM

Well they may seem useless but are still concidered limbs. so are you suggesting that they used to walk on there feet other then hands?

Intern_485 07-17-2002 02:23 AM

Yes
 
Yes, because of Oddworld Inhabitants' use of the word "vestigial." That would mean that their legs were once larger, more muscular and a hell of a lot more useful than they are now. I just don't know what happened to Glukkons' legs.

Kaimana 07-17-2002 02:29 AM

Well we find that Glukkons were desendents of octigi. and as we can see in the family pic that the Glocktigi has octopus tentacles. whatever happend to the legs is a form of evolution there came a time were the legs were not needed. why i dont know?:fuzconf: i suppose a theory can be made.

Mac the Janitor 07-17-2002 03:19 AM

Welcome, Intern 483!

Wow, that's interesting. I've never heard of that before...

One, Two, Middlesboogie 07-17-2002 01:02 PM

Although the definition of 'vestigial' is a now-useless (or nearly useless, in the case of the Glukks; I reckon they can still use their legs for holding things) remnant of something once used a lot (like our vestigial tail vertebrae, nictitating membranes and appendices [which were once caecums]), I don't think that the Glukkons ever walked on their legs. It is highly unlikely that the two pairs of limbs could swap functions like that. If you look at the picture of the octigi family, the Gloktigi and one of the 0.something ones (the small one; not the one supposedly in the mafia) are standing on their front limbs. I reckon the Glukkons used their legs for picking up and manipulating things, and that they had opposable toes as well as opposable thumbs (like a lot of Earthly primates [in fact, I think humans must be the only primates without opposable toes]). But now they use the Sligs do do all their work for them, so their legs have at least atrophied if not become vestigial.
When Molluck has his clothes burned off in AO, he appears to only have one toe on each foot, which would mean that his legs are useless and vestigial (you can't manipulate much with one digit), unless the Glukkons have one large toe and one or two smaller ones (like ostriches, emus and rheas) on each foot that we didn't see.

To answer Kaimana's questions:

so now that we got this far what is the case or reasoning of the M.O.M?

I don't think it's anything less innocuous or more suspicious than an ordinary news network, like CNN or London Tonight.

and what are the historic backgrounds of the three executives Phleg, Dripik, and Aslik?

I've long had a theory that Phleg is not in fact one of the many children of Queen Margaret. He looks totally different from all his peers. His skin is a totally different colour (all the other Glukks are purplish-brown [apart from the Brewmaster, who's greenish because he spends so much time amongst vats of chemicals], but Phleg's more yellowy-chestnut brown), he's far chunkier, wider and more prognathous, and his eyes are a lot closer together. I reckon that there are in fact several queens in each species (although Skillya is the only Slig queen that the Cartel knows about; the others must be in hiding), and Margaret is simply the main, or leading Glukkon queen, and her children get priority for job places in the Cartel. Phleg probably had to get quite a few strings pulled (I like to think that he's also more intelligent than most Cartelian Glukks) to get such a high position in the Magog world.

Oddsville 07-17-2002 01:11 PM

Hmmm, I like that Idea Middlesboogie. I could quite possibly be true (and I think it is). I would love to hear about other Glukkon queens that are lower than Maggie, prehaps Lulu came from a different Gluk queen? But I kinda doubt it sience Maggie was gonna have Lulu be the proprioter to Rupture Farms.