then its a beta

I imagine the state of the code for these old games is so bad they would have to make massive changes to rewrite the engine, so anyone who thinks its a case of changing a few sprites will be massively mistaken ;)

E.g sprites use a byte for the width and height, this limits the max w/h to 255 which is too low, which means update format, update code, rebuild all resources and editors etc.

Those screens are 640*480, though. The sprites just seem to have a lot more colour.

So is there any chance that we will see the source code to the game? Are the developers willing to release it?

Considering the fact it's still selling, no.

http://ifotos.pl/img/xqjsep_spsase.jpg
blue muds and HD

oh and the fee co beta areas i saw

Huh? That dosen't look HD to me, the xtractor muds look extremely close to the final colour versions too?

Wow, you can see Abes back and leg muscles in that pic ha ha.

hm this is from a beta version as i can see http://plataforma.meristation.com/EP...SSAE0025pe.jpg

http://www.siggraph.org/publications...ges/rouse6.jpg and this,i heard about this but i cant find it anywhere to download

Woah, this is a nice catch - Is this a sort of Elum Spawner thing? :)

Edit:
Sorry, Nate, I thought it was one of the less obvious things :P

I saw that elum thing in some guys video. He said it was an elum trap.

why doesnt it exist in my ao nor other,could you pls give me the link ? :3

Because it was a stupid idea and they decided to replace it with the honey.

Jeez, can't you guys just bloody well search the forums for these answers?

so what did you have to do to free elum?

We don't know, seeing as we have never played any version of the game with this included.

We don't know because that version of the game was never released publically.

I would really like to take a look at the old OWI computer's just to see some unreleased goodies. If these were going to be the game's graphics (I doubt it) and not just one-off promotions, that'd be AWESOME!

Here's something interesting, you just never know what will turn up.

http://forums.hidden-palace.org/view...a21b8a1afc1e6d

The ones from the mine are from the AE demo for sure. Dunno about the others though.. guess they could always be fake too.

"Of which we still have all the originals"

awe my gawd

I would live in a Turkish Prison for 6 months just to get a copy of those Graphics.

http://i51.tinypic.com/scanht.png

http://i52.tinypic.com/2i8eujb.png

http://i55.tinypic.com/o5xfdt.png

http://i55.tinypic.com/noh7ck.png

http://i54.tinypic.com/6h5i6h.png

I want high res sligs :fuzsad: but on the bright side at least it confirms the existence of those graphics :fuzgrin: and no doubt the rest of the games assets.

See? Told you they wouldn't lose it, neither the graphics nor the source.
Beta screenshots look very very good. They're too good to be fakes. The only thing that looks slightly suspicious is the Feeco screenshot. Is Abe supposed to continue by walking behind this pillar? (That replaced the lever and slam door)

At least this supports our Idea of an HD remake.

the last image seems to be missing the plants fg,as abe is actually sitting on it lol

Is 640x480 considered HD?..

It's SD, vs 640*240 which is LD I believe. (It isn't standard so you can't tell for sure) Color depth is also a HUGE improvement.
They can also rerender in higher resolutions.

I thought they didn't still have the original 3d scenes. The fb message says they have the original rendered images at 640*320, which is a good thing :). But, I'm sure ppl have said that they no longer have the original 3d scenery, which they would need to re-render everything. Sadly, 640*320 isn't high enough these days to re-release the game with high success at drawing in new players.. imo..

640x480 you mean. Are you sure they lost it? I doubt they would lose it if they didn't lose the HQ images.

no, i'm not sure... I thought that's what I've heard though ;/.. thanks for the correction.. a few posts ago, you need to correct your resolution too :P forgot to tell you. (unless I'm wrong, but that aspect ratio seems a bit too widescreen...)

The current AO/E is 640x240, 8:3 ratio, scaled to 640x480 in runtime, which is 4:3 ratio.
The 240 is probably LD (Low definition) and the 480 one is SD (Standard definition)

really? that's pretty bad quality ;O

Not that bad, but 640x480x24 looks significantly better than 640x240x15 (I'm pretty sure the color quality is 15 bit and not 16 bit, where the last bit is left unused)

I have now created a movie from this picture with sounds and music, like in gameplay:

whoa! elum gets blown away by blue rings lol ,is that the part where on the left should be the bees and up the red rings? edit:are there leftover cams like that one in the lvl file?

I'm not saying that 640x480 is HD (it's SD) but the character animations would be good enough to be put in a 1920x1080 scene with no upscaling.

I think it makes sense to re-render stuff from the original maya source in proper 1080p rather than botch some SD gfx into the game, since it would need a near re-write either way :P

Only problem is that would be even more effort and a massive task to get everything re-rendered :( Assuming they still have *all* of the source data.

NovaMan: It's an elum trap - it just kept the elum where it was until Abe disabled it.

Apparently their file archives are not very well organised. Bear in mind that when they rereleased AO and AE, they needed to ask fans for copies of the foreign language versions and manuals. Also remember that any files they have will be more than a decade out of date; the technology to open them may not be readily available.