I look and behave non-binarily. People perceive me as "different", "queer", "weird", "too radiant". I am already recognized in the society, perceived not as a male.

This thread went the offtopic road too far. Yet we could rename it to "Gender diversity", as most users wish to discuss this topic more.

You're right, Gishy. Gender itself is a social construct regardless of how much people might make fun of that. I'm sick of ignorant people not making the effort to educate themselves.
Be as radiant as you want, Gishy.

There's a difference between "gender is a social construct", which is mainly used by transphobic TERFs and stating that yes, you can be non-binary because gender is pretty much a spectrum, like sexuality.

No, we don't know why yet, because it basn't been studied enough yet, but people don't just claim to be trans for attention.

Also

Literally what

Well this thread went to shit super quick, huh.

You deny existence of such people? They do exist. Like Chris Chan. Or this dude.

Actually, scientists know so little about brains, that they can't even differentiate between male and female brains, not to mention brains of transgender people.

They do, very unfortunately. I think FA's point though is that not all transgender people are just people wanting attention.

I forgot to mention Bruce Jenner, who changed gender identity just as he killed a woman and feared facing serious jail time.

Idk about her, it seems like she really does feel she's a woman, but she plays it off for attention and is a really shitty personn I mean seriously who in the world is so awfule And who is so onesided that they require everyone to be understanding of them but refuse to be understanding of anyone else or show anyone else respectp

Who put you in charge of deciding whether or not people are legitimately trans?

Nobody. I'm just good at keeping up with the chronological order

You wanna know what else is a spectrum?

He's so androgynous and beautiful!
STOP ATTACKING ME WITH YOUR SCIENCE!

Not true. They can differentiate, but there’s a spectrum.


can I forward you the medical bill for the surgery to roll my eyes back to their original positions

Every brain differentiates from the other. Also, this.

Also: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articl...-in-the-Brain/

I may have phrased it poorly. When I said "they can't even differentiate between male and female brains" what I meant was really "they can't absolutely surely tell male or female based purely of brain activity"

Sure, but they can make reasonable assumptions.

Okay, but I don't think it's reasonable enough to make it a rule (based on inability to detect gender of people examined), and that denies Nepsotic's statement:

as there is not a known rule of how male/female brain is structured.

Not really: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/01/26...gender-brains/

But you can make reasonable assumptions until more concrete rules are found.

Okay but I wasn't being serious.

That's okay, because you weren't right anyway, Nep.

They... feel... female?

You know when studies are biased, when they start using feelings instead of arguments.

Not to mention a sample of less than 100 is highly unreliable in such studies, especially compared to 1.5 thousand people examined in the "Can You Tell Which Brains Are Male? Neither Can These Scientists" article.

As in, they generally conform to the expectations of a ‘male’ or ‘female’ brain. The scientist isn’t getting all warm and fuzzy, he’s making a generalization.


You can look at both and come to some consistent conclusions: there’s no binary ‘male’ or ‘female’ brain but a whole range, with most people sitting somewhere in that range; you can still make broad generalizations about the person’s gender based on their brain; transgender people’s brains will generally trend towards the individual’s gender identity.

I do see where you're coming from, but I can't really agree with that, since the article I provided does not really match your explanation, in both title (the premise) and the content

The article has an over-simplified title. As for the content:
What the study shows is that there is no single pattern that defines a ‘male’ or ‘female’ brain, and that most brains show a mix of both ‘male’ and ‘female’ traits. Because of this it’s very difficult to intuit the gender of a brain based solely on the scan.

What it doesn’t say is that these scans prove that all brains are identical, or that you can’t make generalizations from the statistics. Look at the figures in the original research, there is still an overall split between male and female. From that information it’s possible to make generalizations about the gender of a brain, but there’s enough variance that you’re not always going to be correct.


Further evidence that transgender people’s brains show consistencies with their perceived gender identity’s control brains: http://transcience-project.org/brain_sex.html

So you'll agree if I say that instead of:

he should have said:

?

Any conclusion that renders Nepsotic's statements false satisfy me lol.

Yes, I think that the new statement would be correct. Not that I support you being spiteful towards Nep.

It's funny because you're just as bad as him

Special thanks to Vexen for kicking off this nigh-incomprehensible shitstorm.

Pls don't say retarded ;_;

I totally agree though, nickle and diming your gender is pretty fucking ridiculous. If you're young and finding you're expressing yourself through gender politics well, okay, but arguing gender in percentiles is actual pseudoscience.

You can have qualities that express masculinity or femininity (obviously) but all of that is rooted in the culture of a specific gender. I cock my hips (they don't lie) but I'm fairly blatantly male, and do not consider that trait anything other than a miniscule, meaningless part of my body language.

Anyway I am WELL AWARE I have already bitten off more than I can chew with this post so

I don't think anyone describing themselves as "30% female" is actually saying they've calculated a specific number on a scale, they're just using it as a linguistic shorthand to get across a rough idea of how they perceive the balance of their gender identity.

You're absolutely right, and I'm really just expressing incredulity at a strawman of young people who don't know any better anyway. I would not presume to make blanket statements about trans/intersex/whatever people in case Slog Bait decides to get petty and negrep me for it again.

Also, BRUCE Jenner absolutely had reassignment surgery to pull attention away from the vehicular manslaughter charges. I have no intention of devaluing intersex people of any kind, but the guy just adopted a 'beautiful baby boy' to enhance his image that much more. It's nothing but spin and it's disgusting how he's played people into sympathizing with his irresponsible frankenstein ass. Fuck Bruce Jenner and any other wretch attached to that horrific band of Karcrashians.

Who would do the thread about the United States presidential election?

See, this is why we like to make fun of you. You come into threads, don't make any actual arguments, but instead get all offended and act like it gives you certain rights.

The reason your posts piss me off because at least if people don't agree with me, there's a discussion there, there's something to talk about.

When you come in and talk about how offended you are, nobody cares about that except you, (and maybe Job McYossie) yet for some reason you still think it counts as a sound argument.
Actually start saying things or stop posting all together because what was funny at first is getting really tiresome now.

Anyway, aside from a bit of light trolling, I didn't want to get too involved in this thread shit show because I genuinely don't know that much about the subject.
To sum my thoughts up - there are too many people pretending to be trans for attention, fuck those people. There are also legitimate trans people who don't go and blog about how trans they are because the whole point is that they don't want people to know.

????? How can you call me petty when you're still bitter about something that happened like a year and a half ago that's already been resolved

I direct your bitter ass in this direction good sir

You're that man, Vlam. Just go ahead and Vlaminate one up.



Also, despite my disgusting social liberalism that knows almost no bounds, I do think that some gender/sexuality stuff goes a bit beyond the realms of plausibility. My mind recalls one particular user who supposedly believes she is "shoekin", which...I mean I assumed for the sake of humanity was tongue in cheek, but apparently she's the sort of person who'd genuinely believe she's a fucking shoe. Which is making me snigger as I type this. Often the people that are Demigemiremisexual Jared Leto Headmate Haribokin are the same people that believe white people can pull off dreads and I DON'T GET THAT.

I'm personally subscribe to the belief that I am in fact Bovril (as cemented by Vyrien's most esteemed opinion), or Bovkin if you will. Bov, Bovme, Bovril, Bovrille, Bovthon pronouns please.

Foot note: I believe people should express themselves however makes them happy so I do not really give a fuck about what gender or sex people are.

I have no idea what you're talking about in the first paragraph, all I did was make an observation about both of you being horrible people.

And no, nobody knowing isn't the whole point. The whole point is wanting people to treat you like a normal fucking person. Please don't act like you know shit. But somehow people who blog about being trans aren't "legitimate"? Who the fuck are you to decide who is "legitimate" and who isn't?

But no, it's totally ok, cause you see, being offended by people's identities gives you certain rights.

You've never been a good contributor to this forum, you started out as a dick and now you're this overly offended little dipshit who takes everything personally even when something is blatantly a joke or not even directed at you. Stop trying to make everything about yourself you pungent cum-wad.

I'm a horrible person? Oh, you know that do you? Based on what? Some posts I made on a random forum on the internet which you don't agree with? And apparently you know how knowledgeable I am on the subject. Did you also know that I'm currently Skyping with one of my close friends as I type this, and we're laughing at how pathetic you are? They're trans, by the way.

I'm smart enough to the point where it's obvious to me who is doing it for attention and who has genuine gender dysphoria. Do I care? Not particularly, but that doesn't mean I don't see it as being shitty when someone is giving transexuals a bad name by being a whiny little bitch every time somebody makes an offhanded comment which was either in jest or had nothing to do with them.

Do you honestly think I care enough about you or what you have to say to the extent that I'm offended?

Changing your entire identity in a controversial manner right down to expensive and possibly irreversible surgery is a rather bizarre way of trying to avoid bad press. I don't know when those charges were made but I know there were rumours about Jenner's gender for years before she came out. Hell, I'm not even sure you can get that surgery without a professional diagnosis.


You know if people don't like you they don't have to provide a critical thesis about it?


Yeah, there are people out there that think like that, but they're a very tiny minority who get a disproportionate amount of attention, and people use them as a way of discrediting legitimate dysphoria.

You aren't seeing what he's saying because you're so wrapped up in wanting to hate him, get your head out of your arse for a minute instead of going at everything like a cortisol fuelled bull at a gate. He said there're transtrenders who are cunts because they're just saying it to look cool, aren't actually trans but are claiming they are because they're special snowflakes. And there are genuine trans people who don't blog about it because they dont want people to know. He never said anything about trans people who blog aren't legit, he didn't even address that. He was just comparing the overly vocal, always offended trender brigade with the quiet minority.

Also just like trans people today the LGB community suffered an outbreak of trenders 'it's so cool to be bi but ew wtf why would I kiss a member of the same gender' a few years back.