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lismati 12-07-2010 11:23 AM

I think it's chlorine.

Wil 12-07-2010 01:51 PM

I think it's Slig farts.

Hulaabeo 12-07-2010 04:25 PM

Colored Nerve Gas? I ain't a chemist so if it has a super scientific name like superhipoflubingleeberglabin or somethin like that, please clarify.

OANST 12-08-2010 05:52 AM

I'm quite confident that it doesn't have a super scientific name.

lismati 12-08-2010 07:30 AM

I've got an idea - the gas is Oddinium, it kills instantly, and Glukkons made it, good idea?

Scraby 12-08-2010 07:42 AM

yeah sounds good

Wil 12-08-2010 08:15 AM

I'll add it to the Oddworld Encyclopædia right away.

Jango 12-08-2010 08:53 AM

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I've got an idea - the gas is Oddinium, it kills instantly, and Glukkons made it, good idea?

But you said earlier that you thought the gas was chlorine...

lismati 12-08-2010 09:42 AM

I changed my mind :D Chlorine can't kill you so fast. (But maybe, it the pressure is VERY high, as Oddworld is very big, chlorine may kill instantly)

Jango 12-08-2010 09:57 AM

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I changed my mind :D Chlorine can't kill you so fast. (But maybe, it the pressure is VERY high, as Oddworld is very big, chlorine may kill instantly)

Chlorine can kill instantly in very high concentrations, as you see in Oddworld. The chlorine concentration on the screen (if the gas is chlorine) is very high, due to the deep, green colour.

But I guess there is a possibility that it could be Oddinium. There's no evidence against the Glukkons developing it, however there is no evidence in any of the Oddworld games that Glukkons do make a gas called Oddinium. Also, the 'ium' in the word suggests that it is some sort of metal alloy, not a gas (e.g: platinum, magnesium, titanium etc).

MA 12-08-2010 10:09 AM

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But you said earlier that you thought the gas was chlorine...

Santa isn't real.

better get used to people lying.

Wil 12-08-2010 10:12 AM

Helium.

lismati 12-08-2010 10:19 AM

I don't know english way to make names of new substances, so sorry about that, and Mercury (metal) can produce poisonous gas. (Polish Wikipedia says so)

Jango 12-08-2010 12:17 PM

Chlorine can kill instantly.

If you want other evidence, Wikipedia says:
'About 1,000 ppm can be fatal after a few deep breaths of the gas.'

Therefore, a few deep breaths of chlorine at a concentration of 0.2% will kill you in seconds.

The chlorine concentrations in Oddworld (if it is chlorine) are probably well over 2% because you can clearly see the green colour. Therefore, it would kill you quickly and easily in one breath, as we see when Abe breaths the gas.

I've breathed in chlorine before (by accident) at a concentration of about 0.003%, and it made me cough nastily and it was rather painful. It has an instant effect. Concentrations 1,000 times that amount (3%) would easily kill you instantly.

Bullet Magnet 12-08-2010 12:19 PM

A fatal dose is not equivalent to instant death, just so you know.

lismati 12-08-2010 12:20 PM

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A fatal dose is not equivalent to instant death, just so you know.

But he said, that you take few deep breaths and you die instantly.

Jango 12-08-2010 12:33 PM

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A fatal dose is not equivalent to instant death, just so you know.

If 1,000ppm (0.1%) is a fatal dose, then double the concentration (0.2%) would kill you much quicker. Ten times that amount would kill you instantly.

erwinraaben55 12-09-2010 11:50 AM

And ten times the ten times amount (20%) would kill you before it has even reached you????

Nubstrike 12-09-2010 12:06 PM

Very interesting discussion (made me sign up!), especially since I have a passion for chemistry myself :p

You have brought up chlorine due to the green colour and quick (yet not instant) lethality, and abundance. That would fit.
However, the Sligs are unaffected by it - provable in both games. It could be argued that their masks work as gas masks.
But... In the end of Oddysey, you can notice (by dropping into the board room the very last second) that Glukkons are completely immune to the gas as well.

Logic-wise, the gas would probably have to be a very species-specific (in fact, Mudokon-specific) poison.

It is possible however that the devs based their fictional toxic gas on chlorine.

Jango 12-09-2010 12:07 PM

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Very interesting discussion (made me sign up!), especially since I have a passion for chemistry myself

You have brought up chlorine due to the green colour and quick (yet not instant) lethality, and abundance. That would fit.
However, the Sligs are unaffected by it - provable in both games. It could be argued that their masks work as gas masks.
But... In the end of Oddysey, you can notice (by dropping into the board room the very last second) that Glukkons are completely immune to the gas as well.

Logic-wise, the gas would probably have to be a very species-specific (in fact, Mudokon-specific) poison.

It is possible however that the devs based their fictional toxic gas on chlorine.

Glad you're interested. :)

Yes, I do see where you are coming from, but Glukkons are much bigger and look physically tougher than mudokons. Perhaps the chlorine is not quite at a high enough concentration to harm them, or the Glukkons simply are resistant to it.

But on your interesting point about it being specific to mudokons, I do think is likely. The game developers might have based it on the fact that stereotypically, toxic gas is green in colour.

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And ten times the ten times amount (20%) would kill you before it has even reached you????

How would it do that? What do you mean by 'reached you'?

erwinraaben55 12-09-2010 12:33 PM

I am just messing with you Jango

0.003%: Cough Cough
0.1%: Fatal dosis
0.2%: Quick fatal dosis
2%: Instant death
20%: 10 times worse than instant death: Dying before you are even in contact with the stuff (say 2 meter away from you) (I know this is not possible, instant death is instant death).

Getting the picture now??

See I was just suggesting what would be more worse than instant death if concentrations go beyond 2%. Course the outcome stays the same: Instant death, so I was just joking.

Nubstrike 12-09-2010 12:34 PM

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Perhaps the chlorine is not quite a high enough concentration to harm them, or the Glukkons simply are resistant to it.

The fact is that chlorine is a very simple substance (it's not even a compound, but an element!), and, as far as I know, would affect many species. The Glukkons would be somewhat affected themselves, even if maybe less severely than Mudokons.

Then again, maybe the thick layer of soot from cigar smoking is what protects their airways and lungs :p

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But on your interesting point about it being specific to mudokons, I do think is likely. The game developers might have based it on the fact that stereotypically, toxic gas is green in colour.

Yeah, probably they thought of a green toxic gas and they realised how funny it would be if the Glukkons died from their own toxic gas so they made it Mudokon-specific...

STM 12-09-2010 12:40 PM

So it's a chemical based substance of gaseous form that poisons only mudokons, we'll let's see, mammals die from arsenic, it is our human poison, and since mudokons appear to have evolved from an avian species, it would lead me to believe that it may be a form of selenium, what poisons birds as arsenic does to humans?

Jango 12-09-2010 12:41 PM

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I am just messing with you Jango

0.003%: Cough Cough
0.1%: Fatal dosis
0.2%: Quick fatal dosis
2%: Instant death
20%: 10 times worse than instant death: Dying before you are even in contact with the stuff (say 2 meter away from you) (I know this is not possible, instant death is instant death).

Getting the picture now??

See I was just suggesting what would be more worse than instant death if concentrations go beyond 2%. Course the outcome stays the same: Instant death, so I was just joking.

Yeah, I see what you mean.

The chlorine probably would kill you (because it is so strong and corrosive) even if you didn't breathe it at a 20% concentration. Your skin would just dissolve and react instantly.

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The fact is that chlorine is a very simple substance (it's not even a compound, but an element!), and, as far as I know, would affect many species. The Glukkons would be somewhat affected themselves, even if maybe less severely than Mudokons.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

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Then again, maybe the thick layer of soot from cigar smoking is what protects their airways and lungs

Possible, but I very much doubt that. :)

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So it's a chemical based substance of gaseous form that poisons only mudokons, we'll let's see, mammals die from arsenic, it is our human poison, and since mudokons appear to have evolved from an avian species, it would lead me to believe that it may be a form of selenium, what poisons birds as arsenic does to humans?

Good point. Perhaps it is some sort of selenium compound? It couldn't be pure selenium, because it is a grey-red solid.

Nubstrike 12-09-2010 01:04 PM

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Good point. Perhaps it is some sort of selenium compound? It couldn't be pure selenium, because it is a grey-red solid.

Me goes for Hydrogen Selenide

(hazard info below)
http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/HY/hydrogen_selenide.html

OANST 12-09-2010 01:06 PM

My guess is that it's the glow in the dark stuff that Jango and I made with his home chemistry set. That stuff was lethal!

Mac Sirloin 12-09-2010 01:26 PM

VIDEO GAMES

Hey, you know what it might be? A line of coding in a video game that has absolutely no connection to real life, and no elements that could be used to assess a connection. The fact that this thread is three pages long and has a majority of serious posts absolutely baffles me.

Wil 12-09-2010 01:29 PM

Everyone already knows that. But I've done my fair share of over-analysis in the the (now quite distant) past, and there's no real harm. Let the people flex their imaginations. Or whatever it is they're flexing. Nerdinations?

Mac Sirloin 12-09-2010 01:37 PM

I know what I'm flexing.

Nate 12-09-2010 04:35 PM

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Glukkons are much bigger and look physically tougher than mudokons.

Only because of their suits. Their actual bodies are much smaller.

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So it's a chemical based substance of gaseous form that poisons only mudokons, we'll let's see, mammals die from arsenic, it is our human poison, and since mudokons appear to have evolved from an avian species, it would lead me to believe that it may be a form of selenium, what poisons birds as arsenic does to humans?

Erm... how about arsenic?

moxco 12-10-2010 12:28 AM

Here's a thought. Maybe OWI didn't base it off a specific gas; maybe they didn't check every detail of the game with experts of their respective fields. Maybe it was just an invented gas for the purpose of the game?

I thought it rather obvious.

Nate 12-10-2010 03:44 AM

You're really not getting in to the spirit of the OD subforum, Moxco.

lismati 12-10-2010 05:38 AM

It may be something genetically hard-coded to mudokons. Or other way - Glukkons may get something like vaccine to make them... erm... Gas-Proof?

Jango 12-10-2010 06:03 AM

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It may be something genetically hard-coded to mudokons. Or other way - Glukkons may get something like vaccine to make them... erm... Gas-Proof?

Yeah, maybe.

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Me goes for Hydrogen Selenide

But wouldn't that harm the Glukkons?

Oddey 12-10-2010 06:15 AM

Isn't it entirely plausible that Oddworld has it's own set of gasses?

If not, would it be possible that it is in fact not gas, but merely called that, because it seems the most obvious idea? Is it possible that the "gas" is really a virus of some sort that only affects mudokons, while being completely visible?

Jango 12-10-2010 06:29 AM

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Isn't it entirely plausible that Oddworld has it's own set of gasses?

If not, would it be possible that it is in fact not gas, but merely called that, because it seems the most obvious idea? Is it possible that the "gas" is really a virus of some sort that only affects mudokons, while being completely visible?

Yes, that is possible, but a virus wouldn't kill Abe so quickly.

Also, this thread assumes that the gas used to kill Abe exists on Earth. But yes, it could have its own set of gasses.

STM 12-10-2010 07:18 AM

Maybe it's not gas...maybe they remove all the air and then turn on green spotlights, to a mudokon that's just an enormous fuck you.

Jango 12-10-2010 07:20 AM

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Maybe it's not gas...maybe they remove all the air and then turn on green spotlights, to a mudokon that's just an enormous fuck you.

Lol. :) How would they remove the air?

Wil 12-10-2010 07:22 AM

How are the Sligs and Glukkons surviving without air, and how are we seeing the green light if there's no atmosphere to scatter it?

Jango 12-10-2010 07:25 AM

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How are the Sligs and Glukkons surviving without air, and how are we seeing the green light if there's no atmosphere to scatter it?

Yes, that's a good point there. And also, Abe would last much longer than he does in the gas if he only died through lack of oxygen.