Casual reminder that OANST’s opinion of Lorne Lanning should not be taken as representative of the entire gaming community.

I can't stand him.

And, yes. He is wrong. It's an HD remake.

Nah. It's not.

It's a remake. It's HD. Any further denials is willful ignorance.

Either way, we should all have our own opinions but it is their game and it is they who are making it, so I think they know what it is.

If this is a 'HD Remake' then does that make normal games 'HD Make's?

This is absolutely futile.

Naaaaah

In the video game vernacular "HD remakes" are High Definition remasters of older games. It doesn't mean a remake of a game that's in HD.

High definition is just an increase in visual resolution. So all modern remakes are going to be in HD by default because we are in the HD age of video games.

No one calls XCOM Enemy Unknown a HD remake. People just call it a remake. I imagine they're concerned that many people will just think it's Abe's Oddysee running at 720p or 1080p when they hear "HD remake". Maybe they improved the character models like Stranger's Wrath but it might not be worth their money or the £18 price tag than an actual remake.

It's like telling people they shouldn't say "I could care less" because it's not grammatically correct despite the fact everyone who uses it knows what it means. People say "head over heels" when they should actually say "heels over head". People should say "HD remaster" but they use "HD remake".

New n Tasty doesn't fall under the criteria of the term "HD remake". Stranger's Wrath HD and Munch's Oddysee HD do.

Arguing otherwise just seems to be a lack of understanding or simply to fuel the "fuck Lorne" mentality when there are probably actual examples to call him out on. Like his demeanor in the interview, perhaps.

It is a remake, though.

You're an idiot.

That's not what they are called. No one calls them that other than Lorne and company, and they can call a cat a cow all they want. Doesn't mean it isn't a cat.

BUT OF COURSE IT DOES IF THEY MADE THE CAT. IT'S THEIR CAT, THEY CAN CALL IT WHAT THEY WANT AND WE SHOULD RESPECT THAT.

I respect only the APK.

I can't even rep you, but thiiiiiiiiiiiiiis. ^^^^^^^

Oh, he's definitely right, but screwing with Lorne apologists is too much fun to let go of.

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Ah. You see I wasn't apologising for Lorne. I was just arguing with you because you were wrong.

So this argument has been even more pointless and the following ridiculously excessive.

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Yes they do. You can argue that it shouldn't mean that (like one or two people have in the comments) but it doesn't change the fact that it's what it means in the industry. (Personally I've always said HD version...)

A quick search and you can find some articles using the term.

The Independent

Dispatches

IGN

And to show that Lorne isn't insane here's a couple of articles that call New n Tasty a HD remake.

Videogamer

Screw Attack

Gameinformer

Quite a few of those actually are HD remakes. Keep apologizing, apologist. We all think you're cute when you're mad and defensive.

Ha, yeah, the IGN article actually seems to argue against me completely whilst the other two argue for me (since the independent mentions that FF4 DS doesn't really fall under HD remake - on wikipedia it's even called a 3D remake).

I ain't mad! I get carried away with silly arguments sometimes. Felt I needed to defend my point when you called it willful ignorance.

Actually I'm just sitting here enjoying my American Splendor collection that came in the post today. You kind of remind me of Harvey Pekar actually.

Bah. The fun's over now.

So in conclusion, New 'n' Tasty is clearly an HD remake and anyone who denies that evident fact is supporting OWI's marketing decision to lie to the public to make their product seem more valuable.

In other news, the next Oddworld game will have a Glukkon protaganist.

Well there's the problem. Whoever decided that video games had a vernacular is an idiot.

I will grant you that the voice modulation is pointless. I don't understand why someone who acts like a diplomat would want to disguise their voice.

On the other hand, you know, it's you. You hate everyone who believes in things.

What do you mean? Vernacular is simply the terminology and informal language that develops among specific groups of people. Doesn't any sort of interest develop its own vernacular naturally? I don't think I'm using the word incorrectly...:fuzconf:

Well that's the point. It's an informal term. It doesn't have a specific, overriding definition. The words mean what the words mean, and "HD remake" means "a high-definition remake". That's what it's always meant, and a group of people deciding they couldn't be bothered to think of a more accurate term for games without new assets doesn't mean we should enshrine their mistake as part of a cliquish lexicon.

Is Lanning secretly sitting in his chair laughing at us right now?

I agree. That said, I think this is a marketing problem that should have already been resolved. It seems clear enough to me that Lorne was railing against the term "HD remake" as indeed it conjures up the wrong connotation -- in spite of the fact that it is indeed in "HD" and it is indeed a "remake."

As others have touched on, it is not an "HD remake" as such, because -- while the plot is identical -- the story is being re-told within an entirely different framework and not just re-hashed with gussied up graphics and audio. A new engine and new assets have been combined with the old assets we know and love to engage we consumers in a novel way. They are trying to court not only fans of the original OI games, but to grow the fanbase so that they may continue to evolve the brand and share a damn important story.

Come to think of it, OI and JAW should be forcefully correcting all who interview them, or otherwise communicating, that their product is "New 'n' Tasty", which uniquely and succinctly describes their efforts to rebuild AO into a HD 2.5D platformer. If/when AE gets the same treatment, it should also be known as the "New 'n' Tasty" version/edition.

Most importantly of all, there is a new business model in force. One that calls for a tighter bond between fan and creator. One that acknowledges a previously unknown degree of leverage. This new business model exists because of the democratizing power of the internet and content delivery platforms such as the almighty Valve's Steam (and later Sony's, Microsoft's, Nintendo's, and -- dare I mention -- EA's analog content delivery platforms). As Lorne explained (quite colorfully) in the Sixth Axis podcast, these technologies have changed the landscape of the video game industry. I find it quite ironic that some of you who spend so much time on these fora -- and so are presumably "super fans" -- are missing the relevance of the paradigm shift in the developer-publisher-distributor model. It is a real life metaphor for the story of Abe. Like Abe's escape from Rupture Farms, OI/JAW (not to mention countless small developers everywhere) no longer have to play by the rules of unfeeling soulless corporatists; they are free to tell the story of Oddworld on their own terms.

As for the kerfuffle over Lorne using the word "fucking", I understand that some board members are just trolling and sad attention seekers. However, for the sake of the naive, I'll share my interpretation. First off -- relax. The word "fucking" here has zero semantic content: it merely serves to emphasize his anger over the potential confusion a term like "HD remake" might engender. Again, this is a marketing problem. Moreover, a word is only profane if you agree to play by the rules of the establishment.



SOF

Maybe you're right and I simply haven't had as much exposure to the remake/HD remaster scene and its terminology.

It's just that, in my experience, many people believe that a high-definition remake is a game with the visuals "remade" in high definition. They think of Shadow of the Colossus HD, not XCOM: Enemy Unknown. I would imagine the average consumer would be less interested in an "HD" title than "New n Tasty" and hearing the words "HD remake" would be interchangeable with "HD update", "HD remaster" or "HD version" etc.

I think they believe using the term HD in their marketing creates an erroneous, and possibly damaging, perception of the game. I don't think the word "remake" is actually important.

Although it's kind of funny that the game was initially advertised as Abe HD.

Did anyone read more than the first four or five words of each paragraph of seriouslyoddfan's post? If so, please fly to America, and come over for dinner. After eating a lovely meal that I prepared for you, I will slap the shit out of you. Your life will be immeasurably better for having this lesson learned.

Shit, now I'm tempted to read the entire thing just so I can get a free meal off of you

I don't believe that even the prospect of food could push you that far.

You don't know me, you don't know my life story

I masturbated into the food.

What a deal breaker ):

OANST, shut up.

Everyone else, also shut up.

This was an argument that was clarified and resolved 40 posts ago. So, basically, shut up.

Nope JennyGenesis, that's one step too far.

At least we can all agree that this is how games should be treated when being slammed with the title "HD remake".

Honestly, I think what JAW and OI are doing should be the slap in the face that raises the bar for all the other devs who remaster or HD remake their titles.

I mean c'mon. Jak and Daxter was meant to be The Last of Us. I would kill to see a Jak 4 or any of the J&D games with the visuals of what Infamous Second Son has. OH GOD HOW I WANT TEAM BUDDIES REMASTERED LIKE NnT.

Yes, but they didn't give birth to that cat/cow.

Pupbenny, shut the fuck up now.

Ok I think everyone got the point.

I'm closing this.