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Bullet Magnet 05-02-2012 01:54 PM

I don't know what you guys are struggling with, he clearly says "confess".

Xavier 05-02-2012 10:46 PM

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In fact, How about JAW remake the Abe A gogo ad for the release of Abe HD? All the team has to dance whilst Stewart is dressed as Abe.

I am afraid that a trailer like that would be a total waste as the only ones to 'get' that video are already die hard fans and will probably buy the game anyway. Newcomers on the other hand will just have a huge wtf moment and walk away.

Connell 05-03-2012 07:29 AM

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I am afraid that a trailer like that would be a total waste as the only ones to 'get' that video are already die hard fans and will probably buy the game anyway. Newcomers on the other hand will just have a huge wtf moment and walk away.

I've got a strange feeling he wasn't be serious in the slightest..

Wil 05-03-2012 08:50 AM

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Why does it say "It's time to confess"? It doesn't make much sense

I presume because it's trying to get Abe to confess to what he's done in the course of the game.

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In fact, How about JAW remake the Abe A gogo ad for the release of Abe HD? All the team has to dance whilst Stewart is dressed as Abe.

COUNT ME IN!

Sekto Springs 05-03-2012 08:54 AM

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Newcomers on the other hand will just have a huge wtf moment and walk away.
I don't know if you were joking or not, but I can tell you right now that the Japanese commercial would only expand the fanbase, not diminish it.

Glitch 05-04-2012 02:18 AM

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In fact, How about JAW remake the Abe A gogo ad for the release of Abe HD? All the team has to dance whilst Stewart is dressed as Abe.

I'm all for any excuse to dress up as a Japanese school girl.

STM 05-04-2012 07:03 AM

As if you need an excuse. We've seen you, Glitch. We've seen you.

SpAM_CAN 05-04-2012 03:44 PM

For some reason I'm getting flashbacks to a MO Windows Media Player visualization.

abe is now! 05-05-2012 08:10 AM

I actually prefeer the original one, I don't like the dialogue change!

pupbenny 05-05-2012 08:18 AM

This is brilliant! :D

pupbenny 05-06-2012 08:50 AM

Do you guys think this might've been a test for Abe HD? You know, perhaps they was testing making the cutscenes HD with this?

Nate 05-06-2012 05:48 PM

Wil's post above implies that it was a file they found in the archives rather than something they produced new.

pupbenny 05-07-2012 02:28 AM

Ah.

Dipstikk 05-10-2012 04:48 PM

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Why does it say "It's time to confess"? It doesn't make much sense, I love that aggressiveness in the voice at the end though, and all the way through the video it sounds more sinister.

It makes sense that the Shrink would say something like that, but the fresh faced new Oddworld fans (and probably a lot of older fans) aren't going to KNOW what a Shrink is, because Shrinks were never actually featured in the game's gameplay or in the game's cinematics, so to them, the line is going to sound out of place. Or, rather, they'll be asking themselves, "what is that thing, and what does it want Abe to confess to?"

In fact, the original line doesn't make much sense, either, since the Shrink's lines "doesn't mean there's no hope" and "You need to look within if you wanna be free" sounds like he's giving Abe advice or encourage him. Except, the Shrink is supposed to be an antagonist.

Sure, they both SOUND cool and menacing and fit the tone of the commercial, but... yeah.

Scrabaniac 05-11-2012 05:32 AM

Aside from the Guardian Angel FMV, could someone explain this to me please?...
In he opening of abe's oddysee he says 'i just had to escape, i just had to be free, and i didnt know i had a destiny, so get me outta here!" - i always thought that in the Demo of this game there was an extra line which was "and help me rescue the others". I dont know if its my imagination running wild or if they cut it out from the official full release of the game back in '97.

pupbenny 05-11-2012 06:24 AM

You're right. Well I don't know if it was in the demo or whereever it was but I'm also sure that in some it said that.

Wil 05-11-2012 06:25 AM

You're absolutely correct. Except it's possible it wasn't removed from the final game, but added to the demo to make the gameplay more explicit for players.

DarkHoodness 05-11-2012 06:34 AM

I've been looking at the demo movie recently. And yes, it's an abridged version of the full FMV that was done differently, both to save filesize space and give the player a small taster of the full game without giving too much away. Watch it here (click).

morgl015 05-11-2012 06:36 AM

The "It's time to confess" makes me feel Abe failed to save the mudokons and his fellow brothers are actually in control of the shrink.
Actually are shrink's suppose to have a mind of its own or is suppose to be controlled by someone?

Wil 05-11-2012 06:55 AM

They have their own AI.

pupbenny 05-11-2012 07:12 AM

Wil, will Shrinks be making an appearance in Abe HD?

Wil 05-11-2012 07:33 AM

I've campaigned to have one make a cameo, but it looks like that won't happen. It's a very complicated model just for a cameo.

pupbenny 05-11-2012 08:35 AM

Well have it as a full thing, eh!? Or.... perhaps there could be footage of that video on a screen somewhere maybe a secreat area?

Scrabaniac 05-11-2012 08:41 AM

Talking of secret areas, Abe's Exoddus provided bottles to give away secrets, what will abe HD provide?

pupbenny 05-11-2012 09:32 AM

Eh, bottles?

Wil 05-11-2012 09:36 AM

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Well have it as a full thing, eh!? Or.... perhaps there could be footage of that video on a screen somewhere maybe a secreat area?

Why would there be a video of a future event playing on a screen?

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Talking of secret areas, Abe's Exoddus provided bottles to give away secrets, what will abe HD provide?

Nothing as obvious. We have a solution for RuptureFarms. We might come up with different solutions for other areas that play on the same idea.

Scrabaniac 05-11-2012 10:01 AM

I can understand rupturefarms, the occasional barrel was a good idea, possibly scrabania may have a type of cave painting or haystack and paramonia may have a paramite cocoon or a nest of small beetles or spiders? The free fire zone may be hard to think of, maybe some sort of mudokon grave or corpse? I don't know, these are just ideas swimming in my head, but im sure whatever you guys come up with will be fantastic.

Nepsotic 05-11-2012 10:17 AM

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Wil, will Shrinks be making an appearance in Abe HD?

There is debates that the Shrink appeared in the original, in the background somewhere in zulag 3, I know what place they're talking about, but looking at it closely, I doubt it is the shrink. It looks more like some sort of construct, like the windmill in the background of Paramonia (which was a nice touch) rather than a AI or living thing. Decide for yourself. Or ask Wil.

Spooce-aholic 05-11-2012 12:11 PM

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Talking of secret areas, Abe's Exoddus provided bottles to give away secrets, what will abe HD provide?

Maybe they'll use what they used in AO. Ambient sounds that are out of place.

Wil 05-11-2012 12:36 PM

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There is debates that the Shrink appeared in the original, in the background somewhere in zulag 3, I know what place they're talking about, but looking at it closely, I doubt it is the shrink. It looks more like some sort of construct, like the windmill in the background of Paramonia (which was a nice touch) rather than a AI or living thing. Decide for yourself. Or ask Wil.

Well I didn't work on the original, but I think after 15 years I might have noticed.

Side note: Holy shit, 15 years.

What's the screen code of the place you're thinking of?

pupbenny 05-12-2012 02:57 AM

ATTENTION: ACHTUNG: LISTEN UP: AND ALL THAT:

OK!

I'VE WORKED ALL OF THIS THING WITH THE GUARDIAN ANGEL OUT!!

Ok, all of what happens with Abe in AO happens. Then he gets captured by the Sligs in the end. But BEFORE he is executed (or not) as seen here: http://youtu.be/UL-2NQVifDE and http://youtu.be/gCDlDsIFbfE
The Guardian Angel scene takes place, in that very same room where he's going to be executed. If you don't believe me it's the same room in both scenes. Just look at the background, you've got the molluk suks grafiti and the tally grafiti AND it even says on the Oddworld Wiki that it appears to be the same room.

AND! (Yes, there is more.) The "if you wanna be free" line was to advertise the game, but in this story it wouldn't make sence. So the "It's time to confess!" line sounds like the Shrink is trying to get Abe to confess to all of what he's done in the game.

*Takes break.*

SO,

Abe does all his things in AO.

Abe, gets captured by the sligs.

Abe, in the cell or whatever that room could be called, has the Shrink come to try and get him to confess to all the things he's done in AO.

And then Molluk has Abe executed OR Abe's mudoken friends save him.

That will be all.

*That train station intercom 'ding dong' noise plays.*

Sidewinder Fang 05-12-2012 03:44 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we all knew that already.

pupbenny 05-12-2012 06:13 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you might've.

Scrabaniac 05-12-2012 10:07 AM

Also what I picked up on, the demo has more gore, there was a type of blending sound when you or someone else gets cut up by the meat grinders, plus it gave off a lot more blood, how come the official release changed the sounds and gore? (also including abe saying stay here instead of wait)

Sekto Springs 05-12-2012 10:34 AM

Not a bad theory Pupbenny, but we're all pretty sure they just used a stock environment for the Guardian Angle video without any intention of contextual implication.

DarkHoodness 05-12-2012 11:38 AM

I'm pretty sure that what Pupbenny said was heavily implied in the Oddworld: First Ten Years book in the part that documented when they were trying to identify concepts for AO.

Crashpunk 05-12-2012 01:25 PM

If it's set when Abe is captured, Then why did the Angel show him the dangers of his quest?
Abe would of seen and done all that.

But nevertheless, Not a bad theory.

DarkHoodness 05-12-2012 01:45 PM

From The Art of Oddworld Inhabitants, page 49:

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In this scene, a captured Abe is subjected to the propaganda and harassment of The Shrink. A mechanical spider with a TV for a face, a Shrink is a very sophisticated Artificial Intelligence designed by Vykkers to keep high-value captives productive. Shrinks are especially useful in dealing Mudokons and conducting high-level Vykker diplomacy with other Industrial families of Mudos.

Phylum 05-12-2012 03:39 PM

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If it's set when Abe is captured, Then why did the Angel show him the dangers of his quest?
Abe would of seen and done all that.

But nevertheless, Not a bad theory.

It's a trailer. Don't think too much into it.

pupbenny 05-13-2012 12:25 AM

Wil (or anyone who works at JAW, I just address Wil because he's the only one on tthe forums that I know definately works at JAW I think....), while you're making MO HD, I presume you'd need to make the models from scratch. Well, while you're at it, why don't you guys put in some fo the stuff that OI were going to put in MO but didn't have the time?