The green one does look better.

The only reason I'm chipping in here is because people are saying negative things about iOS that just aren't true. If you're going to argue that the operating system you prefer is better, use valid arguments!

I'm not against android. I'm not crazy in love with iOS. I'm just attracted to nice things, and Apple does nice things. Anyone who says android is simpler to use than iOS doesn't really know what they're on about. You can't beat iOS's ease-of-use.

I'm actually hoping Windows Phone 8 takes off well. It'd be nice to see it develop more as future updates are brought out. I've had a windows phone 7 device since April.

Windows 8 OS looks like shit, although I can't criticise the OS itself, I haven't used it.

Android is better than iOS. People don't think that though, because of the brainwashed cunts who always jump on the latest bandwagon.

Fuck BlackBerry.

:(

How about this? I much prefer Android to iOS. And I am right, it is better
Good 'nough?

Windows 8 as a desktop, fucking sucks. As a tablet OS, is really good. Let's see what the future brings.

Win8 looks like the best tablet OS to me by a long way. It feels like a cut down desktop rather than a beefed up phone.

Other than that, everything Manco said and nothing Nep said.

http://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress...d-and-shit.jpg

I saw footage from Windows 8 and I don't like the user interface. Better to stick with Windows 7 for now, I only upgraded from XP to 7 in April.

I've noticed that pattern as well. You'd think Microsoft would realize it, and stop making shit OS' every time they make a good one.

Anyways, I haven't seen anything concerning Windows 8, but it's gotten so much bad press that I think I'll be avoiding it for a while.

Vista wasn't shit though.

Seriously. It wasn't.

Also, 95, shit? In comparison to what exactly?

It wasn't shit, but it could have been better. Honestly, I don't really get the Vista-hate either.

But in general Microsoft seems to have followed this pattern and done a pretty good job of it.

What was so bad about WinME? It didn't bring anything specially new*, but I don't remember having any problems with it


*except that AWESOME FEATURE to set a custom background for selected folders!

Woah man! where did you win it from, I would love an iPad.

You may not like it, but the internet runs on Flash. Until HTML5 is both standardised and supported well by browsers, it's much better to have Flash than not.


That's rubbish. Anyone who tells you that you need to root an Android phone is talking through their arse. The only people I know who have rooted their phones are either developers or people who really, really don't like bloatware.

Here's where Android's customisation is important: You don't like the default browser? Fine, there are 6 great browsers available for free in the Play Store and a fair few more of varying quality with novel UIs. You don't like the keyboard? Try Swiftkey, Swype or any of the others. You don't like the email app, the message app, the calendar app, any of the widgets... just install something new. Android gives options. iOS doesn't.

And the only reason that iOS doesn't is because Apple are money grabbing scumbags, but we already know that. And they have a stick up their arse about Samsung Galaxy.

I think it's more Apple trying to be "unique" and "innovative" than anything. I don't see what not supporting Flash has to do with being money-grabbing.

Though they are money-grabbing

http://molempire.com/wp-content/uplo...Meme-flash.jpg


Seriously though, I don't understand either why not support Flash and/or HTML5. I think Apple got bashed so badly, that they now support flash.

My first computer had Windows ME, and I only upgraded to XP in late Summer of 2007. It was awesome the highly-costumizable themes, but a big problem of the OS was the constant BSODs and overall instability. The crashes were so frequent that I almost needed to do an OS reinstall almost every 6 months. Since I started using XP (now the 7) I wouldn't hold a system crash anymore.

How could you use an OS that crashes every 6 months for 7 years(assuming)? I would have lost my patience and switched to XP as soon as I could.

I was a kid. I also had to get a new computer assembled from scratch with the new OS.

I must have had a lucky copy, then ._. Or a pretty compatible hardware. I don't recall having any BSOD on my ME

I won it from Vodafone Portugal on a contest.

I think that this simply isn’t true any more. A few years ago maybe, but every major browser is pushing updates on users and are supporting HTML5 standards; more and more websites are adopting HTML5 (Youtube and Vimeo for example); major operating systems like iOS and Windows 8 are either refusing to support Flash or are sidelining it; and even Adobe themselves are moving to repurpose Flash for purposes other than web design – and they discontinued their Android Flash Player.

The surge in smartphone and tablet web browsing makes Flash more antiquated every day, and the internet is adapting to a more device-agnostic position to compensate.


Eh, fair enough. I’m no expert on Android so I was just going off what Nepsotic said.


Customisation just isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, I feel. You can spend forever fine-tuning your device to do everything from tell you when to eat to burn toast, or you can get a device which just goes and does what you need it to with no fuss.

Everyone’s boat is different, and mine floats on simpler waters.


God forbid a company that makes hardware defends its hardware designs.


http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

It’s an interesting perspective, actually.


iOS still doesn’t support Flash, what are you talking about.

What do you mean "defends it's hardware designs"? They had a go because of a screen bump animation that was similar to iOS's, they're a bunch of cunts.

Unless every flash site that I visited already has a HTML5 version, it does support it. Everyone says no, even tech experts, so I'll believe them, I guess.

Not quite.


All I can find is some reports of Adobe coming up with some kind of middleware solution. iOS still does not natively support Flash.

Dunno then. Not that I really care either.

It’s probably a case of most websites coming to terms and adopting alternative solutions.

Most likely.

I would say "not taking the computer to the limit", because my computer hardware back in Windows ME was among the best stuff you could get in its time like for example a NVIDIA GeForce 256 and a Pentium III CPU.

Actually, no, I believe I had a pretty decent rig back then. Maybe not a GeForce card yet, but a Voodoo 3d accelerator

There are a lot more websites using Flash than just Youtube and Vimeo. Until every website supports HTML5, I'd prefer to have the option than be stuck with a broken icon. And not even Youtube fully supports HTML5 yet; not every video is available if you're using the HTML5 player.

And, as I said, HTML5 hasn't been standardised and isn't ready for primetime. It's currently adequate for video playing but I'm yet to see any sites that are using it for funky user interfaces like they do with Flash.


You've drunk the Apple Cool Aid if you really think that's true. This isn't about finetuning; this is about having options for dramatically different user interfaces/experiences.

Apple has lost almost every design patent suit against Samsung. The big legal case that they won in America was based on software patents, specifically the scroll-bounce effect. And in the time since they won that suit, that patent has been invalidated so Samsung will probably win on appeal.

Here's some not so good comedy-y thing.


Not really comedy, but who cares...

I’m not trying to say that every website out there has thrown out Flash, my point was that a huge majority have and the ecosystem for internet-connected devices is rapidly pushing Flash out. Yes, you will still run across site which use it, but they’re few and far between, and the number is dwindling.

Anecdotally, it took about a week or two from me getting my new computer to actually install Flash Player on it. I just didn’t run across anything that made me need to install it in that time.


HTML5 may not be standardised yet but it is totally ready for primetime. Every major browser now has HTML5 compatibility for the majority of new elements, including CSS3 and video tags.

It’s not standardised, but browsers support it and developers are using it. People are moving away from funky Flash website interfaces because mobile and tablet users simply will not see those websites and because the combination of HTML5, CSS3 and Javascript can do crazy things (see: Beercamp 2012 and 2011).


I love that having a differing opinion gets me dismissed as being an Apple sheep.

Having dramatically different user experiences is not always a good goal. The key with user experience is consistency and familiarity; you can very quickly lose that by offering too many options, and the wider Android ecosystem is a good example of that.


The Verge’s coverage only mentions their losing cases in Japan and the UK. I haven’t heard about any other cases, what have I missed?

I want you all to shut up now.

Second.

A lot have, yes. Most of the bigger sites have, yes. But it's not a majority.

Like I said, the stuff for videos has been pretty well supported, but the interface stuff hasn't. Try accessing the more experimental sites in Chrome, Firefox and IE and see how differently they handle the code.

Because you're paraphrasing the sort of thing that Steve Jobs used to say and he was full of shit on that topic. Apple's philosophy is 'You must do things our way because we're smarter than you and we know how you should be doing it'. Google's philosophy is to give everyone a usable, convenient interface, but then to give the power users a Settings button so they can change things to their liking.

I'm not sure, but I think you may be talking about how every manufacturer develops their own skin for Android. First of all, they're not as different as you think. Secondly, who cares? For the two years that I had my old phone, everything was internally consistent. For the first week I had my new phone, it took me a while to get used to it, then everything was internally consistent. Variations between manufacturers or handsets are irrelevant.

But in case you were talking about giving options for apps; that's a ridiculous point. Just like what I was saying before about basic users and power users; the fact that you can choose a different app if you like doesn't complicate matters. My mum has an Android phone and she couldn't care less that there are ten other browsers out there. But I do, and I installed several of them on my phone at once, compared them and kept the ones I want. This is about giving people choice, not forcing choice down their throats.

This is what I was talking about with respect to the rubber-banding patent invalidated.

Dolphin. I like Dolphin. Opera can go fuck itself. Do you use Dolphin, Nate?

I did, until I upgraded to Android 4.0 and then I installed Chrome.