I like UK cos of that really good breakfast place. Yum =)

Harvester?

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What am I proud of? To be a mongrel of mixed European decent with ancestors who were either prisoners or British soldiers who stole the land of the native population to build prisons. There is nothing special about my country; my birth is a lotto, it was only pure luck I was born on this chunk of fucking rock when it could have been any other.

Patriotism leads to ignorance. Ignorance leads to bigotry. Bigotry leads to hatred. Hatred leads to violence. Violence leads to war.

Patriotism can be a path to the resurfacing of a country. To put it into a flow diagram,

No patriotism leads to stagnation, stagnation leads to idle masses, idle masses lead to crime, descent and civil war

Both of those are ridiculously huge slippery slope arguments.

e: although I do agree with MoxCo.

Our prime minister: 'Multiculturalism is stupid, we need a more cohesive national identity.'

Fuck me, he's out of my doghouse.

Slippery slope arguments go up as well as down.

yes, Yoda.

multiculturalism is good. getting to the point where there are rallies in the street and people can't fly the St George's Cross through fear of being called a racist is not. we're fucking English, if you come here you've got to expect English people and a certain degree of them people showing some level of pride in their country. it isn't a threat towards them, and if they see a threat they need to wake up and realise that it isn't their country. at the moment i feel like i'm living in an airport lobby.

Sure it is.

i couldn't give a shit. times change. we live here now, have done for a long time, and will continue to do so for a long time. if this isn't our home, where the fuck is it?

Where your heart is

I claim Earth in the almighty name of Magnet. Get the fuck off of my planet.

i didn't say they should get out of the country, i thought i made this clear. multiculturalism is good. rallies are not. what are we supposed to do? become nomads?

A woman has already claimed the sun.

i claimed your mother.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. I just think that David Cameron's 'way' will cause more rallies.

You catch more flies with honey etc

As my history teacher said, for there to be an "us", there has to be a "them".

So why can't "them" refer to "other species"?

Why do we all have to hate some other group of people, or treat them as different?

Why is where you were born so goddamn important to some people?

Essentially, it's just a bigger version of a high school clique. People need to feel they belong to a group, no matter how silly it may be.

There's no "I" in "loner".

Loners unite!

...wait

That'll go about as well as the Anarchists' Society.

The French national anthem sounds like something out of Final Fantasy.

I'm not big on nationalism either. I don't really care until someone starts judging me simply on the basis of where I was born. Keep in mind he wasn't overtly in favor of nationalism either. A big part of the class was how nationalism led to most of the world conflicts within the past 400 years or so.

to be fair, i heard on the news what Cameron said not longer after i made those posts, and realised it wasn't quite the dream statement i was thinking of. i don't know why i thought it would be a well-balanced proposal, seeing as its David 'The Cunt' Cameron.

vote me for primo.

It took a bit of Googleing to realise what you were talking about; admitedly I've never seen Star Wars before.

Patriotism is only good when there's a war on, so that people will want to fight for the glory of their country etc. etc. I dislike the whole concept.

So, 1.

I'm still going to judge someone from Somalia or Liberia as a little fucking scary though.

And I'm more than welcome to approach an East Indian Man and assess him as a little fucking smelly, because that's how I roll.

Yeh, just like the Somalians who came over to Clare, Ireland are fucking lazy land seizers right? Interpret that how you will. ;)

I'm cautious about what I'm patriotic towards. I believe that my country has the potential for real progressive change, but it's being influenced so heavily by the religious and the right wing that nobody knows shit about... shit... anymore. I'm descriptive!

Probably a 3/10.

Damn right-wing.

Yes, but surely you wouldn't judge their character, capacity, and potential to do good simply on their country of origin or odor? Right?