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Manco 09-16-2012 02:40 PM

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Use the minimum amount of force required to protect yourself. As a last resort, since there are probably smarter ways to do it if you have the sense to figure them out.

As the Doctor said, "violence doesn't end violence. It extends it."

Or as someone who isn’t fictional once said:
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Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars... Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.


Wings of Fire 09-16-2012 02:48 PM

Or from another dead black guy:

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38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Bullet Magnet 09-16-2012 03:09 PM

No one is touching my cloke.

Nate 09-16-2012 03:27 PM

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I know, but what is the correct response to violence?

When you move to Libya, you'll need to know the correct response to violence. Until then, you can rest easy and stick with words.

OANST 09-17-2012 07:01 AM

What the fuck? Jacob?


That's my contribution.

STM 09-17-2012 08:33 AM

What about peace through war? A hypothetical war to end all wars, what about that?

MeechMunchie 09-17-2012 08:49 AM

To end all conflict, a war would have to wipe out the entire human race. I think that's probably something we want to avoid.

Bullet Magnet 09-17-2012 09:18 AM

Probably.

Actually, now that I think about it...

STM 09-17-2012 11:09 AM

Oh no. BM is thinking again.

Bullet Magnet 09-17-2012 12:42 PM

I'm founding the Involuntary Human Extinction Movement. Come to think of it, we're all working towards that already.

Mac Sirloin 09-17-2012 01:24 PM

I don't know what it is but it's awful and I hate it and the reaction to it and everything is terrible.

Varrok 09-17-2012 01:33 PM

I like it. Count me in

Laser 09-17-2012 01:58 PM

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What the fuck? Jacob?


That's my contribution.

This was my exact thought process when I saw this thread. He was the dude who did the "Should ugly people procreate" thread, right?

On topic: I've never truly understood why Muslims get so angry and zealous when someone critiques or satirises their religion. I haven't heard of any recent angry Christians do something this extreme and they get it in the neck constantly from the likes of Richard Dawkins and the like.

Mac Sirloin 09-17-2012 02:53 PM

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On topic: I've never truly understood why Muslims get so angry and zealous when someone critiques or satirises their religion. I haven't heard of any recent angry Christians do something this extreme and they get it in the neck constantly from the likes of Richard Dawkins and the like.

Yeah apart from the one who killed 77 people, mostly minors, last year.

Everything is terrible.

scrabface 09-17-2012 03:20 PM

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This was my exact thought process when I saw this thread. He was the dude who did the "Should ugly people procreate" thread, right?

On topic: I've never truly understood why Muslims get so angry and zealous when someone critiques or satirises their religion. I haven't heard of any recent angry Christians do something this extreme and they get it in the neck constantly from the likes of Richard Dawkins and the like.

the Islam is a much younger religion than Christianity. also do you seriously believe that every culture and religion develops at the same speed?

Bullet Magnet 09-17-2012 03:43 PM

It used to be better. There was a 300 year period in which Baghdad was the cultural centre of the world.

Havoc 09-17-2012 03:45 PM

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the Islam is a much younger religion than Christianity. also do you seriously believe that every culture and religion develops at the same speed?

No but Islam is REALLLY taking its sweet time.

Nate 09-17-2012 04:03 PM

It took Christianity 2000 years to get to this point. Islam is currently at the point that Christianity was 500-1000 years ago.

Mac Sirloin 09-17-2012 04:07 PM

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It used to be better. There was a 300 year period in which Baghdad was the cultural centre of the world.

Aw man, did you see the one Sandman comic about that? That shit was killer.

Bullet Magnet 09-17-2012 04:09 PM

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It took Christianity 2000 years to get to this point. Islam is currently at the point that Christianity was 500-1000 years ago.

Basically, the crusades.

If such comparisons actually work. Sikhism is only 500-600 ears old, and it's not especially violent.

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Aw man, did you see the one Sandman comic about that? That shit was killer.

No, but I saw the mathematics. Algebra, algorithms, numerals. And the names of the stars.

Mac Sirloin 09-17-2012 04:17 PM

Well, okay, in Sandman, they had like, advance technologies we haven't even discovered. Like flying carpets. And a form of emphasis above and beyond the brute force of italicisation. And flying carpets.

Islam used to be the bomb, now Islam is just wack.

I'm leaving this thread, because if it is not outrageously clear already, I can't comprehend how I can give a shit about this.

Havoc 09-17-2012 04:28 PM

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It took Christianity 2000 years to get to this point. Islam is currently at the point that Christianity was 500-1000 years ago.

Christianity didn't have a modern civalization everywhere around it where they could take reference from. Not that christianity is perfect because they still live in the stone age on many fronts just the same.

Wings of Fire 09-17-2012 04:55 PM

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Christianity didn't have a modern civalization everywhere around it where they could take reference from.

If you can't see culture shock as an oppressive force then you're not even trying to understand the other side, just projecting moral absolutes on them.

Look at how badly Buddhist Japan resisted the encroaching western influence for hundreds of years. This isn't a problem isolated to Islam.

Havoc 09-17-2012 05:30 PM

I didn't say it was. Every religion refuses to learn from other religions or cultures or even scientific discoveries because they always think they have all the right answers. Behavior like that is dangerous in any condition, not just Islam.

Laser 09-18-2012 01:53 AM

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the Islam is a much younger religion than Christianity. also do you seriously believe that every culture and religion develops at the same speed?

I didn't know it was a younger religion. I thought it was one of the really old ones like Hinduism

Wings of Fire 09-18-2012 02:26 AM

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I didn't know it was a younger religion. I thought it was one of the really old ones like Hinduism

Islam is an extension of Christianity just like Christianity is an extension of Judaism how could you not know that

Havoc 09-18-2012 05:29 AM

I didn't know that either. I know Christianity and Islam are basically based on the same thing though, right down to abusing little kids. Islam just made it legal.

STM 09-18-2012 07:28 AM

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Islam is an extension of Christianity just like Christianity is an extension of Judaism how could you not know that

Perhaps it never interested him. Not everyone has such an extensive and intricate understanding of all things like your own.

Islam is one of the younger faiths, Laser. Founded in 610 I think.

Wings of Fire 09-18-2012 07:38 AM

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Perhaps it never interested him. Not everyone has such an extensive and intricate understanding of all things like your own.

Okay, I was raised a Roman Catholic, so there's a bit of bias here, but I assumed it was common knowledge that Jesus was a prophet of God in the Islam faith.

Islam is refered to as an Abrahamic faith for a reason; that being that it comes from Abraham and Judaism.

Varrok 09-18-2012 08:25 AM

I knew that and I'm totally not interested. I also thought it was a common knowledge

Manco 09-18-2012 08:40 AM

I knew Jesus was considered a prophet in the Islamic faith, but it never crossed my mind that Christianity was older.

But then, I don’t know much about many religions.

Mac Sirloin 09-18-2012 08:43 AM

At least Mormons are nice. Apart from that 'blacks are unacceptable' business up til the 70's

Bullet Magnet 09-18-2012 08:50 AM

China still has that policy.

OANST 09-18-2012 09:36 AM

I always thought it was weird that Jesus would be considered a prophet by Muslims. It seems really conciliatory, like okay, we'll accept that your messiah was a pretty cool guy, and a messenger of god, even though we don't think he's the son of god. I mean, when else has Islam ever been willing to bend where their faith comes in. You'd think they would be denouncing him for blasphemy.

Wings of Fire 09-18-2012 10:35 AM

Because Islam evolved from Christianity and not Judaism? Islam denouncing Christ would be like Christianity denouncing Moses and the Ten Commandments.

OANST 09-18-2012 11:50 AM

I understand that it evolved from it, but arguing that something is logical when talking about religion doesn't really answer the question. Much of religion is completely illogical, and Muslims vehemently hate anyone who puts themselves on a level with their god.

Wings of Fire 09-18-2012 11:52 AM

So just ignore and decanonize the scriptures where Jesus claims to be God/the son of God etc. I mean, Christianity itself does it enough.

OANST 09-18-2012 12:11 PM

I understand what they did. I'm just saying that I find it strange.

Wings of Fire 09-18-2012 12:12 PM

I DUNNO OKAY

Bullet Magnet 09-18-2012 01:30 PM

Muslims don't believe that he said those things. I don't even know that he said those things.

A lot of Muslims don't even believe Christianity is monotheistic. 2000 years and the Trinity hasn't started making sense yet.