Well yeah. That's how most console releases work. The PS4 is bound to be stupidly expensive upon release like the PS3 was, and since it's a new console that will only have a handful of games out for some time more people would probably drop the money on the previous gen console still in production with a much wider selection of games. It's going to be awhile before people start transitioning over to the PS4.

It depends, the PS4 will probably be as expensive as the PS3 was but I can't imagine they'd make it cost much more unless they are reducing production of initial units even more than they did back in 2007.

Hey, you should totally check out my post in the PS4 thread in Non-Oddworld Gaming.

Also the PS3 was stupidly expensive and didn't it cost more to make it than they were selling it for as it was or something so they were losing money and it took them forever that to stop being a thing

Yeah, but I think that's true of a lot of consoles, they lose money selling the console but then make it all back again with the games. Don't quote me though because I have no idea where I remember that potential factoid from.

Well it makes sense. I just remember Sony getting hit particularly hard with the PS3. At least, hard enough for them to make some what of a fuss about it.

Yeah, they lost a tonne of money due to how expensive the PS3 was to make. They made it back shortly afterwards, though.

Let's keep this thread to discussion specifically about JAW/Oddworld on the PS4 and leave the general console discussion to the thread in NOG.

They have never made it back, the PS3 lost more money than the PS1 and PS2 created combined.

JAW confirmed that the new games they are working on are multiplatform, so don't worry there.

Really? They never made it back? Shit

The PS3 has been profitable since late 2008. Whether it's been profitable enough to cover the costs of R&D and the first two years of its lifecycle, I don't know. But given it's been more than four years since then, I'd suggest it's likely.

No.

[citation needed]

I'm hoping JAW, if developing for the PS4, is also looking to develop for the new Xbox (when it gets announced).

That likely depends on if Microsoft alters their certification process for the new Xbox.

I'd have a major geekgasm if an Oddworld game came to the PS4

Ummmm....why?

Thought you guys might like this if you haven't already seen it- Stew Gilray speaking about the PS4 to IGN:

The first paragraph was dictated by Lorne.

JAW's issues with the certification process were due to the fact that SWHD was not a new game. For Abe HD, there'd be a whole seperate set of issues with the certification process that they'd need to deal with.

That doesn’t really invalidate my point.

Don’t forget that other indie developers have also had bad experiences with Microsoft – Jonathan Blow and Phil Fish, for example. I imagine JAW will be very unenthusiastic with publishing on Xbox unless Microsoft goes out of its way to woo developers.

The PS4 seems like a more friendly place for indie developers and alternative markets, I mean, they mentioned "free to play" right at the beginning of the presentation conference, that's quite a big deal.

I hope Xbox gets its shit together and realise how stupid it is to block games from their distribution pipe that vary from their nice little pattern.

Did they also mention "micro-transactions?"

Of course... that's what allows "free to play" to be profitable.

My point is that I wasn't expecting such a business model to appear on a console that quickly and it shows how flexible PS4 is willing to be.

360 already has at least one F2P game, also fairly certain it is getting more as well.

I wasn't aware of that, which one is it?

Happy Wars, and Ascend New Gods is also coming out and will be F2P.

I prefer knowing less regarding the future. I think the reason I love MO is because I never knew it was coming out till I saw it in the shelves, whereas a lot of the veterans here had been hyped up and subsequently disappointed. Be careful what you wish for....!

Yeah, I too prefer to blindly purchase $60 items, rather than be an informed consumer.

It's a balancing act, too much hype and everyone is disappointed. Too little and no-one knows about it/buys it Ã* la Stranger's Wrath.

Didn't know it existed, saw it on a shelf, recognized Abe, excitedly bought it, was still shit.