And I did ask for evidence, but none was provided.
I kind of realised we wouldn't get anywhere what with the post BM made defending SJWs on that other thread. Pretty weird because otherwise you're usually such a rational guy.
Unfortunately, yes. However, I'd rather not get into a debate about the ridiculous topic that is 'triggering', given what happened with this last one.

'Triggers' get a lot of shit because a large portion of people use them a little too liberally to the point where the phrase 'this triggers me' has become interchangeable with 'this makes me uncomfortable'. Which is a shame because it's so commonly mocked now that people who actually suffer from PTSD, etc, and are actually 'triggered' by certain things usually get wrapped up into being mocked as well.

I did a bit of research and found this meme site. Apparently Nepsotic was mocking that person, and not the PTSD people or whoever.

To clear things up you should all just watch this short video of a fat guy explaining the point I am too lazy to make.

I wasn't talking about Nepsotic specifically. I meant...




in general.

I know

And about the video, his point about freedom of speech being violated falls pretty flat. Nothing is being violated. If people were legally obligated not to say certain things that might offend others, then there'd be a case, but that's not what's happening. People getting up in arms about something they're offended by is just them expressing their freedom of speech as well.

Receiving societal backlash ≠ being stripped of rights.

As for the rest of his video, it's hard for me to say without being biased because the way he conveys himself in his videos overall just fucking irritate me.

T.A.A. annoys me greatly as well, to the point I can't even listen to what he's saying.

He's talking about the people who do want it to be like that though. It's his reasoning for not going along with the bullshit, and it makes sense.
I like him, because he just doesn't give a fuck. And, I agree with what he says in most cases. He's a funny fucker.

We have completely different definitions of "funny", it seems.

There is nothing ridiculous about content warnings, and if the content seems innocuous to you then all that means is that the warning is not meant for you. It is not your role, right, or responsibility to decide what should or shouldn't invoke traumatic recollections. I don't give a shit whether trigger warnings may have been use to forewarn things that maybe no one is troubled by (and that could not be proven in any case), the only way to misuse them is to leave them out when necessary or lie about your content, which I have witnessed occur with deliberate and stated intent to harm the severely traumatised. So forgive me if I find I have more empathy and regard for those vulnerable to such issues and even targeted for them than with those who must face the non-inconvenience of encountering a warning they do not need.

Then I must have done a pretty poor job of describing gaslighting, because if I'm doing it then so is every school.

I'm not interested in who does more of it. It's bad whenever. I'm not making the case that this side or that side does it more. I'm pointing out common pitfalls in that discussion that the authors of those articles and studies have fallen into, which gets my goat because it's those pitfalls that reinforce absurd stereotypes. I'm quite capable of evaluating papers on their own methodological merits.

All generalisations are wrong, and yes, I appreciate that sentence in it's every aspect. I don't want to talk about generalisations either, and yes, you should make your language clear, it's not obvious, because apparently I'm wrong when I assume that you mean what you actually say, so how likely am I to be correct if I assume a bunch of stuff that you have not said?

I take it then, that earned no trust in my ability to rationally evaluate other issues? I've spent the past three years quietly exploring issues like these and others. You know I like learning new things, that's why I'm into science, and this was the first time in a long while that I stumbled across something interesting that I was previously completely ignorant of. By which I mean, the experiences of people in my culture who are unlike me in some way. Black, gay, trans, female, hispanic, poor, asian, minority religious, this or that mental illness, physically impaired, you name it. And why would I know any of it? I've never had to.

So I listened. That's basically all I've been able to do, because there is so much, and it didn't take long to get over the hump of "this is silly" to "now I'm fucking mad". And since I'm already of the compassionate, leftist, inclusive sort, valuing that knowledge and those experiences and those causes was already my jam. And given the leanings and sympathies that the people on this forum have always appeared to champion I thought that I would find common cause here too, and it has been a constant source of searing disappointment that apparently it is not.

Where would I start you off somewhere palatable to you? Have you never seen The Daily Show, The Nightly Show, or Last Week Tonight? They have certainly been champions of those causes, hardly faultless but generally very good. I mean seriously, what the fuck do you think social justice is?

Generalisations are not wrong, silly. Nor they're right. They're a thing that happens, and whether it's good or bad solely depends on context.

It's like saying all killing is wrong. Don't support killing cancer cells, then

I haven't heard of those, but they sound like lame ripoffs of The Day Today. Especially that last one.
So use them. You're free to. I'm not going to, though.

So put a trigger warning on everything then. Seriously. put one on fucking everything, or nothing. There is no in between here.
And before you bring it up, stuff like "this game contains scenes of explicit violence and gore" are not trigger warnings.

Not necessarily wrong, some can be accurate, but they're useful, when you're talking about a topic in general.

He wasn't very funny in that particular video.

Where do you think stereotypes come from? Thin air? No, they have a basis.
Also, you still haven't provided any evidence to prove me wrong and it seems you're just dodging the question entirely because now we've moved onto a whole different discussion.

Today? It's a bunch of shrill, annoying, entitled attention-seeking piglets with an ego the size of the sun and a brain the size of a fucking planck length.

Yep, I didn't see it when I read through and then a fraction of a second after I posted it I saw it. I fucked up.

though i do appreciate not completely shitting on me for that, it was worthy of it

Remember all those times SJWs bullied women with rape threats and essentially ruined their lives forever because they thought there should be more women in video games?

oh wait must've gotten it mixed up

You must be new to the internet. Have you ever heard of these things called trolls?

Trolls are great for Sarkeesian and her crowd because as you see, they give her a victim card to play and this ensures she gets lots of moneys as she ironically plays the damsel in distress.

HAHAHAHAHAHA PERFECT

Yeah, no reason to play the victim card when you repeatedly get rape and death threats, and have to explain to the local authorities that you may regularly be reported for ridiculous crimes. Over video games. Sorry, that was childish of me to suggest that.

Quinn and other women have had to flee their homes for safety reasons. I don't think they're faking such an inconvenience for video gaemz

I don't understand how you can be this stupid. I've had death threats. Everyone has. It's called being trolled.

If you'd actually look at their Twitter and not just the examples they cherry-pick, you'd see that most people are actually trying to have an intelligent debate. Those examples are always ignored though, even though they are the vast majority.

Are you kidding me right now?
Are you serious?
Tell me you're trolling. Please.

Even, like "I know your home address" type stuff? I feel like I would worry.
Alright, that's fair. You've convinced me that Sarkeesian sucks. But I still agree with the movement.
That's a thing that happened, though. I guess I'll just not mention it again if I can expect that kind of response.

It happenee so they can pull out their victim card and look like a martyr. So people will donate their money to them and so they can make the opposition look like the bad guy by using dirty tactics.

Bah! Which side is the one harassing in the first place? The Gamergaters. What you are saying very well may be true. But from what I've seen they are often bad guys. Really bad guys. Their behavior made them bad. Bad publicity just made them seem worse.

Fucking dumb feminazis.

Fucking women's rights and equality. Who even wants that? Not me. I want to live in a world where I can demand women's tits 24/7 AND shame them for showing me.

STM, I try to refrain from saying this often but you don't half often say some dumb shit, do you?
If you can name me one single male privilege that I cannot debunk then I will concede this argument. Go for it.Then there's nothing more I can say to help you. You simply won't listen. You have your conslusion and you're going to stick to it no matter what. I'm done wasting my time with you.
If ever you decide to take your blinders off I'm going to leave you with the YouTube channel Sargon of Akkad.

I have no idea if this was directed at STM or me but I'll just throw this in for fun: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...wage-gap-myth/

Great argument kid, I applaud you.
All I saw on that channel was him claiming that there is enough diversity and people are just being whiny, so, pretty much exactly what you've said, except even more mean spirited and obviously bitter that minorities/females would dare ask for a major role in some video games.

You say that SJWs are exploiting the threats aimed at them to get sympathy, to paint the other side as being filled with total creeps. Well guess what? Total creeps are the kind of people who send rape threats. And boy are there a lot of those rape threats. Usually directed at women, too. Huh.

Actually, it's also people who have been provoked by whiny fucktards who try to criticise and censor something they have no understanding of.
Now, I'm only responding to the top thing, because if I read any more of your bullshit my brain cells are going to start dying. This is like arguing with a creationist.

Anyway, here goes.
The gender wage gap... DOES NOT FUCKING EXIST.
Those studies are so unbelievably misconducted it's unreal. Of course women earn less, but that's the keyword, earn. Want to know why they earn less? Because they make different choices, go into lower paying jobs, have less motivation to persue high-paying careers (and roles such as CEOs etc) and take more time off than men.
This is all factually accurate, so of course when you take the entire gender and turn it into an average it's going to turn out less than what men earn, what did you expect?
The wage gap is a myth that has been debunked so many times it's unreal that people still use it as evidence of sexism.
You do realise that paying a woman less than a man in the same job role is illegal? And you do realise that, if women were paid less, nobody would hire men?
It's bullshit, you know it's bullshit.

This guy is good with studies, he goes more in depth about it, and cites all his sources.


Here is a feminist debunking the myth.


And here's some extra for good measure.






Done.
Next, anyone?

Fair enough
WHAT are you on about?

Well for one there are more video games about men :D

I somehow didn't notice this earlier, or maybe I unconsciously ignored it because it was so, so bad.
This is a great example of your morals, not only trying to justify this behavior, but also equating complaining about video games to a personal attack which could be responded to with a threat.

I didn't say it was justified. Nice straw man you have there. SJWs love straw men.
Yes there are.

Sorry, do you have a point in there?
There are more fashion shows about women and there are more action shows for guys, there are chick flicks which objectify men, and encourage women to think they can do what they like with us.
There are advertisements that body shame young men into thinking they must be ripped, and that's just evil.

All bullshit. Just like the opposite side's arguments.

A big list of other things that suck doesn't make one thing less bad. A massive amount of women are protesting their portrayal in video games. This is why there should be more video games that positively portray women. If a movement for men to have fashion shows came into prominence, I would absolutely be behind that, but right now that isn't a huge movement so there's not really much for me to say about it other than "I wish people would pay more attention to that."

Sometimes thousands of people take part in riots. Does that make said riots right? Also, you think this is important? Seriously? There's women genuinely being oppressed in middle-eastern countries because of Islam and these women could protest that, but no, that's racism.
Instead they say "Let's cry about the way women are portrayed in games we don't even play".

Being able to walk down the street without being cat-called?

No. But this isn't some kind of an immoral riot. This is a bunch of video game players saying what they think video games should be like. That's usually a thing that game developers like to pay attention to.
Islam is not a race. Also, a ton of people are furious about that? It's been in the news pretty often.
I'm pretty sure that this only applies to Sarkeesian and barely anyone else.

This thread has gone from zero to … zero pretty quick.

You've failed again. It's a bunch of people who don't know anything about games.

Exactly?

Also, you still haven't come up with a legitimate purpose for feminsm yet.

Some of the most prominent figures in video game-related feminism are game developers, or play/review video games as an occupation.
(oh my god you have to be pulling my leg here)
Feminism exists to have women taken as seriously as men are. On top of the massive issue of infringement of basic rights in foreign countries, as you mentioned, women and feminine qualities are not taken as seriously as men and masculine qualities are, even in ways that affect men and only men. Being feminine is often seen as making one weaker. This often applies to men. Saying a man "hits like a girl", or something similar, is an insult, and men who act "like women" are seen as jokes. Women are often taken advantage of for sexual reasons, for example catcalling, and the legions of douchebags who will jump at the chance to defend it. Do women catcall random men on the street? Nah, not really. If they did, would anyone be upset? Doubtful. A man being victimized by a woman is seen as pathetic, because women aren't taken seriously. This is an issue that harms both genders. Also, how many men are there in media that are created for sex appeal reasons? Waaaaay less than women. Way, way less. Women as a concept are largely associated with sex.

No one has ever made a game worse by asking for less hackneyed and sterotyped diverse characters. No one has forced game developers to do anything. Developers want to know what people would like to see in games.

Oh yeah? When's the last time you saw a feminist complaining about the way women are treated in third world countries, or actually doing anything about it? That's right, you don't, because they only care about themselves and the minuscule problems they face.
Hmm, could've sworn it was for gender equality.
You can't say you're for gender equality and then focus on only one gender. That's fucking retarded.

Evidence? Women often say men should be more 'emotional' and talk about their feelings more.

Which is perfectly reasonable in the same way that calling a woman manly would be insulting to her.
Don't forget the fact that females are generally weaker as they aren't the ones fighting for territory or hunting for food. In nature their job is to make babies and raise said babies.
Males are physically stronger (naturally) and this is where such stereotypes come from.
Also, the whole "Like a Girl" think is fucking retarded.


That's because it is part of the definition of femininity. Females ARE naturally weaker because they have no reason to be stronger.

A lot of said women enjoy the attention. People like being complemented, especially when they've put effort into their appearance.
What's more, if these women are so "strong and independent" then why would they need a white knight like you and an entire movement in order to protect them from something as simple as being complemented?
That's right. It's feminism making women believe they are weak. Feminism is the one saying they aren't independent, and that they will be taken advantage of by the evil men unless they join the hive mind.

Um, yes they do?
Just this morning I was watching This Morning lol and shortly before going into a discussion about how women are oppressed into not going into STEM fields or something (another bullshit argument), all the women in the set literally went over to this window to stare at a sexy lawnmower guy without his top on and whistle, and all that shit.
So yes, it happens. Frequently. And for some reason it's acceptable when the opposite is not.
Yep, I can definitely see your tiny little feminist brain working away in this comment.You always have to make it about women. Even issues that are clearly men's issues have to revolve around women in some way.

Men are supposed to be seen as manly and strong. They're supposed to hide their emotions and man-up.
This is not about women. This is a problem for men, and nowhere are women concerned with it.

That being said, do you see us whining about society's impression of what a 'man' should be? No, we just get on with it and do what we like, most not caring about what other people's expectations of us are. And people are always going to have expectations of you.
Women are the ones that make a big deal out of these expectations instead of realising that they are a part of society and always will be.
Yes, this is because we are animals and sex is a central part of our existence. Who cares if some women in media are flaunting what they've got? Isn't that empowerment? Because it's their choice that they do it, nobody elses. They want to do it because they like the money and the attention, so stop undermining them.

Here's a video on objectification.


This is not remotely what the point is.
Not necessarily. I don't give a shit about what people think should go into my game, for example. I know many developers that feel the same way.

On the former point, you're wrong. Feminists frequently put heavy social pressure on artists and people in the media to do what they want, and if they don't they'll be lynched by the feminist mob and they'll come out looking like the bad guys.
Sounds a lot like terrorism to me.

Right, now that I've put that to bed, next?

I'm leaving

Thank fuck for that.

We also kill ourselves.