Yes. You were definitely the only one who voted for Sligstorm. You must feel very unique for being the only person who voted for Sligstorm. Hell yes.

No, that was me.

The concept sounded so cool! It was sad that it didnt have very many votes.

I never liked the concept of Sligstorm. At all. Sligs are supposed to be the bad guys, you can't go and make a story that makes you sympathetic to the bad guys. At least not until the good guy's story is over.

I always thought the point of the story would be to highlight the brutality of slig life from the perspective of an outcast.

I thought it was about an albino slig trying to get out of a breeding facility or something like that.

Wasn't it supposed to be like a minigame released as an extra in some Oddworld bundle for the PS1 that never happened?

^^^ You are correct sir :)

I voted for it too. I actually wanted to play that. Nothing else they have going interests me.

The point is that the bad guys are not the villains. The sligs are victims of the system just as the mudokons are. Both are raised to support the system that abuses them. The difference is that sligs are placed in the role of active jailers, which apparently makes them acceptable targets for possession, shooting, grinding, exploding etc. The sligs also have jailers but they are invisible to us. Sligstorm would have shown us what they are and how one of them tries to break free of them.

You’re wasting your breath, I doubt Havoc appreciates anything more nuanced than a Michael Bay movie.

Well no, BM hit the nail on the head in describing why SligStorm is an interesting concept (even though I didn't vote for it - But I would love to see an iteration of it at some point). By showing that the Sligs are effectively just as brainwashed as the Mudokons, it'd make the Abe games even darker somehow.

Still waiting for Hand of Odd.

Crossing my fingers that Munch's Exoddus actually happens.

I still don't understand why anyone would want another Munch game.

Who are you, and why are you offending me.

Oddworld has a facinating story because no side of the story is inherently bad. From our point of view the Glukkons are the bad guys for what they do to nature and stuff. But from the Glukkon's perspective the mudokons are cheap labor and Abe is a terrorist.

Still, from a story telling point of view I don't personally think it's wise to establish the sligs as being in almost the exact same boat as the mudokons while Abe's story is still ongoing. At the moment the sligs are his enemies and even though they would likely remain to be his enemies, the player might start looking at the sligs differently if they are suddenly made out to be victims with guns.

It would mean that instead of happily possessing sligs and killing them and feeling good about it, the player might start feeling sorry for them while the game forces you to kill them. If you want to establish sligs as victims then Abe should be the one to realize that they are victims. Not just the player. As such, the events of Slig Storm should be incorporated in the quintology. Not as a separate game with a separate main character and a separate timeline.

You couldn't be farther from the truth.

Because Munch (the character and the game concept) is not inherently bad. They just fucked it up first time round.

No I think Munch is a bad character. My qualms are entirely with Munch himself and not how shitty his game was.

Oh. Okay, then.

So if Sligstorm became part of the Quintology and our albino Slig character became one of Abe's companions, would you be down with that?

Because I think I would be, having a character hailing from one of the Industrial species would liven up the group dynamic a bit.


I'm curious, how do you think they could fix him as a character?

I really like that idea. It would make the Sligs just another victim and not just brainless henchmen. Also I would love to see the Sligs rebel against their Glukkon masters.

I know I'm not Sekto, but I don't think they can. He was basically a really annoying version of Abe. The exact same character, except his voice is more annoying, his biology is basically impossible, he has annoying sound effects and can't fucking run.
In fact, I'd say he had even less depth than Abe.

I think it could be some very interesting plot development if a slig became one of Abe's companions and to explore the slig's backstory that way. It would give Abe a chance to see the true nature of the sligs much in the same way as he saw the true nature of the animals Rupture Farms was chopping to bits.

I think that Sligstorm would still be morally questionable. From what little I know about it, your goal was to escape the birthing complex right? In any way possible, I could see a very dark plot revolving around that...

I don't think the Sligs are important enough within the Quintology to make that interesting. A Glukkon, on the other hand...

Yes. Lets play as another character with extremely limited mobility. That sounds fun.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Eh. The Quintology was originally envisioned as a set of five films. I never really assumed they'd all be made as games.

Actually if you get rid of the suit you'd have an hilariously mobile character.

Nate's funny. He thinks there's going to be movies.

Here's hopping for Citizen Siege.

NOT SET ON ODDWORLD SCRATCHY. (unless citizen siege actually is changed to be set on Oddworld, which would be pretty cool.)

Sligs aren’t important within the Quintology? They’re basically the primary enemy force Abe encounters throughout his quest. Giving us a deeper look at the Sligs and the way their species fits into the world would dramatically change the dynamic of the interactions Abe and his allies have with the Industrialists.

I'm seeing Scratchit from small soldiers.

I think in Munch's Exoddus or Squeek's Oddysee Abe and Munch should apologise to Lulu for ruining his life, and then he goes and helps the natives and becomes playable. If you think about it, Lulu never did anything villainous to deserve having his dreams come true, only to be immediatley crushed by Abe and Munch.

I thought that was the point, to show us that the heroes aren't 100% good and the villains aren't 100% evil.

Yup, now imagine that jumping and flailing around a platformer. Cracked me up :lol:

I think you should re-read my post. I worded it very carefully.

They're just the pawns in the Industrial forces. Looking deeper at the sligs would be like telling the story of a glove-puppet instead of the puppeteer.

I'm not sure, because I can't identify exactly what's wrong with him. He's just irritating to me. Maybe his voice? A little more depth would be nice too.

It's because Munch has an annoying voice and has the intelligence of a cucumber. The squeeking and weird sounds while playing don't help either.