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Gunnr 04-26-2017 03:18 AM

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I think you're reading that unliterally.

Think about it: what can't you see? As in: what can you see, and what can't you see?

What can't I literally see in this picture...?
Uh, an obvious answer? the sides of the pictures?(since theyre patched together) the badguys that we found in each picture?(since they are ripped and patched together...color? Ugh -_-
And what other code is their to use beside whats in front of us? :fuzconf::fuzconf: I am confuzzled.

OWI_Bernice 04-26-2017 04:40 AM

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In terms of when the "classical" elements of fire/earth/water/air were in use their properties weren't listed in states, since it was known that water could be both solid, liquid, or gas. Rather descriptions of Hot/Cold, Wet/Dry were used which more closely fit the properties of the elements.

Fire is both hot and dry.
Air is both hot and wet.
Water is both cold and wet.
Earth is both cold and dry.


Not sure how useful this is but it's cool to know. Also some symbols, which may or may not be useful.

You're onto something here. Dig a little deeper into the "classical" elements and what they were often used for?

Phoetux 04-26-2017 05:19 AM

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I'm not aware of another version of morse code that uses the same symbols (dots/dashes)

You mean if there's another type of morse code? Because there's only one kind and it's international. That's what I know.
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You're onto something here. Dig a little deeper into the "classical" elements and what they were often used for?

The natural elements were a fundamental thing of the ancient religion, aka witchcraft, that is neopagan tradition, which essentially consists in observing seasonal festivals, in the practice of magical rituals related to natural elements and which essentially focuses on the cult of Nature.
And the four elements are... oh... Wait I think I got it! The four elements are in the same time both visible and invisible, physical and spiritual. So, according to the ancient religion, with the word "earth" for example, it is not just the planet we live on, but also the phenomenon of solidity, foundation and stability, a concept that among other things is also one of the hubs of Alchemy.
So what we don't see are actually the spiritual force of these elements? Are also the mudokons in the photos able to use these elements?
It's something we see (the symbols), but that we don't actually see (the elements themselves). So it must be like this. I hope I'm right somehow.

OWI_Bernice 04-26-2017 05:31 AM

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So, according to the ancient religion, with the word "earth" for example, it is not just the planet we live on, but also the phenomenon of solidity, foundation and stability, a concept that among other things is also one of the hubs of Alchemy.

Keep going along those lines :)

Vanilla ✜ 04-26-2017 06:24 AM

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Keep going along those lines :)

Guess that throws me looking into steganography out the window then. :fuzconf:

Phoetux 04-26-2017 06:29 AM

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Keep going along those lines :)

Oh ohh so I'm in the right way? :fuzgrin: so happy I was finally useful somehow!
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Guess that throws me looking into steganography out the window then. :fuzconf:

Not really, this is just not really about steganography now. The thing is that we don't have to use that now. We have to look at the photo in a different way, not like we did before. We have to see the meaning of what we see and what we don't see like I just did, to then come to a plausible theory, I think.

TopHattedTime 04-26-2017 06:36 AM

So you're talking about using the spiritual meanings of the elements?
Or perhaps "use what you can't see" is answered just by using the Elements/States we found to move onto the next clue...

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"Dig a little deeper into the "classical" elements and what they were often used for?"
Something related to alchemy perhaps? Brewing? Or even witchcraft?

Use what we can't see... So we use the spiritual meanings of the elements to move on to our next clue? I.e. we can't see "air" for example, because in the pictures, there is no " travel, freedom, thought, ideas, intellect, imagination and discovery" - basically nothing that the "air" element stands for?

Xavier 04-26-2017 06:39 AM

We can't see ghosts... or can we?

TopHattedTime 04-26-2017 06:42 AM

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We can't see ghosts... or can we?

It's Ouija board time!

Xavier 04-26-2017 06:44 AM

I feel we somehow have been tricked by Bernice into doing witchcraft and dark sciences.

Well played...

TopHattedTime 04-26-2017 06:48 AM

However, with that said - talking about things we can't see - there's a lot of spiritual things that we can't see in the photos, like love, freedom, compassion etc.
So maybe witchcraft isn't such a bad idea...? Maybe we have to talk to the ghosts of the mud's whose bones are being used in that lovely brew ;)

Nemin 04-26-2017 06:51 AM

How to solve this step of the ARG:
1. Summon a demon from the Netherworld.
2. Sell your soul for the next clue
3. ???
4. Profit

cdgoodwill 04-26-2017 06:59 AM

We can't see the soul, which is in soulstorm.
We also can't see ghosts, which is what asset98 is

Phoetux 04-26-2017 07:31 AM

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I feel we somehow have been tricked by Bernice into doing witchcraft and dark sciences.

Witchcraft is not always black magic, remember that! Magic is neutral, and as such, it respects well-defined laws.
And your jokes guys, lol you make laugh. But you're all mistaking too many things with one another.

Now, let's talk about Bernice's question:
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"Classical" elements, what they were often used for?

The manifestation of the elements takes place in two ways: that of the element itself, which is water, fire, earth or air, and that of the elemental, that is a spirit that incarnates its essence.
Elementals are not recognized and evoked in all traditions, though they are still traced back to the populous populace inhabitants. They do more than part of the baggage of traditions linked to ceremonial magic, rather than natural magic and wicca.
Going to the point, each element has its elemental manifestation that can not be perceived by our five senses, but which would exist in the original plane of the element itself, and thus would have a form, substance and a thought that would distinguish it consciousness.
Doesn't this makes you think? The Mudokons? Here's a pic to make you undestand:



This is just a theory, so don't think this is totally true: We have seen these muds before, but we didn't really understand what was going on to them.
However, there are some details that could be related to the elements we're talking about.
-The mud holding something. What he's holding it's something physical we can see that, something solid. So it could be related with the element Earth.
-The mud screaming in somekind of cage, and some of us thought he was in a gas chamber (not sure if it was confirmed). If he's in a place like that, it's related to Air for sure.
-The mud trapped by a vykker, probably used to test something liquid as the brew.

Gas, liquid and solid...

We have seen these words before!

But this still brings up a question: Why the elements? If this could be true, the story about the elements doesn't match at all.
This is what kills this theory tbh, but I thought I had to share this theory anyway, even I think it's probably wrong and just me overthinking :fuzemb:

But one thing is sure: This photo is telling us to use what we can't see, and we know its the elements.
And now as you can guess, I'm lost and I probably wrote useless things. Fuck, sorry but had to pull out what I had in my mind.

Vanilla ✜ 04-26-2017 07:43 AM

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And now as you can guess, I'm lost and I probably wrote useless things. Fuck, sorry but had to pull out what I had in my mind.

It's always good to write out theory's though I think. With the mud in the chair I personally think it's a next gen "tear extractor" that goes for the liquid straight from inside the eye or pumping something into their eyes as the image we got of the mud in the chamber, his eyes where rather swollen and looked ready to burst.

Phoetux 04-26-2017 07:46 AM

Thank you for your words. And yes, it could be a tear extractor too so, according to my theory, it's still related to liquid-water in that case.

Gunnr 04-26-2017 08:14 AM

I think you're onto something with your pic Phoetux. Especially since the tools the left mud is holding are used to dig through the "earth". The middle pic with elements of "air"or gass which are things that exsists but cannot be seen. This may also describe ghost as well, since he seems to see them but no one else does.

Hm, so if we are to "use what we can't see" should we be focusing more on whats in the middle of this pic, where the mud is(supposedly) getting gassed or just seeing ghosts? Just a passing thought if we are going for a literal thing

cdgoodwill 04-26-2017 08:39 AM

well one element is missing from those 3...
fire!

Gunnr 04-26-2017 09:00 AM

Hm, do you the spirit of 1029 logo in the upper right corner counts as the "fire"?

Phoetux 04-26-2017 09:09 AM

Ghosts are just entities, they're not related to the materials of the real world. They could be only if they're Poltergeists but I don't think that phenomenon would happen in a room like that.
And I'm pretty sure that the phrase "Use what you can't see" is a reference to the elements since we can see them and can't at the same time. But the need to focus the middle image could be a possibility.

Also, I don't think we need to count all the elements. Fire could be only related to the Spirit of 1029 logo, like Gunnr said.

cdgoodwill 04-26-2017 09:12 AM

The morse code in the video may have also said something about ghosts. Anyone tried to cross-reference the alphabet of the image symbols to the symbols in the video?

OWI_Alex 04-26-2017 09:13 AM

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The morse code in the video may have also said something about ghosts. Anyone tried to cross-reference the alphabet of the image symbols to the symbols in the video?

I think you guys were closer before.

cdgoodwill 04-26-2017 09:14 AM

before? with the elements and stuff?

Phoetux 04-26-2017 09:15 AM

Damn it Alex, be more specific :p

Goodguyplayer 04-26-2017 09:34 AM

This may be wrong, but "use what you can't see". Gas, liquid, solid. The middle pic is the one where there's gas. We cannot see gas, so we should look for clues on it?

Edit: and it was suggested before. Whoops. Ignore this post

TopHattedTime 04-26-2017 11:03 AM

And I was Reeeeaaally hoping we'd get to talk to some ghosts :')

Granitehead96 04-26-2017 11:39 AM

I've been trying to mess the the audio from the video. No progress, but the results of my testing sounds terrifying

Vanilla ✜ 04-27-2017 01:17 AM

I'm wondering if there's literally something we can't see in the image or if we have the work out what's happening in the center that's related to air, fire, earth or water?
I don't think the mud in the chamber is being gassed in anyway, I still think the eyes look swollen and in the video the muds grabbing his head/eyes in pain so I think his eye's have been injected with something to make them produce more "tears" which would relate it to the word liquid. Unsure as to anything else though.

TopHattedTime 04-27-2017 03:53 AM

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What things did you find in the image that seemed to be important? How could you use them?
Well, there's the "Use what you can't see" which is the main clue, then also the elements "Fire, Air, Water, Earth" and the states "Gas, Liquid, Solid". Everything else seems to be irrelevant. Also, maybe the "use what you can't see" clue literally means use the blind cipher? Anyway.

How can we use the clues we've found?

Well the elements are related to things like alchemy and witchcraft... Sadly we're not gonna get to talk to ghosts so something related to alchemy seems more likely...?

How can we use the states and elements? Are we looking for URL? maybe a jpeg? We're supposed to use the elements and states in a metaphorical sense... hnnnnggg :fuzconf:

OWI_Bernice 04-27-2017 05:32 AM

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Well, there's the "Use what you can't see" which is the main clue, then also the elements "Fire, Air, Water, Earth" and the states "Gas, Liquid, Solid". Everything else seems to be irrelevant. Also, maybe the "use what you can't see" clue literally means use the blind cipher? Anyway.

Well the elements are related to things like alchemy and witchcraft... Sadly we're not gonna get to talk to ghosts so something related to alchemy seems more likely...?

hnnnnggg :fuzconf:

It's been great reading through all this info. Though the solution is much simpler than you're thinking. You have everything you need and you're looking in the right direction. Try focusing on what's missing.

TopHattedTime 04-27-2017 05:45 AM

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It's been great reading through all this info. Though the solution is much simpler than you're thinking. You have everything you need and you're looking in the right direction. Try focusing on what's missing.

Okay dokay! It's good to know we've got everything we need :D

Vanilla ✜ 04-27-2017 05:47 AM

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It's been great reading through all this info. Though the solution is much simpler than you're thinking. You have everything you need and you're looking in the right direction. Try focusing on what's missing.

Could it be the sections of the separate images that are missing?

PenguinX45654 04-27-2017 05:56 AM

Just seen a FB post from OWI with this message:

"If something appears irrelevant, it probably is. Don't be misled by it."

Seems like they really want us to focus on something specific...

TopHattedTime 04-27-2017 06:31 AM

okay, so I made a literal compilation of what we're missing from the findit image out of the other images we already discovered. May or may not be useful, but it's worth it for now!

http://imgur.com/a/6tlXl

Just as a side thought - are we looking for the next image in the process? as in, we first found the muds being enslaved, then tortured, then the aftermath of the torture, so are we looking for what's next in that process?

cdgoodwill 04-27-2017 06:40 AM

...Burial. *gulp*

Vanilla ✜ 04-27-2017 06:42 AM

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okay, so I made a literal compilation of what we're missing from the findit image out of the other images we already discovered. May or may not be useful, but it's worth it for now!

Nice one, I'm hoping with these images that it isn't a case of patching the messy edges together cause that would be such a pain.
Hopefully we'll get some kind of yay or nay soon.

OWI_Bernice 04-27-2017 06:45 AM

You don't need to paste anything together. Look at what you've found already. You've been so close.

tmakz 04-27-2017 06:56 AM

You can see Earth Fire and Water Air you cant see everything else is visible Air invisible but you can feel it

cdgoodwill 04-27-2017 06:57 AM

Ok, We've found:
Morse code, which tells us to use a different code
The symbols in the top left, which repeat the text from 1029.io
Symbols cut off on the top and bottom that tell us the classical elements and the states of matter.

Vanilla ✜ 04-27-2017 07:03 AM

Purely going off the Burial and turning one element into another, the body when decaying releases carbon dioxide which could be classed as a solid turning into a gas?