Moxco that video was posted earlier. I've been really worried all day, I know I shouldn't have been but it's still unnerving that it could happen anywhere. Hopefully it'll die down soon. My cousin and his boyfriend are in London and we haven't heard anything from them yet.

I provided the activation energy of a mixture of liquid hydrocarbons (mostly C4-C12) using a rapidly oxidising coat of red phosphorus on the tip of a short stick of pine. Which I ignited with an argon laser.

Ah fair enough, I prefer the good old Fe2O3 + 2Al -> 2Fe + Al2O3 equation given activation energy from C3H8 in a pressurised tank and a spark emitting device.

You've always been too flashy.

Apparently communities are pulling together to clean up the mess and oppose the rioting. I find this wonderful and inspiring.

It's been a long time coming. The people are quite simply tired of being dominated, and it's gone on for ever.

This doesn't excuse looting, but what I see is the death of this young man being the straw that broke the camels back. Let's face it, the domination has been growing worse, this seems a natural reaction to the oppression, however small the apparent "surface cause" may seem.

This has jack shit to do with oppression. This is just a bunch of uneducated worthless chavs using the death of some random guy they didn't know as an excuse to riot and loot. There is no excuse for this bullshit. Not in a wealthy country like the UK.

Except large swathes of people in these areas aren't wealthy, they don't have access to jobs or education, they have no life prospects. Yes, what the rioters are doing is wrong and terrible, but don't let thoughts of revenge and retaliation distract from the underlying causal factor of underserviced and alienated communities.

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Its slap bang in the middle of England, East Middlands.

I've heard views that the looting is just the inevitable point society reaches when we all have nice stuff we can't afford shoved in our faces for years.

The wise one speaks truth.
I would be willing to be money that the US will have it's turn soon..

I know that <_< I said where in Nottingham, not where is Nottingham. I'm from Nottingham for Christ's sake, and was wondering where any rioting was. And from what I gather, it was in St. Anns, which does not surprise me.

It is also about that, but worldwide, it is about MORE than that. You'll always have the looters and people jumping in to take advantage during a revolutionary action.

You really can't try to link this to the Jasmine Revolution, Pilot. These people aren't trying to Change The System or protesting the government's policies. They're just doing it so that people know they exist. Or possibly because they just don't have much better to do.

This editorial sums it up really well.

This rioting is just getting out of hand!

That's the minimum requirement of a riot.

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Silly Brits...

Anyone friends with Lorne Lanning on Facebook may have already have seen this. If you haven't, watch it. Now.

What does the girl say at the end of that video? Also, I'm not too sure what to think about that video, is certainly puts a new perspective on the mentality of 'some' of the rioters.

I hate how the interviewer doesn't let him speak.

I'm not sure about the situation there for the 'poor' lower class, but I doubt it can be seriously that bad for them that they need to start rioting.

Most have a roof over their head and have food to eat. They can get a job if they just tried hard enough. They can get a decent education if they just tried hard enough. Not receiving either of those two things is not a reason to become a criminal. However being a criminal is a reason not to get those things, see how this works? I wouldn't employ someone who looks like he deals drugs on a daily basis, nor would someone like that be accepted into any education.

So what, they're mad because they're searched more often in the poor area's? Maybe that's because there's a lot of morons there who carry weapons and deal drugs. It's a preventive measure, not an 'in your face because you're black' measure. But apparently people can not comprehend this.

Sure, politics have a hand in this too. I'm sure there's plenty of retarded rules in the UK that support the growth of poor communities. But there's also people involved. As a person you can actually make a choice in right or wrong. If they think it's easier to sit on their ass and get money from the government, deal drugs and have 16 kids then that's their business. But don't expect anyone to be sorry for you when you start complaining about the extremely poor condition your government paid house is in while you make a few thousand dollars a month dealing heroine.

and yet

It's way too easy to push all the responsibility on the rioters and say they're just rioting because they're bad people who want kicks and giggles.

It's almost certainly what David Cameron is doing.

At this moment in time, I'm not in any kind of mood to deconstruct your entire post, but this particular comment stuck out like a fucker.
Right now there are maybe slightly under 2.45 million people unemployed. There is no way you are telling me that every single one of those people is just lazy. I have it on the ONS that one in five 16-24 year olds are staying in education just to avoid dole. On top of this, the Government have pulled the Educational Maintenance Allowance (£30 per week), so those kids are going to have a serious fucking debt when they get out. Even then, it's not guaranteed that they're going to get the job that they have been working for.
Let me tell you, right now it is difficult to get a job, no matter how hard you work for it.

David Cameron is an arsehole and leaves a lot of people in shit, but I'm unable to sympathize with the rioters because they're causing destruction upon the lives of innocent people who aren't connected to David Cameron at all. It's him that's making them unhappy, and targeting him may be difficult of course, but there's no excuse for the damage they're doing. I think I'm ignorant to how riots work, so forgive me if I sound like I'm being a twat, I don't intend to be.

EDIT: I read Havoc's post at first and didn't pay much attention, as you do, but to the getting a job thing - Fuck you. You have no idea about the unemployment rate in this country and OddjobAbe summed it up perfectly.

No but if it's anything like it is here then there will probably be dozens of types of jobs that people find too low.

Too many people around here go: OMG I can't find a job!!

- Well, the local McDonalds has openings?

Are you kidding? I'm not working for fucking Mcdonalds...

And it's not just McDonalds, there's all kinds of shit people simply don't WANT to do. Even if it does pay. There's a lot on unemployment here as well, yet at the same time I see plenty of job openings. Even for low level jobs. That doesn't make sense to me.

Jobseekers allowance means you have to actively seek jobs.

If you don't seek jobs, you don't get the allowance.

There. Are. No. Jobs.

Yeah they have that same joke of a rule here too. You know what people do? They seek jobs and make sure to get turned down for them or some other way to get out of it. Free money for an hours work a week.

There's no denying that there are individuals who moan that there are no jobs and don't attempt to look for one, but there are a lot of people who look for jobs who genuinely cannot get one. You're spouting this shit and it is a known fact that this country has very little in terms of employment.

I see you're an expert on the unemployed in a country you don't live in.

I'll happily keep English members in mind.

This is one of the most incredibly wrong things I've seen written on this topic.

I even have a friend who 'seeks' work with Jobseekers.

He can make up any bullshit he wants, then attend one hour per two weeks to get paid £200 each time.

The reason he does this is because in his eyes, the extra money you'd get from a minimum wage job is not worth the loss in free time. I don't even oppose him because it makes sense from that position.

He confidently claims he could claim from this for as long as he wanted / needed without ever truly looking for work. Just pretending to and making stuff up.

And people on this service, people are claiming, have a right to complain about anything? Ridiculous.

Oh right, therefore everyone on the dole has no right to complain about the lack of jobs that there still is.

Max is right. There are more people on jobseekers than there are people cheating the system.

Pretending for the sake of argument that the job distribution over the entire UK is even, some simple mathematics will still inform you THERE ARE NO JOBS.

And how many of these rioters do you think are people genuinely upset because they can't get a job?

Besides, the fact that some people can't is irrelevant to my point. The point is that you do NOT have to be honestly trying to get work to claim jobseekers. It's a piss easy system to take advantage of, and MANY people do.

And I still don't really see how people can complain about free money handouts. It's something for nothing, isn't it? If people were willing to lower their standards a little, I think more people would have jobs.

If people riot not because they're dissatisfied but simply because they're bad people, then why don't riots break out all the time?

It's not enough to start a life with. Also, idle thumbs do the devil's work or something.

This, and you'll excuse the hypocrisy, is the easiest thing in the world for a twenty year old to say.

Look stop sticking up for the rioters Wings, I'm sick to death with the shit you're spouting. I've been going through the places hit by looters (and I don't like to call them rioters because they had no cause behind their violence) and some places look like there's been a fire fight in the street, even a week afterwards. Innocent working class shop owners have had their places of work burnt to the ground and some of them can't afford the insurance, so that makes more people out of work. Cut the crap about people not being able to find jobs so they loot out of frustration or some such bull shit. My Dad was frequently out of work in the 80s and 90s he didn't decide, 'hey I think I'll go break into a Dixon's and steal all their camera's tonight'.

It's very easy for you to stand up for these people when you can sit and watch behind your TV but when things hit you, or even get close to where you live your tone will suddenly change and get very real.

Oh and this isn't about the government either, these people were far too cowardly to hit the government buildings.

When did I ever say I was sticking up for the rioters?

Their actions are their own responsibilities. They caused criminal damage, they deserve to pay for that in fines and jail time.

By what you're saying, because there are no jobs, we can excuse these people's behaviour.

No.

I'm talking about reasons, not excuses.

You are blinding yourself if you think these riots are without reason. There's no excuse for it, but that's a different matter entirely.