yeah but i like tea and scones.

I have to admit that what most people think of as 'British culture' is English upper middle class culture.

yeah but i like beer and chips.

I like fish and chips.

There has always been change of course, but i disagree with the extent and regularity to which you think culture is contaminated. True, things change, it's not like i want total and utter conformaty to the past. I can accept new ideas, but there are aspects of culture that have remained the same since time imemmorial. These are the things which should be preserved, they are the things which define us and as you said, our geographical loacation.

Also, i am not fighting to protect the past, i am concerned with the future, with regards to immigration, regardless of race or culture, a community having countless people turn up where they are not needed/necessary and putting untold pressure on the facilities of that community, Without a referendum or any form of addressing the population already in that community is unfair. I find it sickening that our government has long ran out of excuses ( and has been offered many excuses against) mass immigration, and still tries to encourage it at the expense of the community they have been employed to protect and to better. It is short sighted and inconsiderate of the original inhabitants.

EDIT: People posted before me, this is why it sounds out of context.

2EDIT: Chips n' gravy mothafuckaz!

WHAT ARE THESE THINGS? HOW DO YOU DEFINE BRITISHNESS?

Here's a fun game! Why don't we all draw a picture of a stereotype of our respective countries?

Yeah. Like what?

Make a thread about this .

Somebody.

You're in one.

Alright, if my country was like that then I wouldn't want any sandniggers ruining shit.

But it's not, so for want of awesomeness and unnatractive geeks, progress continues.

Come on, Steampunk combined with Prince of Persia would be even more awesome.

Actually that's a setting in my original fiction story I'm writing, bizarrely enough.

God dammit. *rips out first half of notebook, starts researching India instead*

Okay, I'm going to ask the same thing back to you. If you consider yourself indigenous British, how many generations will it take for an immigrant to be considered equally so?

Specifically, what about a second or third generation person of Indian or Pakistani heritage? Would you consider him absolutely British, given that he's grown up in the same primary culture you have, with some familial influences?

I'll say that immigration is good for our culture and economy, but only if it's controlled to a reasonable extend. Labour screwed that up when they basically opened the flood gates to everyone, not regulating who comes into the country for genuine work and those who just want to start shit (a certain islamic Captain Hook comes to mind). It's because no one has been able to properly regulate who comes into the country and how long people on visas (I think that's what they're called) stay for that the BNP have been given a chance to flourish and thrive off working class people's fears and prejudices. Not all those who vote for the BNP are necessarily racist, and just vote for them because the main parties do not properly address people's concerns about immigration. Those people have been misguided by an extremest party that not only wants to kick out illegals, but also anyone that looks remotely ethnic.

Yes.

And on a different note.

This.

All of this stuff really boils down to one issue: Immigration, you just can't make an argument to national or cultural purity without refering to it, which makes about 95% of what the BNP says dumb and superfluous. A one issue party.

They have policies on lots of other issues as well i think.

Which mostly boil down to racial national purity idenity and the need to preserve Britain as it is, which is then taken forward as the immigration issue.

The name of the party says it all, really.

I think he had one good idea which was to stop any more immagrints coming in, we are already the most overpopulated country in Europe!

Seems like this guy isn't quite as unpopular as some of you would like to think.


Look, guys! Britain is the new America!

Just as America was the new Britain first.


The BNP do have other issues but admittedly don't talk about them nearly as much. They are very much "1 main issue, then there's a few other bits and pieces too". Another big problem with them. But WoF, please don't equate national identity to racial purity. That's essentially saying "Anyone who thinks Britain has its own culture is a Nazi".

I'd say it depends. On the purely hereditary view I'd say that either 2nd or 3rd generation to be born here equals British.

However, I'd consider them British if they considered themselves British. For instance, a friend of mine was born in eastern Europe and moved here a few years ago- changed his name to name himself after a historical English hero, speaks English fluently and before any other language, considers himself British now, highly patriotic for Britain (yet he's a member of the Labour party, so patriotism doesn't have to equal right wing). In my books he is 100% British, and . However I've also encountered people who, though born here, consider themselves to still be Pakistani/Indian. As such I don't think I'd consider them indigneous British as they don't consider themselves British at all.

It's a vicious cycle.

I wasn't equating, I was simply replacing their old terms for their new ones.

I still can't belive that in New England, London is in Somerset.

What are you basing that on?

I would assume population per square metre. I don't know if we are the most overpopulated in Europe, and to be honest I would doubt it (I remember hearing Russia has an overpopulation problem). However I would guess that we still have one of the higher population densities.

You know, even in the small town I grew up in I can walk down a street and see countless houses with a 'For Sale' sign that will never be sold, there is also far and away enough jobs for everyone in a stable economy.

The housing situation is Thatcher's problem, she passed that stupid law that said that poor people could buy their own council houses if they'd lived in them long enough. Twenty years ahead and these houses have been sold and are now on the private sector for stupid prices that nobody can afford, not the British poor that need them and certainly not immigrants.

It's not a question of not having enough resources, it's a case of having misdirected resources.