A beard? Oh well then it must be him.

Yup. It's amazing how a bearded man's face imprinted on a bloody gauze is instantly labelled as Jesus.

It might have been Peter.

No, it was definitely Jesus...

Wow.

The thing is, there is more and more things science is discovering that proves God or any faith is wrong or non-existent. Hell red-shift, blue-shift, black holes, God particles, the big bang theorem, etc. But of course, there is also proof for God, we will probably never know because we never saw the start of the universe and unless 2011, 2012 or 2024 happens then it's unlikely we'll see it's end. Therefore, Jesus' coming and the belief in God is a test of faith. around 40% of people fail immediately, another what, 20%+ of people then fail as Christians eventually although you can be redeemed, I think when no more people believe in God is when Jesus will return tbh. A lot of people here would be wise to look busy ;)

My opinion: There is no God, most Christians have not read the Bible properly and only use the bits that suit them, praise Thor.

There are other religions to flame.

Leave! Leave me alone now XD

I think there's probably some sort of afterlife. But since you can't prove or disporve anything I tend not to worry about it right now. What does that make me?

How about the fact that some people claim to possess Jesus’ foreskin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce

When Jesus healed the sick, did he just heal the ailment, or everything about them? Did those touched by Jesus find their foreskins growing back?

"I have cured your leprosy, but not your myopia."

"You will be lame no longer! Good luck with the bowel cancer."

That's all nonsense. It's called faith for a reason, stop devaluing it by making up evidence that doesn't exist.

Some opinions I have heard on the spiritual significance of circumcision would imply that Jesus' magic touch would cause an uncircimcised person's foreskin to pop off, not the other way round.


Also, I've posted this before but it remains awesome:

This is absolutely true. However, I still stand by my theory that if they really believed that God was in the room with them, they wouldn't have sucked that dick, snorted that coke, or lied about how many hours they worked, etc... in the first place.

There is something to be said for a religion that is as easy to misinterpret as Christianity, though. Christianity is definitely a hardline religion. However, the point that Daxter brought up about being forgiven as long as you repent has irreversibly changed the way that the religion, and the society that it thrives in operates. Imagine how different the world could be if Islam had that one tiny piece of text.

As a non-religious person, I feel I'm not really qualified to comment on this subject. As such I will be absent from this discussion, but I will continue to read it with intrest. Good day.

I think God is proven in all abrahmic religions, Judaism, Islam, Christianity, all similar! SAME GOD! kthxbai

Except for the massive inconsistencies between the jealous God who smote Soddom and Gomorah and the loving God who sent his only son to die for our sins you know?

I wouldn't call anyone who sents his own son to die loving, but that's just me. Besides, I do believe god has more casualties in his name than anyone who has ever lived, except maybe for Hitler.

Interesting debates you have here. I've participated in similar ones before, and my opinion is:
If god is defined as an omnipotent being, then it is logically impossible for him to exist due to the obvious logical fallacies in omnipotence. An argument I've seen quite often is that "god is beyond logic" but without logic you can't even define the concept of "beyond". I think I'll watch this debate for a while because I've seen some interesting shit happen in previous cases.
Bart

Definitely more than Hitler, if you include gods other than the Christian God.

So if I murdered in your name does it change any intrinsic qualities of you?

You misunderstand, I meant deaths actually on god's name. Ones he supposedly (according to and all through the bible) committed himself.

Yeah, but OT God is inconsistent with NT God is my point.

God murders a grand total of zero people in the new testament.

I never understood the whole old testament, new testament thing. Does that mean that the new testament is like The Bible 2.0 or something?

I believe in God but I don't "fear" God, why should I be afraid of God?

I believe in God because it's comforting to me.

As far as religion goes I'd say I'm culturally Catholic but I don't formally pray or attend church, sometimes on the drive home from work I'll pretend to discuss things with God, just because.

Because you'll go to hell if you break any of his rules, like not believing, sinning, whatever.

Yeah true, see that's why religion is not sustainable, you can't hold people in line with fear it never works we're going to outgrow scripture unless we find some "new way to interpret it" or whatever.

There was a 1500-odd year gap in there. Wouldn't your personality change someone in a millenium and a half? :p
If you take in to account that Adam and Eve (and thus their future offspring) were immortal before they ate the forbidden fruit and were punished with mortality, you could say that God has has 100% of the deaths that ever happened on his hands. In any case, you really can't talk about death by God as if it's the same as murder.

Because your religion is really shit at translating. The phrase in Hebrew is closer to 'Feel awe about' than 'Fear'.

I don't know about that. Because he created us he can destroy us, I could understand that. But if you want to question how much god actually loves us I'd say that the number of people he 'killed' is pretty relevant. Or does him being omnipotent give him a free pass on his own commands?

If God is responsible for every death in the world then the number of miracles of life given by God is greater than that by six and a half billion. It's nonsensical to talk of God as a destroyer without factoring in his role of creator.

Idk... My father woke me up at 7am and claimed to have seen a ghost. He asked, "Is that you...?" And the response was a deep, incomprehensible hum... And if I know my dad like I do, he'd never make this shit up.

He believed the entity to be my dead mother. Anyone makes a joke out of this should fucking die. I believed him for once.

I didn't say that. I'm talking about purely the bible right now. OT or NT, I don't care but god killed quite a few people in his day. Flooding the planet, releasing plagues and all that sort of stuff. I want to know why he gives us rules to follow about not killing each other, while he goes around flooding the planet the second stuff doesn't suit him.

Because humans don't have his foresight and ability to absolutely know right from wrong. Also, several laws in the bible are centred around humans not getting too full of themselves and assuming the same rights and responsibilities as God himself.

Here's a joke for you Dix: You posted that in the wrong goddamned thread.

6.5 billion is a tiny number compared to all the people, animals, plants, single-celled organisms and other life forms on earth that he killed. And if he's omnipotent he could've prevented that. So either he's not omnipotent, which pretty much makes him a regular clump of conscious matter, he likes to kill people, which is against the current understanding of christianity and still shows he's not omnipotent since desires are limiting factors, or nonexistent.

Congratulations, that's the exact same arguments trolls on 4chan use.


Thou shalt not murder, not kill. Its often mistranslated into the latter though.

I had an ant farm once. It gave me extraordinary inside into questions about gods. I made a whole load of rules and laws for the ants to follow. They didn't. I mean, they're ants, there's no way that they could follow all my laws. I had hoped that, like other religions, breaking a law that my people could not help but repeatedly break would keep them in the faith by guilting them into seeking forgiveness. But the ants were above that sort of crap, so I visited an Apocalypse upon them. No more ants.

I spent the rest of my formicidan eternity alone, sans-ants. None of them ascended to my plane of existance, none were preserved in eternal torment. Boring, boring, boring. God, but I'm an idiot.

Fuck my life.

Or it shows that he doesn't regard death as a bad thing.

Think about the great works of art that have been inspired by the fear of death. Think of the great works of engineering, public service, philanthropy and every other field of human endeavour that have been created by someone who wanted their name to last longer than they did. Think of the efforts people have put in to raising and supporting children so that they would have an ongoing impact on the world.

Frankly, I agree with God on this one.

It's a hell of a stick, though.

When he flooded the world he did so as punishment because man was becoming self centered, evil and all that stuff. So in that instance death is punishment, which would hardly make it a good thing. And as far as I can recall anything I read of the bible there are very few instances where god kills someone as a reward.