I think killing a clone is awful! Why would you want to make a clone in the first place when he turns out to be bad? That's what I don't get.

ok say that the clone has killed people before, but only people that are trying to kill it. I still wouldn't kill the bastard because they clone will only rebel because it is scared or insecure

Nalaka, have you not been listening? Clones are normal people. They are no different to anyone else. Asking whether you'd kill a clone is no different ethically from asking if you would commit murder.

Have you guys listen to what I said? Why make a clone when it's going to turn out bad?

when it will turn bad? it is no more likely to be bad than anyone else. even if it had no soul (so to speak) it would not neccisarily be bad.

No like the taking over the universe destroying the human race bad.

Clones are human but they are artificial. They aren't considered citizens because the human that was cloned would have taken its spot and the clone will think of itself as the rightful owner of that identity...hense the madness

1. I know some governments may not let artificially cloned beings have the same rights as the rest of the beings but most governments have more sense than Bush's!

2. You obviously don't understand that when people are cloned a big machine doesn't make an exact copy of a person including memories and accuired phenotypes.
A clone is not going to be the same person as the person they were cloned from!

Human clones "aren't considered citizens" -- by whom? They don't exist yet, and I sure hope no legislature in the world has wasted its time establishing the legal status of clones.

The thing (person) in real life most closely analogous to a clone is an identical twin. Identical twins are genetically identical because they come from a fertilized egg -- containing a complete set of genetic material -- that divides in two before undergoing further cell division and differentiation. Each has a copy of the same DNA, but they're still two different people.

A clone is (would be) a person, and it is completely absurd to suggest that a clone should be treated under a different set of moral, ethical, or legal standards than any other person.

'KILL THE CLONES'
 

Even though a clone is living, it's evil :fuzvamp: - :flames: to create humans. Natuaraly, it is the biggest sin of all!

My uncle once said 'kil the clones--we must kill the clones' as a crack up joke! :lol: IT IS TRUE -CLONES MUST DIE!!!


Mudokon101...

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If there where every any clones I doubt that they would be evil. They would probably be more depressed than anything, to know that your not origanal, that you have no real parents or relatives would be awefull. I would think that the clone would commit suicide because there are no solutions for their problems?:fuzsad: :fuzconf:

Mudokon101,
Clones are not evil.
What is the biggest sin of all?

Oddsville,
Of course artificial clones aren't original, neither are natural clones. That is no reason to feel depressed. Anyway, they will only be genetically unoriginal they won't be phenotypically unoriginal.
The clones will still be human beings therefore they will have the right to some kind of family even if it's only a foster home or an orphanage.
What problems do these clones have?

Why is everyone so against Cloning? It's been going on for millenia! Have you ever eaten a Potato? Most of them are cloned. Carrots? Cloned. Strawberries? Cloned...

What!!? Potatoe? Strawberries? What were you smoking?:fuzconf:

Hash, but that's beside the point.

Strawberries and Potatoes are often grown from cuttings. Plants grown from cuttings share their donors' Genetic Structures, and so are technically Clones.

Human clones bad I think. Food clones good. Saves world hunger if possible.:D

So what (morally) is the difference between Plant Cloning and Human Cloning? Just that one's harder to do?

Um, you can eat one.... It's not living.

well, how do you know. we dont know for sure soemthing we havent proven, if brain waves and stuff arent omitted that doesnt mean they dont think. it could be other sort of signal, who knows. nothing has for sure been set down and proven, there technicly is no "100%" because who knows, theres still an eternity to come and what we humans have seen so far will only be a milisecond in the far distant future, there is always an exception.

I refuse to believe you are serious. Has Biology not taught you anything? Did they not tell you what Life was? About MRS NERG? About the fact that PLANTS ARE ALIVE?

*raspberries*
 

OMG. I think you need to sharpen up on you Biology. Plants are not alive! They don't breathe! Talk! Walk! That's what I meant.nd I know they drink water and need food, and they are living. Humans do. They are autotrophs. WE are heterotrops. See, Biology has taught me stuff so *raspberries* I don't think you can understood my last post.

Re: *raspberries*
 

"Alive" and "Living" mean exactly the same thing...

Re: Re: *raspberries*
 

They don't breathe. or talk. They can make their own food. We can't. Are you trying to compare humans and plants? Have you gone insane? You actually thought that? Are you on purple Hills?

Did I say Plants breathed and talked? No.
Did I say Plants were Human? No.
Did I even say that Plants were Animals? No.

All I said was that they are alive, IE they fulfill all of the criteria required for life. That is why they are classified as such...

You don't even know what your talking about. :rolleyes:

I did'nt said you did say those things. I asked you did you actually thought that they breathe? There's a difference.

Anyways, pototoes and humans are not the same so case closed.

Don't provoke me, Quorisha. You know damn well that I know more about what I'm talking about than you do...

Of course I don't actually think they breathe. Do you think that Mayonnaise is Purple?

Look, can I flame her, Admins? I think she's given me more than enough provokation now... Seriously, Quor, you know full well that I didn'y say potatoes were the same as Humans. I said they were both alive. Having one thing in common does not mean things are the same. Water and Mercury are both liquids, so does that make them the same?

*rolls eyes* whatever I don't want to argue with you. Your doing ll the cussing and yelling not me. I was trying to answer your question. Also, how many times do I have to tell you not to call me by my real name.

Anyways, Oddbodd, are you still discussing this in your religion class?

Well why don't you stop, then?

Like when? Point out one point in this topic where I started yelling and/or swearing. You can't. Go on. Try.

I never asked a question. I simply stated that Plants were alive. In another topic, I asked "Where did you get the connection between Polyamory and Incest?", and you blatantly avoided the question, you didn't try and answer it.

Besides, why do you always have to turn everything I ask into an argument, anyway?

Why don't you be mature and stop then. Your complaining about arguments and everything, but your the main one who wants to argue with someone.


You said the Damned. You did'nt have to say all that now.

I don't always turn what you say into arguements. I don't want to argue with you so leave me alone and let me go to bed. Night

Also, "Polyamor" and "Incest", wrong topic.

danny, sorry to say this, but your attitude toward pinky doesnt help at all. you just accuse her, your being just as much provocitive as she is, probably more. you two need to find a way to settle arguments, these things between you two soemtimes get out of hand.

See? You say provokative things like this (which are blatantly not true), and then you're surprised when people don't like it...

I said what? I never even mentioned the Damned! And since when has mentioning the Damned been "yelling and cussing"...

If you so want to be "left alone", why do you always say such provokative things, and then pretend the other person started it?

That is why I said they were... I know English isn't your first language, so I'm sorry if I sound patronising, but maybe you oughtn't argue in a language that you don't seem to grasp well...

What did I do? Tell me where I'm going wrong with these arguments, because as far as I can see, all I've done is point out that Plants are Alive, told her why, and defended myself from her attacks!

*RAISES ARM*

ROUND ONE........fight!

1. It's called constructive criticism. You never take criticism. I'm just telling the truth. You do complain when people argue with you and you want to stop, but if the person does not want to argue with you, you get mad and want to argue somemore.

@Does "Don't provoke me, Quorisha. You know damn well that I know more about what I'm talking about than you do..." ring a bell? See, you get mad when people want to argue with you, but when people don't want to argue with you, you get mad even more and want to argue just as much. I know, I said it twice but I just want you to realize where I'm coming from. I think your being kinda hypocritical.


@I didn't say such provokative things. You get yourself angry over something that's not even provokative. That's just an excuse so you can try to argue with someone. If people say they want to be left alone, then leave them alone. Seems like you can't understand English Comprehension because if you told me to stop, I will stop believe me.

@Ha! I can find some post when your English was awful. You don't have perfect english your self. Your not sorry. If you prefer people with perfect english and perfect people to be your friends then you are not going to have many friends. Some of my friends don't speak perfect english and it's their first language! I really don't care because no one speaks perfect english. Some Hispanics don't speak perfect spanish, like my uncle. He gets his conocers and salirs mixed up.

@I only told you the difference between humans and plants. I left that alive mess alone after you started to argue because It took me a long time to realize that you want to win an arguement all the time. Plants are living. But they don't talk and breathe or have feelings like humans. I don't know how you got an argument from that Dan.

no.
 

like sombody said before,you don't really have the right to kill something anyway so I wouldn't

1. The only times when Dan's English has been bad enough to call aweful is when he was stoned or drunk.

2. You said plants weren't living/alive. Dan told you that they are.
And how does talking, breathing or emotions make something living or non-living?

1. So? I have friends who are more drunk and crazy and they can spell. I don't know if Dan's drunk or not. So that's not a excuse. He should not post then. He still can't judge no one's English. He always thinks that he has perfect English all the time, I know I don't.

2. No comment, I'm not going to answer that because I explained already what I meant.

No
 

Nah! Don't think so, unless he'd concer my room. :lol:
:lol:

Well... I don't think cloning is right, and neither are "designer babies". That would take all the fun out of studying genetics. And, no, I would never kill a clone because they are living, too.

BTW, Jacob, interesting avatar. What is it? (I mean, I know it's a Slig, but, I haven't seen an avatar like that before.)

I've already stated my opinion on this subject, I'm only returning here because of the argumentation between Quorisha and Danny. Look, I don't want to take sides on this one, but these kind of fights seem to happen every time Danny and Quorsh drop into a "polemical" topic involving religion or science in any degree.

We need to agree to something: a topic is created to talk about a given subject: this particular one is the "moral implications of being a human clone".

The subject is "attacked" by people that come here to state their opinion on the matter. I'll repeat, people come here to attack the subject, not other people.

I'm reluctant to say that in this case (Danny versus Pinky), most of the time Pinky is the first one to throw her rock toward Danny. Danny did that some times in the past, but it was a while back I saw it the last time.

My opinion: in a discussion between two individuals, if someone stops to defend his/her point of view and starts to directly attack the other person, it's because either he/she recognized that his/her own point of view is weak, or he/she doesn't have the power to attack the other person's statements.

Now, make your time and think about these words, and grow wiser, for the sake of the whole Oddworld on-line community. ;)

nope, it was one of those...side off convos that classes often do. We are learning constantine! woohoo!