This, basically. Democracy as we understand it is not how democracy was envisaged in classical Athens (hell, Athenian democracy only extended the franchise of voting to propertied male citizens). Representative demoracy is a farce, indeed, to say that the USA or the UK are anything other than oligarchies is laughable. A communist society is antithetical to bourgeois democracy. Marx was pretty definite in his later theoretical works in his belief that pursuing bourgeois democracy is farcical.

But isn't the point that this is what it will always become?

what the fuck is this? OANST is....... on topic? unironically?

this isn't right. unless the four horsemen of the apocalypse are flying around with squadrons of pigs, and the seas are boiling, and my dick reaches my knees, then this isn't right.

it feels wrong. feels dirty.

That was Nate's point, mine was that it's not possible.

Sure, but your idealism mixed with your readiness to condemn everything capitalist has somewhat skewed your approach to these ideas. I've seen you on facebook, my dude. You say "comrade" a lot. Like, a lot. You're not exactly approaching this from a realistic platform.

Right?

You're just jealous because I've never called you comrade.

My true motives all laid out again.