Oh, yeah. That's one of my other big objections to conspiracies; the clues that supposedly give them away are just so goddamn obvious.

If the Illuminati were so powerful, why are these theorists still alive and spouting their shit?
If 9/11 was an inside job, why would the organisers be so stupid as to use a missile to blow up the Pentagon and allow video footage that 'clearly' shows that be released?

If theorists suddenly dissappeared and people noticed then that could lend more credibility to their claims, perhaps even make them a bit of a martyr.

If they're left to their own devices they end up looking less credible because nothing is happening to them.

Now all we need is for such people to confess their treasonous thoughts and deeds (after being kept in a certain ministry to help them clear their heads) and we'll be set ;)

But if the Illuminati were true, they'd have the ability and power to catch the theorists before they make any revelations. And if they failed at that, they'd be able to wipe all record of said revelations from the public record. And we'd all be so hypnotised that we wouldn't have noticed them in the first place.

Well as they say perhaps the truth is somewhere in between :p

EDIT: Oops I was referring to such people in general rather than just the ones talking about the Illuminati specifically.

I suppose the truth may well be in between. But I'm betting on it being much closer to the sane end of the theory spectrum than the wackjob end.

That's true, though it's so damn hard to find out what is "really" happening when everyone (from mainstream media to more independed sources) seems to be giving conflicting information.

It gets even harder when looking up issues that have polarised opinions, especially when the truth is indeed somewhere in the middle.

By far the most common lies I seem to be seeing though are good ol' lies of ommission.

Yes, it can be difficult to ascertain the truth from conflicting information. Just remember to put our trust in our good friend Occam's Razor.

Right off to the ministry of love, room 101 for all of you.

Yeah. I stopped believing in conspiracy theories along time ago when i realized just how stupid most of them sounded. And i heard a lot of them. 9/11(multiple ones), The new world order, population control, the Kennedy assassination, and the staged moon landing(i never believed that one to begin with), etc. All that BS. Looking back on these things now, i feel stupid for believing in them.

I think that conspiarciy theories are actually pretty damn interesting. It's really cool to see how far people can strech a fact to make it fiction. I don't really believe in any conspiracies, but damn if they aren't imaginative at times.

Conspiracy theories assume that governments have so much more resources and far greater competence than they actually do. Best demonstration that they don't?

Watergate.

lets not forget this guy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFu_bYkomc

He's my favourite. He did a great piece on the Royal Wedding. How Britain isn't a part of the EU, how the public abhore the Royal family and how the British Royal Family taught the Nazis everything they knew.

- Rexy

Plausible deniability.

I think Nate is secretly an alien being, planning world domination with an army of clone soldiers, and until he has completed his ultimate doomsday device, he finds increasingly un-justified reasons to infract me.

I think you have one too many glukkon symbols.

Any plan that requires more than three vital things to happen is far too complex to be relied upon, since the chances of total failure rises exponentially with each additional critical variable.

Even then, the real limit is two, because only a complete idiot designs their plan to be as complicated as possible.

This

leads nicely back to this

which creates this:

Incompetent government + complicated evil plan = half failed evil plan that leads to conspiracies.

Actual conspiracies or conspiracy theories?

Actual conspiracies.

As in, if the plan was executed flawlessly no-one would ever know. But because they made it overly complicated some stuff went wrong and people got suspicious.

So then, the only logical next step, is that ALIENS are secretly puppeteering everything, cleverly masterminding...well, whatever your conspiracy theory requires. Then again, anything really crazy or magical can usually fix any hole in any kind of theory.

Seriously, shut up. Grown ups are talking here.

Just ignore him. He'll tire himself out.

Like Area 51. Who would have thought people would happen to check out that desert?

Famous last words.

Seriously, do some research into actual history, political, economical and so forth. We have no need for conspiracy theories, the scariest shit goes down in broad daylight, plain as day for all to see.

Because it turns out that the people we trust to maintain stability and security don't have a fucking clue. Nobody does.

Area 51 is a USAF testing site for new types of aircraft, that's been common knowledge for years.

I know, I was being vaguely satirical.

Vaguely.

Oh that's what they want you to think...

Well, obviously Area 51 is a decoy to make sure that no-one heads in to the desert to look at Area 52.

Doesn't the government want everyone to believe that Area 51 doesn't exist?

Yet you can easily find it on Google Earth?

Isn't it blurred out on Google Earth? Also Area 51 exists, just as Area 52, 53, 54, etc. I believe those are simply designations for quadrants in the desert or something.

Yes, it is. But certain programs can 'unblur' images, many of these exist on the internet to give a clear view.

It has lots of runways and buildings. No UFOs, though.

I just saw this interview (which British people probably won't be able to watch) with an author of a book about Area 51. Her research claims that aliens were never taken to the base, but that lots of other shit went down there. Much top-secret research in to nuclear weapons and unmanned drones and whatnot. So secretive that the people there decided that Bill Clinton wasn't important enough to know what was going on, when he was president.

Also, she claims that the Roswell incident was actually Stalin sending over a 'spacecraft' with fake aliens (possibly actual Russian children) in order to provoke panic in the USA, War Of The Worlds-style.

The best interview with a former Area 51 employee was with Bob Lazaar, he gave a lot of details about what went down there, but seldom mentioned anything alien.

There was another guy too, I can't remember his name. His first name was Robert, though. He said he worked for a black ops group that was in charge of blasting hillsides in the desert to make caves for secret installations. He apparently found an underground facility where aliens (typical grey kind) were congregating with the US military. One of his colleagues shot at them in fear and a firefight broke out. Robert had lost a hand and also had severe burns on his chest (which he was very proud to show off when he gave his announcement)

After giving the speech, Robert was apparently murdered. Around the same time, his Wikipedia account disappeared.

Coincidence?

This seems crazier than Aliens to me.

There are lots of chemtrails where i live, how about y'all?