The proletariat has been fucked over in every single country ever to arise since the dawn of civilised man. While I understand that it isn't fair for the lower class (which I am) to get stomped on and milked of everything, the middle class suffers taxation worse than we do and the upper class have got were they are because somewhere down the line their families have made lots of money, up to them how they spend it.

Basically life isn't fair and it will never change so just deal with it, the government hikes up university fees, I'm angry for a week then get on with life because it will never change for the better. Cameron slowly weakens and dismantles the NHS, life goes on albeit harder than it was before. You vote, it makes no difference. I will always vote once I am of age to do so because it is my duty but I know that it makes no difference.

Then make a difference.

We can't make a difference. No matter who gets in they will always fuck us over. They tell us what they are going to do, once they get into power all that changes.....................

And as long as people think like that then politics is doomed to drown under a sea of bullshit and apathy.

It's the same case after every election though. I get the feeling that if somebody like me or STM ended up in power then they would just end up being corrupted like everybody else :(

I hope I will make a difference, if things to to plan I will become a barrister and from there...maybe an MP but the current main parties do not understand how to fix the country. I do not profess that I can at this moment in time either but I see simple solutions to some problems. It was never my abject goal in life to sit back and watch Britain fester, in some small manner I wanted to help, if not the physical country then its people. Dentist, vet, now I want to stick with training to be a barrister, are these not professions that help the country?

EDIT: @JennyGenesis - power corrupts and absolute power corrupts even more but no one can hold absolute power in our country. I think that if you have strong will and you want to change the country for the better, then you will not be corrupt. I couldn't betray the people of our country when I know what it is to be at the receiving end of government stupidity.

Well the impression I get from you is that you would at least try. I don't seem to get that impression from the current parties.

The current parties don't understand the people any more because they are out of touch. I always liked to think if I became PM I would give some of my salary into a lottery. Who needs £200,000 a year? Not us when I can get by on little over 1/6 of that.

I think it's about time a new party was created with the ultimate goal of gaining power and helping the people...with a strict set of rules and regular party speeches made by dedicated speakers.

If you don't like the way your neighborhood is going, start a community group to change it. Make yourself chairperson.
If you don't like the way your home town is going, run for mayor.
If you don't like the way your county is going, run for local delegate.
If you don't like the way your country is going, run for prime minister.
If you don't like the way the world is going, breed a giant killer lizard and take over the world etc.*

You can make a difference, if you think people will support you in the differences you want to make. Start a group and turn up the heat on your oppressors. That's what The Right To Freely Assemble is all about.**

*Or steal a Kenyan baby and anonymously deliver him to Hawaiian foster parents while secretly mentally conditioning him to be your socialist puppet as he sleeps.

**Or maybe it isn't. I'm not American, I just like to look like I know what I'm talking about.

Bull shit. A lot of people don't have the time to do all that when they have jobs and families to maintain. If it's your line of work then ok but for many, MP is a line of work reserved for the 'upper echelons' of society.

Everyone has the right to lawful protest, or petition, or to talk to your mp about matters.

I explained that I don't think the government will help me, they don't help me and they have never done and ounce of good for my family unless it was bringing back how things were 'before' it they had been bad recently...a.k.a, less bad but still bad. I don't trust MPs and I don't like the government, I have the utmost respect for the majority of people that carry out their will like judges and policemen but David Cameron and his entourage of idiots can go and jump in front of the horses at Ascot for all I care.

I would protest, I was going to go and protest the university fees in London but my parents didn't allow me and it wasn't worth getting on their wrong side at the time. I fell that at my age there's little I can do any way.

Were you a listener of the Sex Pistols back in the day? :p

Scrabtrapman, of course they're not going to help you; you've removed yourself from the political protests. Involve yourself in it; contact your MP, start a petition, do shit that needs doing, and they'll realise that listening to you is easier than ignoring you.

The Government has never done an ounce of good for anyone! The Government is evil! They just want all our money!

IMO part of the problem is that in various democracies such as Australia people keep voting for the SAME TWO PARTIES over and over, regardless of how incredible similar they actually are to eachother (especially when it somes to serving big business at the expense of everyone else).

We need Lorne Lanning to get involved in this thread.

I would not vote Mr Lanning into any kind of power.

He would get bored and leave the country in favour of making his own pretend country before abandoning that too.

In all seriousness, at some point I do want to help the country for good! But not yet, not when I am sixteen and I have yet to decide if some of the populous is even worth saving. >=)

Maybe I'll be prime minister some day. Taxation to keep OWF running haha.

I didn't mean voting him into power. I said that he needs to get involved given his strong political views.

With minimal income tax. Although I also like the idea of Georgism where the the only tax is paid on land.

So you're suggesting that we abolish every single tax, but income tax? That will result in income tax very quickly becoming exceedingly non-minimal.

Reading your other posts, I thought it was income tax you were disagreeing with, what with it being the government stealing our hard-earned cash. So if that's not correct, which taxes are you objecting to?

I was under the impression (though I am probably wrong) that a large majority of tax revenue was from income tax. Though I may disagree with income tax, minimal income tax, though not perfect, would (in my opinion) be a major improvement; no one should complain that they are being taxed too much, as under an alternative regime they would be taxed a lot more.

In order to pay for all its services, the government needs to tax us, as a nation, X dollars. I don't know how much X is, but it's a frigging large number, of course. If they remove almost every tax, the one(s) that remain must increase accordingly so that they still bring in X dollars. As a nation, we'll be taxed by the same amount either way.

The many complicated taxes we have now are a process of sharing the tax burden around, so that hopefully everyone pays a fair amount. Thus we have income tax, in which people who earn more, pay more; sales tax, in which people who buy more, pay more; property tax, in which people who own more, pay more; etc.

I just dont think its fair that people who earn a lot must give MORE than half their income to the state, which is the case in DK.

Well, that's a problem with where to draw the line, rather than the concept of income tax overall.

Also, from what I've heard (and perhaps you can confirm this), you guys get a lot more services (and higher quality) than most other countries.

God I wish an empire seized some large part of europe or something.

Then things would get interesting!

Everyone should pay 40% as wealth is relative. I don't think it's fair that comparatively, a heart surgeon has more taken from him than a non skilled labourer.

EDIT: What would you have Strike Witch? Oceania?

http://i.imgur.com/FfoOj.jpg

Fuck yeah, Vampire Australia!

We get a lot more services... But I'm not so sure about the quality X_x I was told that some years ago, social services were SO much better. Now we keep hearing about how education is getting worse and worse, gtting cut more and more...

Also Medical care in some areas are really bad too. But it's fine i suppose... for some things.

Either way, i really think DK has gone to the extreme. The exact opposite direction than USA... I think if USA and DK met somewhere in the middle, we'd have the perfect system :p (not really).

Anyway, Out of everything, Im really mostly butthurt about the mandatory 'tv-license' payment we HAVE to pay, whether we use the channel or not. I think in UK its sort of the same too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_mean_fallacy

And now you know.

They pay a higher numerical value, but it's the same proportion of their income.

I think that's fair, personally - why should the richer people of the world be able to keep a higher percentage of their income? A flat rate seems inherently biased to me.

EDIT: I just reread OddHunter's post and realised that I misunderstood it. I thought he was disagreeing with Scrabtrapman's terminology. I'm going to keep it here anyway because I think some people could do with an explanation of progressive tax rates.

Uhhh... I think you're confused. A flat percentage rate (as scrabtrapman is suggesting) would mean that everyone keeps the same proportion of their income. As far as I know, no major economic power does that.

Most countries have a progressive tax system. For instance, in Australia the current rates are as follows:

• For an income between 0 - $6,000 you pay no tax.
• For every dollar earned between $6,001 - $37,000, you pay 15c.
• For every dollar earned between $37,001 - $80,000, you pay 30c.
• For every dollar earned between $80,001 - $180,000, you pay 37c.
• For every dollar earned above $180,001, you pay 45c.

Bear in mind that those are progressive percentages, not overall. So if you earn $6,000, you pay no tax; if you earn $6,001, you pay a total of 15c tax. And if you earn $200,000, you still get the first $6,000 tax free, the next $31,000 at 15%, the next $43,000 at 30%, etc.

So do you think I'm right or wrong? O_o

Yea well fuck your wikipedia... Do note the '(not really)' at the end of my post....

Oh I knew you weren't serious, I was just making sure everyone knew that a center wing government is more likely to be the worst of both rather than the best.

I hate this country hate it when it became capitalism at 1990's im a communist and i hate this rule where the government can take whatever they want whenever they want and they dont care for people.when there was communism there werent homeless people and hungry people,everyone was equal no sir just comrade even the leader of the country was called comrade.

I call bullshit on just about everything in that post.

I think you're slightly confused.

If I'm not mistaken, you take any state in Eastern Europe. What it used to have was a soviet sponsored autocracy with a state capitalist economy masquerading as communism. What it now has is a capitalist sponsored autocracy with a state capitalist economy being honest about itself.