I thought rape was more of a power thing rather than a sexual desire?

It's a desire for all things impure: unlawful sex, domination, greed, hate, etc.

You going to back that shit up or are you going to back the fuck down like a good boy who doesn't know what he's talking about?

That doesn't even make sense. Unless beating your brother up is an instinct these days.

Yeah rape comes from that instinct too, back when we were living in caves I doubt the men asked around the caves till they found someone willing to mate. They just took whom they wanted.

Doesn't make it okay in this day and age, but it goes to show how strong that mating instinct still is.

Since I don't believe cavemen ever existed, that argument doesn't hold any sway with me. I am just using that "hate for your brother" argument to show how sin works. An instinct can be strong (rape) or fleeting (whack your brother.) It can be small (cuss someone in your head) or great (murder someone).

In response to Wings of Fire's comment...What do you think motivates rape, if not an impulsive sexual desire?

Sorry about double posting, I hadn't noticed WoF's comment.

Well there's your problem.

Sexual frustration?

I bet there have been times where you have been alone and horny and thought to yourself "Oh I wish I could have someone right now" every person has that moment.

The difference here is that sex is not inherently bad, but it can lead to bad consequences (rape, abandonment of a child/pregnant woman) if proper self-control is not exercised.

Assault is generally not okay in any circumstance.


Correction: mental instability oftentimes leads to rape. Not a good argument.

I didn't say that sex is inherently bad. It's how life is created! It's a blessing! The problem is when it's misused, as in the examples OddHunter gave.

But in response to JennyGenesis, just because you're alone and feel like being sexual doesn't mean you should give in to the desire. There should be a balance, a self-control.

Are you trying to start an argument over whether or not rape is justifiable? Because I'm pretty sure no-one is saying that it is.

I don't want to start a debate over that, since I think we could all agree that rape is nonjustifiable, mental condition or not. Even insane people must be sentenced.

For the record, that's why Batman fails. Just because Joker is insane, it doesn't mean you just imprison him. He should be executed; he killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people.

Oh, fuck off.

You approve of Joker killing thousands of people and simply being imprisoned? We all love the character, but his crimes are inexcusable.

Fuck. His crimes were fictitious. And I'm not even going to get started on the death penalty.

It may have started out as a way to keep from making the little kids think they were being mean to Joker, but once it became an adult franchise ("The Dark Knight," etc.) the Joker should have been executed. A man who blows other people up for fun is hardly a man that should just be PUT BACK IN THE ASYLUM FOR THE TWENTIETH TIME.

Many many things, but the biggest factor seems to be a predisposition towards dominance. How horny you are doesn't even factor in to how likely you are to rape someone because normal people will not cross moral boundaries based on how much they want something.

It's exactly like saying pedophiles are potential child molestors. Same bullshit argument with the same bullshit fallacies.

oh my god

BATMAN

BATMAN

Do your research on the character kay?

I think that you should concentrate on the real world. This film is insignificant.

And if this was a real case, due to multiple reasons, I do not believe that the man should be murdered. I do not intend to get started on the death penalty, however.

If you rave about what should have happened in Batman when trying seriously to prove a point, you will fail.

By the way, do you mind me asking why you choose to be Christian? And why you think believing in something crazy with no evidence is a reason to be proud?

Exactly: the way that these people show their dominance is by following this impulsive desire, thus fulfilling multiple parts of their sinful desires at once.

Actually, I don't believe Joker should be murdered. He should stand trial for his crimes, be found guilty, and be painlessly but swiftly executed. Since it's purely fiction, it's a hypothetical example.

What's sinful about wanting to fuck?

When you're not married to the person, or doing it when the other person is unwilling, or both.

There's a difference between really horny and wanting to dip your wick and forceable having sex with someone. The first is about sex, the latter is about power.

Firstly, there's an edit button on the bottom left of your post so you don't have to double post again.

The following quotes (or paraphrases) are taken from "The Journal of Science" published on October 1st 1981. The paper I cite is "Rape Proclivity Among Males" written by Neil M. Malamuth. (Proclivity means: A predisposition or natural inclination.)

Whilst it is true that 20% of men (mainly US college students) indiciated that, if they had the chance and wouldn't be caught, they had a high likelihood of raping. On a study of 50 rapists (who had come forward anonymously and had not been caught by the police) this statistic was much higher. It was found that these reports are related to male aggression against women. Men who have forcably raped someone as they were "so sexually aroused they could not stop" were found to rationalise their acts and see them in a positive light and would not see this as a form of aggression.

Rapists are more likely to (1) hold callous attitudes about rape and believe rape myths, and (2) show relatively high levels of sexual arousal to rape (Rada, 1978).

Gager and Schurr (1976) found that the most frequent cry of a rapist to their victim is, "you bitch... slut ... you know you want it." And afetrwards, "There now, you really enjoyed it, didn't you?" Wolfe and Baker (1980) back this up by finding that virtually all of the 86 rapists that they interviewed reported that they did not believe that their actions constitued as rape or that their actions were justified by the circumstances (either by the woman being provocative or because he was horny). Burt (1978, 1980) argues that these beliefs play an important role in causing rape and that these beliefs cause rapists to justify their own behaviour.

Abel et al (1977) found that rapists had a high sexual arousal after being exposed to aural and visual portrayls of rape, higher than their non-rapist counterpart. Rape portrayls where the victim continuously obviously does not enjoy or hates the sexual act was found to result in significantly less sexual arousal in non-rapists than rapists.

The following quotes (or paraphrases) are taken from "Contemporary Sociology" published on March 1st 1991. The paper I cite is "Theories of Rape: Inquiries into the Causes of Sexual Aggression" written by Pauline B. Bart.

"Were a radical feminist to propose a theory that included "evolutionary fact" that the "fittest" men are rapists because they historically have been able to impregnate as many women as possible, and the fittest women are rape resisters because they want men who will help them care for their offspring ... the woman would be denounced as an essentialist and a man a hater."

Ellis (same publication) hypothesised that rape should be associated with sex disparities in social status and power, rape is primarily motivated by desires for power, rather than sex and rapists are generally more aggressive towards women.

Lord Stanley. I would be more than happy to point you towards many scientific articles and books that would help educate you in this area. Or perhaps websites are more accesible for you?

Rape Myths
Patterns of Rape
LiveStrong: Rape

Educate yourself before making such flippant remarks.

Rape and assault (sexual or any kind) is never okay.

- Rexy

Wow. This article shows just how fallen our world is—where rapists don't even think they're committing a crime.

Wow. Your behaviour shows just how fallen our world is—where the ignorant don't even think they're committing ignorance.

Just ready for the second coming huh

I'm bisexual and a really really horny guy who has some neurotic and psychological issues and struggles to keep my beliefs and values in check with the happy chemicals my body needs to stop myself getting depressed.

Am I first to the chopping block or what?

This is a rape myth. This is one of the reasons why rapists justify their actions.

This.

Also out of my whole post, that's what you picked up on?

- Rexy

Why do I get the feeling that I'll be involved in a lengthy exchange with Stanley in the near future?

I don't do this to be annoying, I do this because I feel sad for all of you. The Bible clearly lists the boundaries of acceptable behavior (7th Commandment, multiple passages in Leviticus and Deuteronomy), and rape cannot be justified by any means, Rex Tirano. It is a criminal offense that must be punished.

Homosexuality cannot be justified, either. I have passages for that, too.

I feel sad for you. It must be a real drag having to worry about whether you're allowed to swear or participate in natural human activity. We're all a little constrained by certain circumstances as it is, you don't need to make things worse for yourself. It's bad for your mental health.

As for homosexuality for not being justifiable, I'm sure that there are passages where Jesus shows a little sympathy for "sinners" like prostitutes and homosexuals.

Actually, I don't ever feel the need to swear. It's just plain dirty.

Jesus shows pity on a prostitute woman, who was caught in adultery. He tells her, "Go, and sin no more."

I want you to explain why clearly and concisely.
Which is much more reasonable than some of the attitudes certain lunatics in your religion take towards these people.

1stly, as I have explained: swear words make things accursed. If you add an expletive to a word, it makes things foul. Plus, they carry immediate negative connotations that make for extremely uncomfortable conversations and meetings.

To the 2nd point, who better to turn to than the Bible? Jesus does not slap her for being a prostitute, he tells her not to do it anymore. We can trust that she didn't.

Don't even get me started on the ten commandments. Their inadequacies and totalitarianism are far too glaring.

I don't think so. I swear all the time with a lot of people, and we never feel awkward. We don't even notice. In fact, it gets across the point extremely efficiently.

Which is much more reasonable than some of the attitudes certain lunatics in your religion take towards these people.

I'll pray for you. Words are meant to be a sacred thing, a way of communicating our thoughts to others in a meaningful way. Littering them with profanities robs us of what made Shakespeare so great: art, wit, and creativity.

What do you mean by "some of the attitudes"?

Words are not meant to be sacred at all. They communicate ideas. There is nothing inherently meaningful in communicating ideas. Some people communicate some real bullshit ideas, like you. And in fact, "littering them with profanities" can help to highlight particular points or convey a point more efficiently.

Tell you what, I thought that you thought a person who commits a sin should be punished, like how you thought that fictitious villain from Batman should be executed because of his sins. I thought that maybe you thought that prostitutes should be stoned or something.

Are you fucking serious? Are you really the sort of twee, immature prat who believes that words still have potency even orphaned from context, and willfully limit your own vocabulary because of it? While these words do have definitions, their true use as an expletive, both cultural attitude and the gratifying harshness of the sounds themselves are able to give real kick to a sentence, properly able to express anger, indignation, surprise and so forth, extremes of emotional experience where other words will fail. Used skillfully, they can greatly enhance a conversation.

Your prudishness weakens you.

Hahahahaha! You know nothing of Shakespeare. If you did, you'd know his works get as vulgar as a whore's genital warts and are littered with Tudor curses as good as our own.

I just love carrying on 2 conversations at once, don't you?

I'm guessing your usage of the word BS is used as a vulgarity in context, is it not? The phrase "there is nothing inherently meaningful in communicating ideas" has just taken all the meaning out of life.

We don't believe in stoning prostitutes—they have a right to salvation, they should be preached to, taught the saving grace of God. I am nothing but a sinner saved by grace.

Bullet Magnet: ...Shit fuck bastard. Out of context. Unmeaningful. And foul. Unnecessary.

I don't think that there is anything particularly meaningful about somebody communicating the idea that words, even without context, are bad.

Doesn't a lunatic murderer also have a right to salvation then, even if you think his sin is worse?

And the point that BM was trying to make is also the point that I have been trying to explain to you. Used effectively, "expletives" increase the efficiency of communcation.