I disagree. Cold is a virus, and something that is well understood. Schizophrenia is not a virus or a communicable disease; in fact, it's something not very well understood at all and under intent study so that it can be understood. Medication dulls the 'resulting effects' of Schizophrenia but as for the explicit cause(es); unknown. All we have at this time are educated guesses and hypotheses, at best.

A far more accurate example would be applying bubblegum to a hot water tank that's leaking because it's corroded. Why has it corroded?... the corrosion being a byproduct of some other 'underlying' condition which is not understood. We didn't always know 'why' rust formed, you know?

We're not going to understand the cause, or know how to prevent the condition without more knowledge.

Oh, sorry I misunderstood.
Well, of course medication is not a final solution. However, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to medicate schizos until we find an end-all to their problem.

Medication is seldom a 'final solution;' just a crutch. With depression in particular, why has is seemed to suddenly skyrocket in the past half century? Aside from apparent genetic disposition to it, there is something that's not being seen or addressed to combat this.... now what is it? Do we investigate or do we medicate and sweep an individual under the rug? In this circumstance, I feel that personal introspection is key in addressing the problem individually, especially when establishment means don't seem to help.

As for medicating schizos until we find the 'end all'; sure. What else is there to do? As humans we've managed as a society to hobble along by the seat of our pants in order to make it this far, and I think it's only sensible to keep trying. I just can't see to 'accepting' present and momentary established 'treatments' as 'cures' especially when our scientific study and knowledge is ever dynamic.

I don't accept them as cures, and you already know this.
As for depression, it is a self-propelled problem and the only cure lies within yourself.

I don't know of any sensible people in the medical profession that accept medication as anything but temporary relief.

Of course I know, but this is here for public discussion, not "you already know" ;)

But it's more fun if the masses think we have some kind of inside joke going on :C

I mean we're both thinking about 'evil' in a different sense, nothing to do with psychology, I leave my psychology in the lectures nowdays.

In the sense that Sadists cannot help but do bad things, just as narcissists cannot help but love themselves, and that someone who does bad things is an evil person, then yeah he's evil. But that's not what I'm talking about when I call something evil.

When I think of an evil person I think of a person who is incapable to do good, an amoralist, someone who knows very well the difference between good and evil acts, and chooses to do evil for the very sake of evil. I do not believe that that is a coherent picture, and one we only see in fiction.

Who's joking? I can actually be serious you know. :)

Do you feel that 'sadists cannot help but do bad things' and 'narcissists cannot help but love themselves,' or do you think that this behavior may have somehow been learned?

HAHAHAHA... Ohh, mercy *wipes eye*

man you're all so tl;dr

what happened to the cesspool of sputum this forum used to be

I know. I miss it too. LOOK AT ME

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FIX'D

much, much better.

don't think, live.

If it can be learned then it can be stopped from being learned. Therefore people are not born evil. If people are born evil and such behaviour cannot be learned or unlearned then they have no freedom, and you can't be evil without choice.

Both sides of the argument lose.
I prefer doing both, thanks. Everything in balance.

My face went into my hands just now.

So then why can't it be both? To say 'people are born evil' is not just a generalization but also absolute (just to clarify, you are not saying this; I'm exemplifying); the way I see it personally any person's behavior can be influenced by past (previous life) experiences; places and times they have been/seen/lived. Born evil? I don't know about that, but I do think that we've all done something at least considered 'evil' at some point in our pasts, no matter what your standpoint is.

EDIT: I just realized that was the uncensored version Sekto. GOOD SHOW

*moderation, and you've been doing far too much thinking boy.

I have no idea how to respond to this with something new, so I want to ask a question.

If a man murders your mother, is it still "evil" to kill him?

what if your mother was a huge evil cunt herself?

I am also opposed to the death penalty, but probably for different reasons than you. I see it as institutionalized vengeance, and while I think that in many cases vengeance is actually warranted, I find it to be a double standard when you would send a man to prison for killing the man who murdered his child, but society would have killed him anyway.

I´m think we have similar reasons. I think it´s wrong because the state shouldn´t have that kind of power, even if the person is absolute scum. It´s contradictory. You said once if something happened to your daughter, you would personally take vengeance. And while I´m inclined to disagree with that, at the same time I can´t help but feel like it´s the more appropriate action, if you felt it was right.

being evil or good is based on the decisions u make in ur life.
EX of a good deed:- having sex with ur wife.

EX of an evil deed:- having sex with a bitch.

and yeah i do believe in that "Karma crap" (chandler's line from friends).

I'd say those deeds are both fairly neutral, actually.

which means u don't believe in that "Karma crap" , oh if it was oddworld it would have been quarma , which everybody would believe in , lol.

oh and i forgot , nobody is born evil , there are choices that make u evil and there are choices that don't , u are born free, and good, but when u r old enough to choose , u choose but there is always a return , even if it's the moment u r dying.

That actually does not mean he doesn't believe in karma, although he most likely doesn't. What he is saying is that neither of those acts are particularly good or evil.

I'm a firm avdvocate of free will. As such, I'm also a believer in the idea of good or evil, yet I find it tricky to define. To me, Evil is something innate- you know when something is evil, even if you cannot define evil itself.

An act itself is usually not evil, the reasons for it are. Take these examples:

1) Murdering a guy because you can/it gives you pleasure. Evil.

2) Murdering a guy because you think he's the devil. Grey area, the motive becomes ignorance, and we then have the question of if ignorance is evil. Ignorance through naievety isn't evil. Ignorance through a refusal to learn more, I'd call that a...mild....evil. So if he thought the guy was the devil and just went "DIE" then yeah. But if he thuoght he was the devil, researched him, still thought he was the devil then killed him, it's less clear cut.

3) Murdering a guy cause he killed a friend/relative who had done him no harm. Not evil.

Humanity is the evil.

AiN strikes to the heart of the matter, as usual.

I never thought that evil existed. The reason "evil" exists is because people have developed morals, and some people are too ignorant, inconsiderate, mental, or too undeveloped to abide by these morals. Something doesn't have to be evil to be awful. It's simply awful.

There is no chance to survive make your time.

BUT WAAAHHHH IF HE'S A SADIST HE CAN'T HELP WHAT GIVES HIM PLEASURE

All your base are belong to us.

he could go to a psycologist/psychiatrist and get some treatment instead , so he actually has a choice , and those who are already really really insane about it (killing) , will be forgiven.

Well I've always thought that the only evil that can exist is the evil that other people construe as evil, for example;

Hitler (evil Cliché, I think so), people will think that he is evil because he slaughtered millions of Jews but if we took a trip inside his mind we would find out that he probaly thought that he was cleansing the world for the greater good.

So really Evil is something that is just left to the perceptions of people, personally I think that giving a jobless, homeless guy money is evil (not joking by the way >:( ).

This seems to be the conclusion for most people partaking in this thread from one degree or another.

True dat.

I think you're only saying that to be slightly controversial, or to try and sound clever.

Let's put it this way, if you keep giving someone money and food then you are preventing him from getting a job because he is becoming so dependant on hand-outs.

But he doesn't have a job anyway. Chicken-egg situation.

don't really see how that qualifies as 'evil'? evil is quite a strong term.

I'm using the term loosely.
It's not moral anyways.