CANNABIS USE DOES NOT FUCKING CAUSE SCHIZOPHRENIA

Holy shit. Did you actually follow the citation on wikipedia before posting that?

Can you provide your evidence for that statement? I think there are some scientists that would love to see such evidence because so far there is even a general consensus on such things in the scientific community.

E: @ Zaarin, not WoF

I say it doesn't cause any schizophremia. I can confirm that.

It doesn't cause schizophrenia, but it does have a slight chance to cause a negligible increase in your chances of it developing.


If you're already likely to get it, that is.

What if you already have it?
Ahhhh.

Everybody shut the fuck up about weed and schizos already. Scientists see a possible correlation, but have not proven a causation. They don't know if schizos are more prone to seek usage of weed or if weed might awaken it in those with a possibility of developing it.

I assure you, the science is not in.

Wow, calm down))) Actually, I didn't read that on wikipedia. You can't tell that it causes mental disorders in every case since the nature of the processes involved are still unclear in many ways but there are reports showing positive correlation.

Anyway, you must know it first-hand since you are so firmly confident in your statement :D.

I'm firmly against drug use as it happens, but studying psychology for the last six years; I can't let your bullshit stand.

I think Admiral Zaarin is just a straight edge wuss who needs a reason to dislike weed so he doesn't feel like a loser for not trying it. Ever notice how people who are staunchly opposed to recreational drug use are the lamest stiffs you'll ever meet?

I'm going to go ahead and safely assume that weed doesn't cause schizophrenia, but I'm more than certain it will "enhance" it if you already have it. This goes for all mind altering substances though, including alcohol, and that's still legal.

If you're a diagnosed schizo and you still make the choice to take mindbending drugs, then you deserve whatever bad trip you get.

"I don't think he can possibly believe that. Leads me to think he's just looking for a response."

No, not that, but i did completely f*ck up.

I meant to infer it's a persons biological, or mental mindset, that gets them addicted. People become reliant on something 'cos they're filling a whole.

I only speak of this from experience, too. I've done a plethora of drugs, and i'm not addicted in the slightest. So the whole argument of 'drugs are bad! They're addictive!' kinda gets tossed out of the window.

I do, however, think a tonne of people are more than likely to get addicted. But not 'cos they're addictive themselves, but just 'cos their biological make up makes them so, or they've got other issues.

Whoever said Cocaine is the mother of all drugs, too, i have no idea where that has come from. Again. Speaking from experience. Of a well-rounded, recreational user of drugs.

I'd love to see a bar that just sells grams of MDMA rather than alcohol. The trouble there would be pretty much zero.

But yeh, like someone above said, there're a whole new host of problems that would pop up. ...but hey, if it does away with the black market and crime, gotta be a good thing, right?

Yeah, don't you wanna be like the cool kids Zaarin? Do drugs like the cool kids. Why can't you be fun and cool like the kids that do drugs?

E: Jacob, you didn't change your view or anything, you just elaborated on what you said before, basically the same thing but wordier, so you're still wrong.

Really? We should talk more.
Not necessarily, but I see your point.
i don't think that was exactly his point.
Kind of how when you got bullied at school, parents would say "they're just jealous". That sort of thing.

Yeah, sure...why not.

"E: Jacob, you didn't change your view or anything, you just elaborated on what you said before, basically the same thing but wordier, so you're still wrong."

Care to elaborate on why i am?

"Yeah, don't you wanna be like the cool kids Zaarin? Do drugs like the cool kids. Why can't you be fun and cool like the kids that do drugs?"

Actually genuinely abhor anybody who even believes that doing drugs makes you cool. It's the equivalent of having a bunch of 'cool' kids lording it over none coffee drinkers. It's cringey and disrespectful.

You do drugs for the experience. Not to be with the 'in' crowd.

Not to forget about your sh*t life.

To feel things that would otherwise pass you by.

Just to clarify, that bit at Zaarin wasn't directed at you, I couldn't tell by your post whether you thought it was or not.

As to why you're wrong, you say this:

This is false. To take cigarettes as an example, cigarettes contain nicotine. Nicotine is a stimulant and to an extent, euphoric. It is also chemically addictive. Drugs themselves are generally addictive substances. That is why you are wrong. If you want me to go into the science of it I probably can but I don't want to waste my time unless you're going to continue being stubborn.

I think that Jacob is overstating his case somewhat. It's ridiculous to say that certain drugs are not addictive at all - and I don't think that's actually what he's trying to say - but something in an individual person's body chemistry and neural makeup will control how strongly a drug will affect them. Some people can snort cocaine once, think to themselves 'That was interesting' and then never do it again. Whereas other people will get a full blown addiction and destroy their lives.

It is however true that some people have a physiological resistance against chemical addiction, just like an introverted personality is formed by being more neurologically sensitive than the population average.

Oh

Nate got there first

You are wrong again.
Most of the time it's just for the experience, but other times it is just to be with the 'in' crowd.

Also, I hate to be 'that' guy, but please could you start using quotes instead of speech marks? It just makes it easier to read, that's all.

I don't think you get it. Try inserting the word 'should' into his sentence.

Well that makes more sense. I do understand that some people have stronger will power to turn it down. But to say that drugs have no affect on the user - addiction-wise, is just silly.

Okay this really annoyed me. I can't stand when people have the attitude that if somebody is against trying something they are a boring fuck.

By the way, what do we think of alcohol being legal? Out of all hard drugs alcohol causes by far the most deaths, accidents and it costs the most money to treat the aftermath of alcohol related accidents.

I happened to see a documentary on alcohol abuse and how Arizona dealt with it. First time drunk drivers actually get a 10 day jail sentence and a fine that can go up to 7000 dollars. Go Arizona!

i agree with quite a few people here while disagree with an equal amount, but i can't be fucked replying to everything so i'll just keep it simple. weed has replaced my drinking habit for many reasons, mainly because too much drink exacerbated my depression. it's cheaper than beer, healthier than beer (it can be used in many different ways, not just smoked which isn't good for your lungs (although as a side note tokers are apparently more likely to have greater lung capacity than non-tokers because they're used to holding their breath during smoking, which i find odd but understandable)) and you don't want to fight everyone after a smoke, which is what i hated about alcohol. also since i stopped drinking i have lost some considerable weight, and weed don't make ya fat.

and for those playing the fucking psychosis/schizophrenic cards yet again, i can happily say that it has had no negative effects on my psychosis, and has had plenty of positive effects on my depression, including a better, brighter outlook on life.

also the children screaming DRUGS R BAD are just repeating what they've been told to say in school. when you get to a certain age you suddenly realize that this is it. this is life. so fucking enjoy it. i smoke tobacco because i like to but also because the stress of current day to day life forces some people to. sometimes i need a cigarette just to calm me down, just for a couple of minutes. this is because the country/world is run by fucking cunts, to put it bluntly.

like Havoc and someone else mentioned, if drugs are so fucking bad, why is alcohol legal? and tobacco? you can even go as far as mentioning coffee, tea and energy drinks, because all of these things are classed as drugs by the same people who 'protect' you from the dangers of weed. they're doing a great job with all the tobacco and alcohol related addictions and deaths, don't you think? so what do they do to deter people from taking these drugs? illegalize? why, raise the prices of course! that way people who are addicted to alcohol/nicotine have to pay more for their filthy habit which all goes to the government and the people that actually make the drug so they can make more of the drug and eventually charge you more, again. that's because these drugs make plenty of money that is now being relied upon, and the income is continuous due to addiction. it's perfect. get the nation addicted to shit and make them pay more and more for it. we're being farmed. like drones, we're just here to make up the numbers and supply the cash. they don't want us to stop paying for this shit because they've grown comfortable with it's income, they don't want to give up that slice of the pie, and probably can't afford to do so now anyway.

we decide what is legal and what isn't, not God, not some supercomputer called AM. humans. then why should we live by someone else's deluded rules? outdated rules? even worse, these rules are laws that lead to punishment if broken, and there is absolutely fuck all you can do about it because you will always be outnumbered by more ignorant people that believe they're doing what is good and right for the world and their country, and that you are wrong and you must be punished. how terrifying does that sound? yet we live in that world, it's scandalous. legalizing weed could be a big financial booster for this miserable little fucking island, another step towards trying to get this country off it's arse, we just need to grow up.

so that's my two-penneth rant.

Because they are boring fucks.
Besides, I didn't mean that people who haven't tried it are boring. It's people who make a big stink out of weed being this evil vice who buy into all the anti-weed propaganda who are boring, insecure shits. This is why I used the phrasing "staunchly opposed".

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? You really don't know enough about him to comment do you?

I already changed my post. I'm being too harsh. Keep up with me.

A minute after I posted mine no less. Whilst it's true cannabis is pretty tame compared to some drugs (for the most part) and I do advocate its legalisation, if not for the economic benefits rather than the actual liberal aspect, I do know that it can cause enormous amounts of shit for people who are easily addicted or who rely on it too much. It's caused in part the breakdown of friends' relationships and there was one person I met who went from being a banker on a seven-figure salary to a recovering addict who used weed as a treadstone to get to heroin within a decade or two. It can be dangerous and there should be real, independent studies into its positives and negatives before any legalisation.

I wonder if that's because more people use it than any other drug, and in every echelon of society?

I might be wrong here, but I don't think that'd be such a problem with weed, I think it's one of the less addictive drugs out there. Again though, I might be wrong.

And how does that make it okay? If cocaine was legal it would produce the same numbers, yet that stuff is illegal. Seemingly because of that very reason.

There's a difference between addiction and dependence. Marijuana could be a gateway drug, I think that's everyone's main concern. Having spoken to a recovering addict, as I've said, he was most dangerous and most sneaky whilst under the vice of weed rather than cocaine and heroin which he went on to later.

I expect most people are drunk the first time they try most drugs, just because that's the nature of a relaxed (or rowdy) social occasion for young people. I guess that makes alcohol the most widespread gateway drug, if such a thing even exists.

I mean, your spliff doesn't unroll itself to reveal a crack pipe. People get you into hard drugs, not plants. Persuasive druggy people are the real facilitative "gateway".

But then, I'm a neurotic square who never even gets drunk because he's worried about what he might do while uninhibited. What do I know?

I was like that until I was about twenty.

Then I started getting drunk occasionally on my own.

The moral of this story, I guess, is that being a loser is suffering.

Cocaine would never be popular if it were legal. Cultural reasons alone can account for that.

One can consume alcohol responsibly. Is it even possible to do the same with cocaine?

But I can understand why Cocaine is illeagal, the same can't be said for weed.

Depends on the person, like with alcohol. Some people can drink straight Scotch all night and feel fine, others can barely handle a single beer. Same with coke. You can snort one line and be just slightly jazzed, or you could totally lose your fucking mind.

Also depends on how good the stuff is.

Case in point; Charlie Sheen.

I get drunk from a single beer or two... makes night outs very cheap and very shortlived... Depending.. of course.

People don't do weed, then think "Gee whizz, i could really do with some smack right around now."

The 'gateway' argument is only valid due to who you hang around with. If you're smoking weed, chances are you're hanging around with people, or know people, who do other drugs, so the opportunity is there.

I don't particularly like weed. The amount of stoners i know who throw the 'I AIN'T NO DAMN ADDICT' card, whilst rolling their 3rd joint in the space of 4 hours is ludicrous. Obviously, maybe they're one offs and so my stance against weed is invalid...but still, it's coloured my opinion.

In England we've had some independant research done on drugs, but in both cases were the guys doing the investigating have come back with a 'Yeah, they're not that bad', the Government shook their mighty heads and brushed them aside. Sacking one, whilst the others resigned.

I do think the whole thing needs to be looked at. Taxing drugs would help with the economy, but also probably create a two tier system.

Meh.

I blame ugly people.

Kill 'em all.

Didn't our last Labour government re-classify weed from a C to a B? We're going fucking backwards.