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Varrok 01-16-2012 11:50 PM

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Had a few of these now. Pretty cool.
Nice, I've encountered only one yet

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Don't underestimate the 'smarter'. The quality of the pathfinding on the red zombie guys is directly proportional to how difficult they are to beat. Previously I could just lead them in circles, now they ambush me in pincer formations when I try to do that. And they're about 50% faster than they were when I started, regeneration and all.
I honesty don't think that the same type of monster gets 'smarter' on lower levels (Unless it's a colored variation)

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The enemies that continue to get the better of me are the hopping guys with blood around their neck. The ones that can send 4 bullets out when they do a large jump. When there are more than 4 of them in a room I'm guaranteed to get hit. The really fast worm things that first appear in The Depths are fairly annoying, too. Roomfuls of them become really stressful.
Those are nasty, but my personal most hated enemies are
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../e/ec/Maws.png - IMO they appear too fast, and contrast with easier enemies on level

MeechMunchie 01-17-2012 09:56 AM

Varrok, I honestly do think that the same type of monster gets 'smarter' on later playthroughs.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Credits%29.png aren't too bad if you've got space to circlestrafe.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Credits%29.png, as Phylum said, are bitches.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Credits%29.png are okay on their own, even as multiples, but in conjunction with any other kind of enemy, even http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Credits%29.png, it's almost certain death. Which is why I always go for an invincibility item if I can get one.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Credits%29.png are frustrating and satisfying in equal measure.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Credits%29.png are annoying at best, *imaginary expletive* at worst.

My personal nemeses are http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Credits%29.png, http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Credits%29.png and http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Credits%29.png, in that order.

So what bosses do you hate? I wish Peeps would fuck off and die in a hole.

STM 01-17-2012 10:09 AM

Gurdy the little shite.

Varrok 01-17-2012 10:10 AM

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Varrok, I honestly do think that the same type of monster gets 'smarter' on later playthroughs.
There's nothing about that on BoI wiki afaik, and "Game's got harder" after 6completion is just more colored enemies, without actual "IQ" increase

also, Peep? GURDY, he so much pisses me off, I wish I could overkill him...

MeechMunchie 01-17-2012 11:19 AM

The Wiki doesn't know everything, and I know what I saw.

Gurdy's okay. Bomb, run in circles, shoot boils as they appear, leave flies until the end, repeat.

Varrok 01-17-2012 11:41 AM

4 Boils at the time + gurdy's attacks + a pooter = *almost* impossible to get nodmg, which got me mad several times : ( He's not hard to kill (no BoI boss is), but he's a pain in the A while trying to get Spelunker Boy

Wings of Fire 01-17-2012 01:41 PM

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He's not hard to kill (no BoI boss is)

You're better than us. We get it already.

MeechMunchie 01-17-2012 01:59 PM

He edited that bit in. He looked at his original post and thought "Hey, that almost suggests I'm not great. Can't have that."

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2302/80316943.png

Well, that was fun. Just Maggy left to do now. Pretty annoying way to discover that Isaac doesn't have a completion bonus though.

Phylum 01-17-2012 02:21 PM

I actually agree that none of the bosses in BoI are particularly challenging. If I played the game more often I doubt I would struggle with them at all. The only reason I keep dying in the Mom fight is that I haven't fought her enough times to learn her patterns, but I'm getting much better now.

I fought Peep as a mini-boss in the Womb in my last playthough. I was only on 1 heart and he fucking killed me :(

Varrok 01-18-2012 01:08 AM

The bosses in BoI are not hard, really : o Once you learn their attack patterns, weak points and you get some lucky items (Fetus in a jar + Mr.Mega), you can kick them out in no time. And their attacks can't hurt you more than 1 heart (you usually have 6 or more at the time)... let's compare it to the last boss in Castlevania (Dracula):

He's got 2 forms, the first one has only one attack + teleporting, but even if you know that, it's extremely hard to avoid that - you have to jump at very, very accurate time - and you cant just hit his body - the only vulnerable part is head. You can't hit his head without jumping. And after he finished attack he teleports so you can't hit him then, so you have to do very-well-timed jumps to avoid his attacks and hit his head at the same time (it's harder than you may think). Oh, and his single attack takes 1/4 of your life or something (always)... and he's got a second form. And you have to hit him at least 16 times to see that second form (without weapon upgrade 32 times, I think)...
That's a challenging boss

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Pretty annoying way to discover that Isaac doesn't have a completion bonus though.
Unlocking Judas wan't a good reward?

enchilado 01-18-2012 03:46 AM

Finally got to the womb. I had some pretty neat items—full damage, full range, full (I think) speed, six or seven maximum hitpoints, and the horse thing that lets you fly. But then I got to the womb, and it was my first time there, so... I died pretty quickly.

Varrok 01-18-2012 07:36 AM

Keep trying :) Once you've beaten womb 3-4 times and learned about enemies, it'll look much easier to you :D I remember dying 2 rooms from start point at my first journey to Womb

MeechMunchie 01-18-2012 01:11 PM

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Unlocking Judas wan't a good reward?

Oh right. I got Judas aaages ago, I guess I must have already done it with Isaac and forgotten. Or maybe I thought the first complete doesn't count because you don't have The Womb.

Varrok 01-18-2012 01:20 PM

Yes, completing depths for the first time doesn't count as completing full game, and is rewared by unlocking Womb itself :)

Phylum 01-18-2012 01:37 PM

I beat the Womb on my first attempt.

I must admit, I was pretty powerful. I had ample hearts and was dealing shitloads of damage with Brimstone.

MeechMunchie 01-18-2012 02:26 PM

Yeah. My first Womb complete was with Brimstone and Chocolate Milk, which lets you shoot without charging.

My most recent was with "high damage spectral rock laser". (Damage upgrades + Ouija Board + A Small Rock + Technology. I got Technology in Basement 1 and proceeded to destroy everything, as you can see above.)

Maggy's quite good. Got speed upgrades early so the slowness wasn't a problem, but I did have an encounter with Lust that was actually a threat for once. Also got Giant Mushroom and Mini Mush, so I ended up normal size again :D

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6080/29982000.png

I'm annoyed at this point. Can you guess why?

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Yes, completing depths for the first time doesn't count as completing full game, and is rewared by unlocking Womb itself

But it would seem I still unlocked Judas...

Googled. Isaac isn't important. I unlocked Judas by completing The Womb with Cain, so boo-yah-sucks-to-you.

Phylum 01-18-2012 02:46 PM

It must just be the first womb completion. I think I beat Mom in The Depths for the first time as Eve, but the game doesn't care at that point.

Chubfish 01-19-2012 10:08 AM

http://www.filesmelt.com/dl/boibluebaby.png

So does anyone play as the blue baby?

Also Mom's Knife is basically the best weapon in the entire game.

Varrok 01-19-2012 10:47 AM

I play as blue baby... and Judas

Mom's knife is great unless you've got low firerate/range. Then it sucks.

Chubfish 01-19-2012 11:08 AM

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I play as blue baby... and Judas

Mom's knife is great unless you've got low firerate/range. Then it sucks.

Chocolate milk and knife is a great combination. Poison knife isn't bad either.

http://filesmelt.com/dl/bestisaaccharacter.png

No Isaac, you ARE the knife!

5 seconds later...

http://filesmelt.com/dl/5secondslater.png

Varrok 01-19-2012 01:42 PM

I'm curious - have you met an upgraded Eye on this way to last boss?

Chubfish 01-20-2012 04:05 AM

I met Krampus on the way to Satan.

enchilado 01-20-2012 04:14 AM

Yay, I beat Mom's Heart with Maggy. The Yum Heart was a huge help; I kept it until the very end.

MeechMunchie 01-20-2012 11:00 AM

Yeah. She's slow, but does okay damage and is nigh-on immortal.

Varrok, have you ever played Spelunky?

Chubfish 01-21-2012 07:14 AM

http://filesmelt.com/dl/mrdomination.png

I found this run fairly hilarious.

Also I finally 100%'d the game, can't wait for the expansion.

Varrok 01-21-2012 07:50 AM

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Also I finally 100%'d the game, can't wait for the expansion.

Then you're luckier than me - i still don't have 2 items :/ (Shears and Common Cold afair)

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Varrok, have you ever played Spelunky?
(Just saw that, sorry)
No, I have not :( I've heard some good opinions about that, but then I saw that there's a remake in production and hoping that it will be released on PC someday, I decided to wait

MeechMunchie 01-21-2012 08:00 AM

Very fun run. Weapon of choice was "Rapid Firing High Damage Homing 4-Way Spectral Tears".

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3804/64514031.png

Also my fastest Run:Win turnaround by far, which hopefully means I'm getting better at the game.

Also, Boils are so fucking fast to regenerate now. If there's more than four it takes me minutes to kill them all. Plus they fire every 3/4 of a second.

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Then you're luckier than me - i still don't have 2 items :/ (Shears and Common Cold afair)

Common Cold is down to luck, but you could just get Judas to headbutt flies for a while if you want the Pinking Shears.

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No, I have not :( I've heard some good opinions about that, but then I saw that there's a remake in production and hoping that it will be released on PC someday, I decided to wait

The original is out now, free, and it's hard as nails. Complete that if you really want to impress.

Varrok 01-21-2012 08:09 AM

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Common Cold is down to luck, but you could just get Judas to headbutt flies for a while if you want the Pinking Shears.
I died 100times : D (Hell, that was a kamikaze run) and unlocked it but I wasn't lucky to find it in an item room. The same goes with the Common Cold (I saw it one time in satan's room, but my HP was to low to afford it at the time)

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The original is out now, free, and it's hard as nails. Complete that if you really want to impress.
Sure, I'll give it a try soon

Chubfish 01-22-2012 04:01 AM

http://filesmelt.com/dl/hurray.png

D6, D6 everywhere

The achievement and secret didn't actually show up till now for some reason.

MeechMunchie 01-22-2012 09:43 AM

Grrr.

So I'm back on Judas again, who's refreshingly powerful after playing the others. For the first time I'm finding the game generally easy, not by an overpowered combo or anything. I get the right upgrades, find Transendence early on which is useful, crank up fire rate to maximum and use Book of Belial frequently. End up with maxed out coins, loads of bombs and more keys than I could ever use.

Wander nonchalantly through the Womb, get a really easy Blastocyst variant for Boss 1, almost lose my health a couple of times but get lucky with slot machines and Little C.H.A.D. Then, just outside the boss room, I get taken down to four hearts.

"Should I go back and look for more? I've blown up all the slot machines but I could probably find another, I've got 99 coins* and enough damage output that I'd still make a net health gain."

I'm at the last room of getting two wins in a row for the first time ever.

"Nah. It'll be fine."

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/509/36469261.png

Do the tried-and-tested Bomb 'n' Strafe method, get Mom's Heart down to maybe a quarter of her health, then get hit by a stray blood bomb and die. I didn't even get a chance to use Whore of Babylon.

The real kicker? I just remembered I had The Fool card. I could have got myself out of there when my health got low, but I forgot.
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*But the bitch ain't one

enchilado 01-22-2012 11:27 AM

Has anyone else ever got the Shovel?

If you skipped every boss you would miss out on a lot of items, I guess, but I definitely wouldn't mind missing out on the Mom fight.

MeechMunchie 01-22-2012 02:01 PM

It's only useful to me if I find it Depths 2 or lower, where I'm not going to be missing much in the way of items.

enchilado 01-22-2012 06:42 PM

Hmm. Finally beat Mom's Heart with Cain, getting the Basement Boy achievement in the process. I also found two 1UP mushrooms, although I didn't use the second one.

Phylum 01-22-2012 07:29 PM

I had a clot find its way into a narrow passage today. Cheeky bastard. It was a pain in the arse to kill.

http://www.oddworldforums.net/attach...1&d=1327292919

This was a bit later in the same run. I was very annoyed.

http://www.oddworldforums.net/attach...1&d=1327292919

MeechMunchie 01-23-2012 02:06 PM

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/4450/68754364.png

Yup. Seems last time was no bad omen, since I was more careful this time around and defeated Mom easily. Or maybe Judas is just really overpowered. Weapon of choice was merely Homing Spectral Tears, plus Lil Gish's Slow Tar.

Complete opposite of last run, no stat upgrades WHATSOEVER, nor a single activated item. I just got loads of companions and health ups, plus a couple of tear effects.

I've officially decided I like any item with "Lil'" in the name. Lil' Chubby, Lil' C.H.A.D., Lil' Gish... All good.

Success like this makes 100% seem a little less fantastical.

On the other hand, Everything is Terrible!

Chubfish 01-23-2012 02:29 PM

http://filesmelt.com/dl/idontneedexcusesineedtears1.png

I don't need excuses...I NEED TEARS!

This is what happens when damage is set to 255 and you charge a shot. Obvious impossibility but I think it's cool how tear size scales with damage.

Anonyman! 01-23-2012 04:12 PM

shud i buy this game

enchilado 01-23-2012 04:23 PM

yeap

MeechMunchie 01-23-2012 11:08 PM

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http://filesmelt.com/dl/idontneedexcusesineedtears1.png

I don't need excuses...I NEED TEARS!

This is what happens when damage is set to 255 and you charge a shot. Obvious impossibility but I think it's cool how tear size scales with damage.

Did you get a sandbox mode or something?

Varrok 01-24-2012 12:32 AM

I bet it's just Cheat Engine