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All of the classic and favorite bands for me are all or almost all guys. If a chick could play the bass like Les I would be impressed, but then again that wouldn't make her as good as claypool. I like a guy vocalist in a band way more than a girl lead vocalist, all right. Wow a few good bands, Dan, but kitty is no Slayer, all right. They aren't pantera or iced earth or morbid angel. good granted, but not epic. also, you would be a fool to deny that the miltary is built almost exclusivly on the oppressed backs of men alright. Women will get into college at a rate of almost 10 for every six by 2007. They almost always get payment and custody of children and all major assets after a divorce. I should know because my mother and father are divorced and are not friendly at all. They hate each other with an undying furvor. Guys are usually classified as learning disabled and disturbed. It is damn hard to be a guy in this world. Girls make way more moey, outway a guy in monetary assets by 141% and have hundreds of organizations looking out soley for them. Once aain guys are on the short end of the stick. So, Surfacing is right about the bands and the military and I am his men's lib supporting shill.

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Finally somebody thinking clearly!, It's true Military and bands are a man job, sure women can join in but they will never be as good.

For me anyways, this topic was meant to be as fluffy as cotton candy, and not a battle of the sexes. Anywho, if you are to tag me as a hypocritical misogynist, I would like to say this. I wasn't serious about the title! It was an attention grabber, no more no less. Well, i kind of intended it as a quasi joke about how different sports would be coed and if people would think it would be interesting. Well, now that the topic has degenerated into a sprawling debate about misogynism, let's define this term. Isn't a misogynist someone who enjoys watching and making women suffer? I'm certainly not that. I'm just going out on a limb to say that girl bands often aren't as good as all guy bands and that the military is, was, and always will be unfortunatly, male dominated! If you examine these statements without shrill name calling, you will see how logical they are.
Also, props to Surfacing for at least making this into a good discussion instead of something about how much pain a gender can take.

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Ahh yes, I forgot the mile-stone all bands are measured against was Slipknot's Army. Who could beat the vocal talents of Captain Clown-Face or Nail Bob-Head? I very much doubt a mere female could sound anything like the Almighty Slipknot! No sirey!


And now to the non-ironic part of my post...
Well if you're going to like a band like Slipknot who shout incoherently and loud as far as I can tell, I don't suppose you would think much of females in the music industry.


And now to the overly-exaggerated part of my post...
We'd better look out for this one in the future, he'll be telling tabloids that any kind of failure such as loosing a penny is the fault of those damned women!
(A bit like Hitler, Fallwell and Anderson)

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It's not just Slipknot i love, there a plenty of other bands i like e.g

*Metallica
*Linkin Park
*Limp Bizkit
*Slayer
*Fear Factory
*Mudvayne
*Disturbed
*Kryptonite
*Alien ant farm
*Greenday
*Offspring
*Blink 182
*System of a down
*American Hi fi


You see! it's not just all about slipknot, I don't know about you but most of those bands i just listed are not Neo metal bands, And they are all male bands!

What is the point in arguing about music? Everyone's tastes are different. Surfacing, posting that list didn't impress anyone (I like 3 of the bands off your list), and it was pointless. You like certain bands, other people like others. I didn't post that list of female artists to start an argument about musical tastes, I posted it to show you that women can quite easily and successfully make it into the music business (not the pop business, either - notice that all of my list were either proper bands or fronted proper bands). Now that I have made my point, can we drop that one, since we've already established that it is entirely down to opinion...

1. I will take this as hyperbole, since men have never been oppressed...

2. Statistics are bollocks. Predicted Statistics are even worse. How could anybody possibly know what proportion of different sexes will get into College by 2007?

3. That is because, generally speaking, women are better at taking care of children than men. That is not a discussion point, it is a fact.

4. What the hell are you talking about here?

5. Socially, I think you're right here, women have it easier. But on the other hand, they have a harder time getting a decent job, they have to suffer the discrimination of the many mysoginists in the world (mentioning no names), and have you ever tried having a period? Things are improving, but the sexes are not equal yet, not by a long chalk. This topic itself proves that...

6. Bollocks.

7. Equally bollocks. Plus you misspelled "outweigh"...

8. When men are as disadvantaged as women have been over recent years, then they'll get their pressure groups...

9. Leaving aside my own opinions here, in what way has anything you have said here had anything to do with the Military, or anything to do with Bands (apart from your own tastes)?

10. That is your opinion. What use is it here? How can you expect us to look at your opinion and conclude that it is "logical"? My opinion happens to match yours here, but that doesn't mean that Women are incapable of making good music (which was what Surfacing was saying), as my list proves...

11. We are not arguing that is IS male-dominated. What Surfacing is saying (and what we are disagreeing with) is that it should be male-dominated...

I heard bits and pieces on this discussion the males are physically stronger than women.That's so totally a load of crap.Most of the outcomes I've seen in these discussion alone is that the individual is bad,not the female.Females,in my brain,can be equal to men in every way.Even strength.

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Recent poll has been taken to show that the men who state that women are the stupider and weaker sex...have no balls...due to the fact women have kicked them in that area. Basically...men need women for physical pleasure...men overlook this when stating that women are stupid. Women also have more stamina and are alot easier to get along with than men...i cant stand the male sex...bastards the lot of them. Women...they kewl th0.

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No, No-doubt.

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YES!:D:D:D Beer guzzling, pot-belly, homer simpson male race!

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lol to what Pinky put. What makes me laff is that males way of thinking...especially straight males. Its like 'Whoa...he cross' his legs when he sits...he so must be gay' or 'Look at him...he dunt play/like sport...he has to be a puff' while women jus' think 'He mite be gay...he mite not be...lets ask' and actually ask the peep if they are gay or straight. And if they get the answer to be 'I'm straight' they dont do...what man str8 lads do...go like 'Ur so not str8...look at u...u must bat 4 pakistan' Also women (Non-butch women of corse) Dont make inuendo's up and then laff at them...such like...'Lord of the Rings' (

The frequent use of bullocks has left me confused. Dan, isn't a bolluck a bull without it's, uh, balls. At least that is what it means in farmsburg U.S.A. True, it is all musical taste. Secondly, although I hear where you are coming from Surfacing you put like the godfather of all satanic thrash metal("All the best rock bands come from hell" Sifl and Olly) on the same list as Blink 182! What next? Anthrx with N'Sync? U2 with Megadeth? Tell me when it will all end, the hating and the fights, the odd musical taste and gender inequality?!! Why Sweet Jesus, why!!!

Chris, I hate to have to point this out, but you're not gay... You really shouldn't need reminding of this... :D To the best of my knowledge, Tom and myself are the only people remotely homosexual on the forums...

How would you know? Did you ask everyone? I thought you were bisexual.

Danny the reason i put up a list of bands i like is to firstly to prove how many i like and also to prove that they were all male bands, the whole point of listing them was to show that the majority of great bands around the world are yes male. I'm sure you like more male bands than female bands, arn't i right?

Bisexual is more homosexual than hetrosexual is. I'll draw a diagram...

Hetro Bi Homo
See, Bi is closer to Homo than Hetro is!

And yes, Dan asked. Sydney also asked in his questionnaire.


Stattik, Dan said 'bollocks', not 'bullocks'!
Bollocks are those things that, according to Chris, you either don't have or will soon lose!

That list proved nothing though. Can't you see that you can't use your own opinions to try and prove something that is objective?

Yes, I do. In what way does that make you right? Just because most of the bands we like are male, that does not mean that they are the only great bands. Different people's opinions are different, in case you haven't noticed. I find it irritating that not only do you use objective terminology to describe something that is inherently subjective (and, in fact, can never be anything but), but also you seem to actually believe that your opinions are absolute. The majority of the bands I like are also male, but I am able to see that that is my own opinion, and therefore I do not make sweeping objective statements about all female musicians...

You see how ironic this is, i'm saying men have better bands and i'm taking this argument up with a male! i should be argueing with a female but obviosly female's agree with me cause they are not responding to what i'm saying, i want to argue this point to a female, what's the point of you argueing with me Rettick? let the women stick up for them selfves.

It's not ironic at all if you realise that I don't split people up into two big groups called "male" and "female". If I disagree with what you are saying, I will argue. You said "i don't think i have ever heard one good women band think about it the greatest bands in the world are by men", I disagreed, and so I took you up on your point. So what if I disagree with another man and agree with a woman? Gender Segregation isn't enforced on the forums, is it?

Nothing you can say or do can change the fact the males are more poplular and more skilled when it comes to bands, believe what you like but the truth is Females are no match againest Males in terms of bands. And yes the greatest bands in the world are by men alot of people would agree with me on that, would you like me to put a poll?

1, 3, and 4. Fact? For the (hopefully) last time, that is just YOUR OPINION!

2. Since when has "popular" meant "good"?

5. What would that prove? That would prove that, in many people's opinion, male bands are better than female ones. You can't use opinions to prove "facts", I do not want to have to say this again, but I will...

Well you know what your saying is just a opinion too, i don't know how i could prove it to you with a fact tell me what do you want me to do to prove it as a fact, i'll do it just tell me, and also why are there more famous male bands in the world than women, that's no opnion that's fact if you name all the female bands you know compared to all the male bands you know i bet you know much more male bands right?

No they are not. I have not stated my opinions, except once (and they more or less agreed with yours anyway). What I have been saying is that you can't say that women are no good at music, because that is your opinion, and cannot be stated as fact. None of your misogyny(sp) can turn Opinions into Facts...

You can't. That's what I'm saying.

I don't want you to prove anything, I want you to accept that your opinions are your opinions and cannot ever be proven as facts one way or the other.

Ah, so when the "quality" argument fails, you resort to the "quantity" argument, hmm? I do not dispute what you say here, but I would like you to tell me exactly how it proves your point.

OMG! I did'nt ask for all that man! Where did you get all that from? Nowhere.

The way this proves my point is that, there are more male bands in the world than female, just the same as there are more prostitute's on the street than Jega lows. There are more Prostitutes on the street because they are better at what they do than Jega lows, the same men are better at playing songs and forming bands. Like i said Women are good at bands but not as good as males. Ok tell me your best male band and your best female band and tell me which you like better.

1. So you really do think that there is a connection between what's good and what's popular? Have you glanced at the charts recently?

2. I had hoped not to have to say this again, but seeing as you haven't got it yet, I will say it again:

Your opinions do not matter. My opinions do not matter. You can't try and prove something to be a fact by asking people their opinions. Opinions do not (and cannot) prove facts.

So my opinion does'nt not matter huh? Ok then so acording to you if i saw a plane fly into a building that is just my opinion that is not really a fact, but everybody actually knows that yes a plane did go into a building, but like you said that's only my opinion therefore it is not really a fact.

If a plane flies into a building and you see it it is your opinion that the plane flew into the building, it is also a fact.

Please stay outta this, i'll deal with you when i'm threw with Danny, cause anything i say to you he will use agaienst me.

Oh certainly, Sir. I'm terribly sorry for contributing to a thread on an open forum. It won't happen again, Sir.

Okay, Surfacing, how old are you? I mean that honestly, because we generally learnt the difference between Fact and Opinion back in Year 10 English... Allow me to fill you in on this apparently hazy section of your knowledge:

Fact: A Fact is a statement that can be proven objectively to be true of false. The statement "Most Oranges are Orange" is a fact, as it can be proven to be true. The statement "Most Oranges are Blue" is also a fact, as it can be proven to be false.

Opinion: An Opinion is a statement that cannot be proven objectively, as it is subjective and can differ from person to be person and still be true. The statement "Oranges are nice" is an opinion. It is true from the point of view of the speaker, but it may not be true from someone else's point of view. There is no Objective Truth on the matter; It cannot be proven one way or another.

So, the statement "Most Bands are Male" is a Fact. The statement "Female bands are shit" is an Opinion. Learn to tell the difference, and I predict that this argument will cease...

I'm 16, also i never said female bands are shit i said they are not as good as male bands, though in definition it may seem as a opinion but realistically it is true because most people think the same thing. We can put a poll if you like, i did say that early, then then votes can be turned into statistics which can then be turned into facts.Anyways i don't have time to check my old english books to determine the Differences between opinions and facts.

Why are you getting pissed at me for, post all you like just don't quote me, cause i'm stilling argueing with Danny, but be my guest post away, that ok with you PRIVATE!?.

*gets popcorn and sits back to watch* I don't care what men say about women, I can kick 'em where it hurts just as easy as the next girl... Yes, the "glass ceiling" still exists (sadly) but that's sadly just a fact of life at the moment.

In all this talk of bands and suchlike, I am stunned and amazed no-one has reminded people of all the "Take That" type bands (male, I add) that exist in the world...

*gets road drill and starts making hole in top of bunker through which to insert tomatoes...* Britney is evil incarnate, I hope you realise... (plus she looks like a poodle - am I now being breed-ist?)

*wonders if she can still find that "Whack-a-Britney" game...*

(seriously though, I don't care what people listen to. You can say "x is better than y" but then that's an opinion. It's like saying "tomatoes must be superior to mushrooms because they make better ketchup" - but then, some people like mushroom ketchup better than tomato, so would say mushrooms are superior...
*counts all the times she spelt "mushroom" wrong in that last post and goes to correct them*)

I prefer male bands and female soloists in general.

I'm not really that big a fan of music. I'll probably buy more albums in the future for some Xbox-releated reason...

See even you your self just admitted to like male bands, and yes that is you just opinion but i think that can be alot of people opinion's aswell, this can be turned into statictics ( if we vote) And why are you getting the female solo artist involved i have nothing againest them, stick to bands please.

You still think that you can turn Opinions into Facts if you have enough of them, then? It's not going to happen, you know...

So, some people hide things.

Which is why I said "to the best of my knowledge"...

Does this matter, anyway? It was a one-line throwaway joke halfway up the page, and now you come back to it...