How the hell can incest infringe on other people's rights? Incest happens between two people and the rest of the world doesn't matter. It's just love... Or lust...

Infringe being if any of the participants don't agree to it, rape.

Oh... Well that's a given >_< that's what everyone have said so far.

Rape is bad ^^ Unless its consensual... Which makes it roleplay... why am I saying this= D=

Rape, per definition, is never consensual.

Sigh... <.< But there is something called "Consensual rape".. Look into it if you wanna know more.

Yeah but if you're roleplaying a rape, aren't both parties actually consenting to the role play and thus no forcing of any kind is being done? Hence the word rape does not apply.

Definitions of words slide to suit purpose, the concept 'Consensual Rape' stands no matter how traditionally logically fallacious and frankly bizarre it is.

Most of us, myself included, have an automatic knee-erk reaction of disgust towards incest. For many people, that seems to be enough basis to declare something right or wrong and therefore organise sweeping social and legal consequences. Not an attitude I can understand, I need a little more substance to back my moral stances.

The fact is, I can't fathom any way a sibling relationship can harm anyone. If it is the product or cause of some deeper problem that is affecting their social and mental health, then action should be taken, but for those reasons rather than the incest itself. There is a difference between a loving if incestuous relationship, and abuse. Children should really be avoided, though. Parent-offspring relationships are a different matter. There is far greater scope for abuse, harm and paedophilia, and the risks for any children are also greater.

Basically, under the "right" circumstances, I would willingly tolerate it, though I don't advise it.

That said, we might have different opinions if we consider it in the context of our own future children. That would be a bit of a dilemma, make no mistake.

Speaking strictly in legal age, consenting relationships, I wouldn't see a problem for parent-offspring relations either. Fact is though that those kind of relations happen a LOT less (in fact I can't recall ever hearing about it, now that I think about it) then a sibling relation.

As for my own future children, if they reach the age of 16ish and on some unfortunate day I find out they are messing around with each other, consenting and all, then I won't make a big fuss about it. I'd sit down with them and have a chat, ask some questions (for the love of god, tell me you didn't get your sister pregnant!) and would respect their decisions in the matter unless they start talking about having kids.
A household can get a little tense in a situation like that though. In the back of your head you'll always be asking yourself as a parent if they are upstairs doing their homework or learning for a biology exam.

I read somewhere that, typically, people tend to react more violently toward the concept of incest over the concept of other things like necrophilia and bestiality even though its generally the most consensual. Conceivably this is because we're wired to oppose inbreeding due to the genetic problems not being conducive to furthering our line. Of course, we're not all wired the exact same way.

However, I don't care what people do unless it hurts other people (I mean actually hurt them, not the 'it offends my ethics' bull). I certainly don't think they should have kids but I really have no control over that. Incest is preferable over...so many things. Would that it could be the worst a person could do.

Personally, however, I find the idea very squicky. I have a lot of siblings I'm close with, though, so it might just be that I can't understand how someone could feel like that for a sibling. I'm also a twin and have had some such lewd comments made about that which I've never appreciated. Bah.

Well, I find it to be rather gross, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I also think sushi is pretty gross.

Hehe twins are the fantasy of just about every male on this planet I think. I doubt the fact that you're siblings even matters to most guys, it's just simple math:

1 hot girl < 1 hot girl with duplicate.

And of course, Sushi is just wrong.

Actually it's probably more to do the memetic social stigmata from tribal times when it was far more lucid and profitable for your tribe to marry your children off to other tribes so they pay your tribe dowries. This explains why female monkeys teach their children sex as a form of social interaction but female humans do not.

One of Freud's more accessible theories.

Horse fuckin' and corpse lovin'.




are we going to make a necrophilia thread now


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I loved reading my mother's Freud books when I was in my early adolescence. He was an amusing person.

Aye, very good point. We do seem to get the bulk of our psychological responses via social conditioning over biological conditioning. But it could be a blend. I know animals like hyenas drive the related males out of the pack when they come of a certain age to prevent any inbreeding. Which seems to suggest there's biological 'thought' behind it that humans may also carry.
But, then, we're much more psychological in our behaviours than other animals.

Are you saying that people just assume you play around with your twin? You know some wierd people.

Is it an identical twin and, if not, brother or sister?

Oh, nono, nothing like that (at least not that I've been told). Its more like guys making comments about threesomes and whatnot. I'm pretty sure most of them were (half) joking, but an inordinate amount of guys think they're clever saying it to one of us without realizing its rather inappropriate.
It's not really offensive or anything, its just one of those things you get tired of hearing, like "If I punch your twin does that mean you'll feel it?"

Naw, we're fraternal, sisters. Twins run in my family, actually, and are almost always pairs of fraternal girls (my mother is one too). Although my cousins are fraternal brother-sister twins.

Hmmmm. Very intereshting.

Why would anyone say that to you, was it just a random guy who said that?

Hey, if I have sex with your sister, would you feel it? Hmmmm?

What about if they're conjoined?

Yay Oanst!

Oh, god. That is so hot!

Almost everyone says it once they learn I'm a twin. Some people are just trying to be funny, some others honestly think that's how it works...

Only if its spectacular :D (so, no)

You win this round, but I've got my eye on you. And your sister.

Usually all of the things which are illegal are morally and ethically wrong.

That's because our law system stems from Christian and Judaic teachings.

Oxymoron ho!

Not always. Some laws are there for what I suspect to be the government's own sake, and soley their own sake.

And listen to Wings of Fire. But replace "all" with "a lot".

You might be surprised. Where I live consensual anal sex is a crime.

So interracial marriage/sex is morally and ethically wrong? Because that used to be illegal.

Yeah, but we obviously need to protect the gene pool from mesegination. Right? Am I right?

@Alex: That dosen't explain why you can have a relationship and or marry your cousins.

Where I live it is illegal to have sex in any position other than missionary.
Not really enforced, but still.
Fuck you.

Virginia wasn't it? I believe that state also has a law making it illegal to go outside of your house without a planned destination.

Does Florida still have that law that permits absolutely anyone the right to shoot another person in public if they feel the need to defend themselves?

Looking back on my posts, I sound like a goddamn Republican. DX

The gut reaction to the mention of incest more often than not is negative,because the first thing that comes to mind is not consensual sex between siblings, it`s adult-child sex.
Difficult to think that this anything to do with "consensual" .

The stipulation that it "does no harm" is a bit weak too.I can`t recall ever seeing any press about a well adjusted adult saying that an incestuous relationship was a good thing in their life . However, I have seen way too much crap like this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case.

Don`t know about the rest of the world, but in the U.S. one of the most used
defense tactics in criminal cases is that " so and so was sexually abused by a family member".

Conceptually , in terms of a human`s right to do as they choose, incest could have some basis of support , but in practice it does not show any positive results.

You have to start defining what is healthy, what isn't and why, or you could take that line of reasoning and apply it to anything.

If people automatically equate all incest with child rape, it says more about the current obsession of pædophilia than the actual proportions of incestuous relationships. Neither same-generation nor cross-generation incest comes more to mind than the other, although I only know people who have partaken in the former.

You’re using the most extreme cases to denounce an act generally. These cases are by their nature more notable and likely to be reported. If you went searching for case examples through more objective means, you’d probably come up with counter examples, where people have grown up into perfectly healthy adults. And even if they regret their former actions, that’s come about because of a society that shuns incest, not necessarily because anything intrinsically wrong came from their experience.

I'm not sure where you're from, but if you mention incest where I'm from the automatic assumption is cousin-cousin relationship, which is probably the most benign example of incest. Cousin-cousin relationships are much more common (among known incidences) acts of incest than sibling-sibling and parent-child.

Of course, perhaps the association varies depending on where you're from.

that thing about monkeys is gross.
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