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Wings of Fire 06-14-2009 02:25 PM

Lady Eboshi.

And if we're including TV serieses; Treize Kushrenada.

MA 06-14-2009 02:27 PM

yeah, Ed Gein. thats were they got the idea for Leatherface to wear peoples skin. i watched the film with Bill Bailey introducing it. all bloody true.

EDIT: what film was Lady Eboshi in?

Wings of Fire 06-14-2009 02:30 PM

Princess Mononoke.

ArtemisPanthar 06-14-2009 02:30 PM

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The thing about the Chain Saw Massacre was that you could feel the pain that the actors were going through to make it. It's a disturbing concept too, all the more disturbing in that Gein (the fellow that it was very loosely based on) was almost as bad as Leatherface and his family.

Oh, Gein is quite terrifying but never well represented. Leatherface, Norman Bates, and Buffalo Bill were all inspired by Gein, Bates probably being the closest in concept/personality. I think the primary aspect of Gein used in Texas Chainsaw Massacre is that he decorated his house with things made from human body parts.

OddjobAbe 06-14-2009 02:33 PM

I was reading that even the human bones in that film were real. It was cheaper to import bones of the deceased from India rather than get prosthetic bones. I can't find the source, though.

joshkrz 06-14-2009 02:34 PM

I liked the third CSM. The other two were just funny as hell.

MA 06-14-2009 02:36 PM

i'd have to agree with you there Slog Bait (about the grasshoppers). i think the leader was voiced by Kevin Spacey, unless i'm mistaken.

the part where he kills the other grasshopper with all those seeds as an example of how dangerous ants can be was quite good. i reckon they were inspired by the baseball bat scene in The Untouchables with Robert Deniro.

OddjobAbe 06-14-2009 02:36 PM

The third one I thought was shit. The remakes weren't great, but they were watchable. I hated the second one with a passion. The first was as terrifying as it is funny. Leatherface's eldest brother seemed like a real nutjob. I think in a way, he was crazier than the hitchhiker brother.

ArtemisPanthar 06-14-2009 02:37 PM

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I was reading that even the human bones in that film were real. It was cheaper to import bones of the deceased from India rather than get prosthetic bones. I can't find the source, though.

Damn. I know that Poltergeist used real human bones during that whole sinkhole scene. Interestingly enough, TCM and Poltergeist had the same director

OddjobAbe 06-14-2009 02:40 PM

By the way, I have to mention the Texas Chain Saw Massacre's "dance" sequence at the end. That made the film. Just shows how crazy Leatherface is, which is the main reason he's one of my favorite villains.

Wings of Fire 06-14-2009 02:40 PM

Oh and Eric from Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom of the Opera lite. I am such a huge Eric fanboy.

And now Scar and Frolo from Disney's Lion King and Hunchback also come to mind.

MA 06-14-2009 02:48 PM

that dance at the end was fucking class A. they had to get a professional in to do it if i remember rightly. i may be wrong.

OddjobAbe 06-14-2009 02:52 PM

I'm pretty sure that Hansen did it himself. I'd have to look it up, though. I too may be wrong. HA! Me? Wrong?

MA 06-14-2009 02:57 PM

if he did then fucking credit to him. he has balls.
although he may have lost them if he had done it wrong.

Mac Sirloin 06-14-2009 03:10 PM

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Am I the only one here that didn't care for "Saw"? I didn't mind the first one much, but the rest just felt like "let's go eat pop corn while we watch people get sliced to bits" films to me, despite the not-so-simple plot.

I don't like any of them. They're not horrible but I got so sick of the plot.
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The thing about the Chain Saw Massacre was that you could feel the pain that the actors were going through to make it.

The Dinner/Breakfast scene took roughly 30 hours straight to film, and some of the food went rancid halfway through shooting. Some of the food was actually wax, too, and it melted. Gunnar had to remain in costume for the whole thing.
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Lady Eboshi.

She was a pretty sympathetic villain, though. She just want about it all wrong.

Wings of Fire 06-14-2009 03:23 PM

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She was a pretty sympathetic villain, though. She just want about it all wrong.

She was a three dimensional villain, which is why she tops my list.
Plus in the villager's flashback halfway through I could totally imagine the Imperial March playing with her walking through the flames.
If we were going for complete monsters though I'm not sure. Most of the villainous villains I know of, the ones who put the greatest show on for evil, are so past the moral event horizon that I can't find them 'cool' anymore.

A couple that do stand out, however, are Mr Croup and Mr Vandamar from Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere.

Mac Sirloin 06-14-2009 03:33 PM

I'd have to agree with everyone mentioning Robotnik. I don't read them, but I read that there was an issue of one of the comics that delved pretty deeply into Robotnik still being a brilliant tactician and scientist.

used:) 06-14-2009 03:35 PM

Eggman = fail. He looks like Kamajii for God's sake!

OddjobAbe 06-14-2009 03:59 PM

Who gives a flying shit? He has machines that can blow things up. That is a definite win in my book.

used:) 06-14-2009 04:17 PM

You know who also had flying machines that could blow things up? Hitler. I bet you feel great now, Nazi.

OddjobAbe 06-14-2009 04:21 PM

I wish I had not repped you recently. And I'll tell you why - I'd like to again. It is not often I laugh out loud on an internet forum. Thank you.

used:) 06-14-2009 04:29 PM

:bow:

Nate 06-14-2009 07:37 PM

WoF has reminded me to mention the bad guy from Neil Gaiman's American Gods. I would name him, but I don't want to give away about five twists.

Also, for the cool/stylish factor, Satan from the movie of Constantine. That movie was shite, but he was awesome. Actually, Tilda Swinton was brilliant also, but she always is.

Mac Sirloin 06-14-2009 08:55 PM

Fuck yes movie Satan was awesome too.

Strike Witch 06-14-2009 10:58 PM

I nominate Ali Al Saachez, mercenary and Magnificent Bastard extraordinaire.
http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/r...Al-Saachez.png

Okay, so he was in a hard time in his life, right? So he creates a war between the Kingdom of Azadistan and the annexed, ruined remains of Kurdistan, using poor, impoverished kids there as Child soldiers, encouraging them using their devout faith as God's Warriors. He even has them kill their own parents and suicide bomb places. However, the battle goes south and the Mobile Suits of the Kingdom roll on into their base and wipe out every child soldier, except for one named Soran. Ali is of course, nowhere to be found, having moved on to greener pastures.

Soran grows up and is selected by a special Paramilitary Organization called Celestial Being, the guys who build the Gundams, incredibly high-tech weapons that are years ahead of the world's militaries. Soran becomes a Gundam pilot, his faith in God shattered, and his will determined to end all conflict so nobody else ends up like him.

Ali, meanwhile, has become an ace pilot for the amoral Moralia PMC trust, a Mercenary army. And he and Soran, now under the code-name Setsuna, meet in battle once again. Setsuna is rightly enraged at Ali, and repeatedly singles him out and attempts to take his life. But Ali manages to hold Setsuna's highly-advanced Gundam at bay every time with this:
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...eu-09y812a.jpg
A cheap mass-produced machine. Eventually, the Four Gundams are threatened with destruction, and a shadowly client sends them reinforcements in the form of three other Gundams, piloted by three designer babies who are all amoral and vicious, only showing loyalty to each other as siblings. As things all go south and as Gundam technology is leaked to the masses, these three pilots go into hiding on an island.

Ali, meanwhile, has just killed a news reporter, who is the sister of a main character, after she was investigating Celestial Being. Understandably, this really pisses that guy off and pretty much ruins the remains of his life.

Anyway, through this Ali murders the head of the company that build the second set of Gundams, and through that approaches the three pilots while they're hiding out. He smiles and shoots one right through the chest, hijacks the Gundam, and kills the other guy in his Gundam. Later on he returns to kill off a main character before his machine is destroyed.

He returns four years later to destroy the entire Kingdom of Azadistan from the air, holds off the main characters several times, wipes the floor with everyone, sexually abuses the surviving designer baby sister whose brothers he killed, severely damages the cells of the main character through a radioactive bullet, and then beats the hell out of the brother of the guy he killed in the first season before he is finally shot between the eyes by that character.

In the final battle his opponent yells at Ali,
"Just who the hell are you?!"
Ali laughs and answers
"I'm just me!"

*shudder*

MA 06-15-2009 01:06 AM

fucking hell, he really was a bastard.

i agree with you there Nate, he was a brilliant actor.
"sonny...I've got a whole theme park full of rare delights for you."


BlackVenom 06-15-2009 01:09 AM

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JigSaw, from the film "Saw". How is he so clever?
"Oh yes, there will be blood".

You know what, I think the exact same, I'm actually watching Saw III right now as I saw your post! xD

joshkrz 06-15-2009 04:47 AM

Lol.
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Did anyone like Hannibal, from Silence of the Lambs. I think he has something about him that makes you like him instead of fear him. A bit like jigsaw.

BlackVenom 06-15-2009 07:06 AM

Never seen silence of the lambs before, I might go rent it out at a video store one day. But I just like Jigsaw from the Saw series because of how he plotted everything to fall into place, Even after his own demise things managed to fall together!

Wings of Fire 06-15-2009 07:21 AM

Now if we're talking about Magnificent Bastards.
http://linasblog.files.wordpress.com...s-planned1.gif
Shame about season 2...

ArtemisPanthar 06-15-2009 09:42 AM

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Lol.
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Did anyone like Hannibal, from Silence of the Lambs. I think he has something about him that makes you like him instead of fear him. A bit like jigsaw.

Hannibal is great. Although the real bad guy of Silence of the Lambs was Buffalo Bill (who was pretty damn creepy himself). Buffalo Bill also amuses me because he's the same actor who plays the Captain from Monk...and its hard not to remember that whole dancing sequence in Silence of the Lambs...

Hannibal was kind of a mix between a good guy and a psychopathic killer. I believe his aid was inspired by the "help" Ted Bundy gave in finding the Green River Killer.

joshkrz 06-15-2009 09:51 AM

Ted Bundy...? He was a serial killer right?

And your right about Buffalo Bill, "Put the lotion in the basket" haha lol

The image I posted before reminded me of Hannibal (The second one I think), where that old guy is in the wheel chair. I haven't seen that In a while. Excuse my error.

ArtemisPanthar 06-15-2009 10:02 AM

Yes, Ted Bundy was a rather horrific serial killer who some believed killed upwards of 100 people (although serial killers tend to inflate their body count).

This is Buffalo Bill:
http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/27667.gif

Your image confused me but you cleared that up :D that fellow looked familiar, however, who was he?

joshkrz 06-15-2009 10:08 AM

I can't remember... I'll look.

Ohhh that's right, he's from the Poltergeist, he's that really strange character who like tries to talk to the kid or something like that. He's called Kane.

Here he is again:
http://www.fuenf-filmfreunde.de/wp-c...06/10/kane.jpg

He may be from another film though.

Does anyone remember that police officer from Pet Cemetery? God, he was a nutter, so funny though.

AlexFili 06-15-2009 10:59 AM

The thing about horror movies, it's full of stupid heroes and heroines that are unbelievably naive and inept at just about everything except screaming. I don't want to watch some foolish person run away from this crazy super strong killing machine or whatever, it's one sided and totally lame.

I mean, the Smiley guy from Psycho moves at like 10-20mph or whatever, and it's supposed to be a human in a disguise? It makes no sense.

Sci-Fi Horror is a lot better. Alien and Pitch Black are my favs of that genre. Resident Evil is good too (But I hate the core games).

OANST 06-15-2009 11:25 AM

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Snidely Whiplash, bitches.

OddjobAbe 06-15-2009 11:33 AM

I can't believe that I forgot Dick Dastardly and Muttley.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...dadb95adab.jpg

joshkrz 06-15-2009 11:48 AM

I was just going to say that after reading OANST post! That cartoon was ace.

Laser 06-15-2009 12:08 PM

http://iamajfunk.files.wordpress.com.../bricktop2.jpg
Brick Top

He feeds people to his pigs

How is that not awesome?

OddjobAbe 06-15-2009 12:10 PM

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I was just going to say that after reading OANST post! That cartoon was ace.

"Wake up Muttley, you're dreaming again! You're not Robin Hood and you're not Gunga Din! You're not a brave knight or a King who's been crowned, you're just plain old Muttley, the snickering hound!"

"Rocky and Bullwinkle" was also excellent.