BM makes a good point.

And, for the record, I believe that there is no way to make yourself have lucid dreams. It either happens or it doesn't, depending on how close to being awake you are. Some companies have tried selling doodads that shine LEDs in your eyes (i.e. to half-wake you up) when it senses REM, but other than that there's not much you can do.

But I didn't recollect the dream, I experienced it and then woke up.

Exactly this. I thought it was totally rad until I actually tried, then I realized that what makes dreaming at all fun is the total unpredictability of them. It's neat experiencing something that only your subconscious (or whatever) can regurgitate on you.

that sounded like something falling off the table.

How do you know you even had a dream if you can't remember it?

Incidentally, how do know I actually posted that? You can simply not trust your own recollection of posts you've read.

As a five year student of psychology I can guarentee this is an excellent analogy.

yup

Upon reading this post I almost checked under my desk, just in case.

If in doubt, check again.

Surely then, this world only exists in the micro-second that I thinking of as I type, coincidently, the beginning of this sentence would no longer exist. Neither does this. Or this. Your stating that you cannot account on what you've read does not take into account the readers memory, or the ability of the writer to change what has been written, if all other accounts are demolished and the writer edits what he has written into a new form, the previous account no longer exists and surely, the person who remembers the previous post is no longer correct because correctness requires one true by-stander? Yes?

Actually lucid dreams are the basics of shamanism.
The shamans usually take some particulars plants(Datura-Stramonio) to artificially induce lucid dreaming.
Exist the natural way too: this is about using the personal will to induce lucid dreams just before tking a nap (though, in the beginning, this will take at least 2 monts).
Cleared this first stage you can start traveling using dreams.
The most difficult thing about it is learning to not concentrate your attention on something in particular.

THAT'S ALMOST AS COOL AS PSIONICS, GUYS!

Ugh, that post, see, the one above yours Asmoden, took a whopping 6 minutes to type, no one looked not even OANST looked, he didn't even troll. =*(

Anywho, Asmoden, do people still do this? I would love to do that so long as it didn't affect my body negatively.

At basic levels it's not dangerous; but if you become really good at it other than aquiring some interesting benefices you can come in conctact with other inorganic beings and at this point it become crazy dangerous....

Since i love oddworld fans i won't tell you how to do it thought:fuzblink:

Right. You really didn't think I was going to read your attempt to wax philosophical, did you? That would be......absurd.

You've changed.

@Asmo: Go on, tell meeeeee, in a private PM?

Unless you tell me you want to enter a permanent coma...:fuzblink:

Well I wanna no how to hallucinate, if you don't tell me I'll google it, and we all know the sickos on google would be happy to comanise me

You're both fucking stupid.

Google about this is just trash.
Real shamans will never whrite something like this on google... 80% of people are complete idiots after all and they will just end up making fun of our amazing work or misuse it.:p

Yeah, Shamanism is such a cool clique that no real information about it will ever end up on the internet. Ever.

Your work can't be that amazing. It's never affected me whatsoever.

You are the one who didn't notice.

Notice my psiballs. They're in my hand right now.

Might you describe to me what there is to notice?

Let's start with: are you happy?

Don't give me all that shit. Describe to me what there is to notice or fuck off.

Belive me there is a reason why you aren't born with an istructions manual on your hands.
There are things you need to learn yourself otherwise they are meaningless.

But if you insist give me your mail and i will show you i chant chant like abe.

No, no. You've told me that your work is amazing and that it is me who is too stupid/ignorant to notice it. You then proceed to feed me shit about things happening for a reason. All I was asking, basically, was "what does your work involve that makes it important?". I would have no problem with you if you didn't accuse me of ignorance and then refuse to tell me properly why you are doing so.

1 The amazing thread title yust inspired me and, belive me or not i relly hate to see other peole suffering.

2 This has nothing to do with being stupid or not (why did you assume that?)
This isen't a race

3If i tell you what i'm doing i have to tell you why, and that is a problem.

4It's important because... it will make us free

Jeez they're the fucking enclave or something? Asmoden the shamans are like, dead since the celts...do you have the power to start a fire with no fuel or make a car move with your mind, if you have no such power the shaman is a redundant factor in society.

I don't think I'm going to bother.

Are you a glukkon?
Do you want to use your soul to make profit?
I can't start a fire or make a car move... but i can stop a car even thought it will be useless if you want to make an industry:happy:

I'm sorry what? Of course I'm not a bloody glukkon I live in the real world...And of course I want to make profits, profits equal money which in turn leads to nice things and the ability to donate to charity...Your last bit makes no sense either.

Ugh, I'm just tired and I've watched too much fat-pie

Are you an otherkin?

I kind of have to know this.

You have to look inside if you whanna be freee

That's a yes.

Wonderful.

Your weird.

Ok people, don't degenerate this thread into spam too! Not that it has, Im just giving a precaution.

Also Asmoden. People usually have a problem when you use the "I have a secret, but I'm not gonna tell what it is". It's a waste of posts and people's energy to try to decipher that. If you don't wanna start a heated debate leading to nowhere, I suggest you either give whatever info these people want, or stop discussing this for now.
Unless annoying people, and causing a heated discussion was your plan all along.

Anyway, I'd say... If you believe you're a shaman, and it makes you happy... By all means continue doing it. But if you can't provide substantial proof that you actually have any powers, then no one will ever take you seriously.
If you can't even explain the why's and hows.... Then it's no better than religious people using circular logic. So I suggest maybe giving this thread a rest. But it's your choice of course



Oh and... Yea. Further shallow reserach tells me that there are socalled electronical equipment and such that will help people lucid dream. I guess some people are really into it.

Except my brother. He has a spirit dragon.

He's told me many tales about travelling astral plains whilst he's asleep, that's sort of lucid dreaming right?