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Rupture Farms 02-22-2008 05:48 AM

Male. Although he...it's obviously genderless.

Bullet Magnet 02-22-2008 06:52 AM

No, Munch is biologically male.

abe is now! 02-22-2008 07:53 AM

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No, Munch is biologically male.

Who told you this, BM? Why are you so sure?

OddYouko 02-22-2008 06:47 PM

Abe's a male Stranger's a male so Munch has to be a male. :)

Bullet Magnet 02-22-2008 07:00 PM

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Who told you this, BM? Why are you so sure?

Latamire is a boy's name.

AbesGenerationX 02-23-2008 12:58 AM

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Latamire is a boy's name.

Latimire. :)

Wil 02-23-2008 04:18 AM

‘Abe’ is also a boy’s name, but Abe is gender neutral.

Bullet Magnet 02-23-2008 07:31 AM

I always figured him to male genetically male as worker bees are female. Just not functionally so. Not enough or too many chromosomes to have developed into a drone, that sort of thing.

MA 02-23-2008 09:33 AM

some species of toad can change their sex from male to female.
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yeah, i got that from Jurrasic Park.

Bullet Magnet 02-23-2008 01:02 PM

Toads, fish, amphibians... In mammals and birds sex is determined by chromosomes, in reptiles by temperature during incubation, and in many insects, especially eusocial species, by being haploid (half the full set of chromosomes) or diploid (twice the full set).

AlienMagi 02-23-2008 02:25 PM

Hrm, we all know munch has no sexual ... things...
He is IT and you can't say anything else!
BUT he is acting more male.

Bullet Magnet 02-23-2008 03:03 PM

Unless Humphrey's surgery was even more invasive, wanton and humiliating than we know it to be already, Munch is as reproductively fertile as any other gabbit.

Laser 02-24-2008 06:04 AM

I personally don't think it matters what gender Munch is, mainly because I think Gabbits can change gender in dire need, otherwise why would Lorne give the eggs to much if he couldn't fertalise them? Or even incubate them like a male seahorse?

Bullet Magnet 02-24-2008 07:27 AM

As I said earlier in the thread, I tackled such issues here. But that was based upon the notion that munch is male, as we know, and the assumption that gabbits either do not change sex or that Munch does not need to. That would change my conclusion into... well, I would not be able to draw one with yet another unknown variable.

But I think we are safe in the assumption that Munch will not change sex. His is a character-driven story, and that would change who he is. Such blurring of gender distinctions is not going to be tackled in Munch's story, although it does have potential for an Oddworld commentary on modern attitudes to sexuality.

Wil 02-24-2008 07:43 AM

That was handled brilliantly enough with Stranger’s controversial operation, anyway.

Bullet Magnet 02-24-2008 08:28 AM

It was? I did not pick up on it being a metaphor for gender reassignment surgery, if that is what you are getting at.

Fuzzle Guy 02-25-2008 09:44 AM

Lol, the serious of the operation is pretty much the same. Stranger would be loosing a HUGE part of who he is and was...

Kyle 02-29-2008 01:11 PM

If anyone hasn't said it yet, the back of the MO case says, "Play as the Gabbit with odditude, Munch, and his side-kick..."

So he was intended to be a male, apparently.

abe is now! 03-01-2008 07:33 AM

He's right. Munch is male. It has been written: "his", so he is a boy :)!!!

AlienMagi 03-01-2008 08:20 AM

I'm pretty sure abe would be called HE if they would write about him this way...

Fuzzle Guy 03-01-2008 12:48 PM

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So he was intended to be a male, apparently.

Spielberg once stated that ET was Asexual, and was neither male or female.
But ET is always called "he".

Who knows what Munch is. Unless there is a direct answer to the question from OWI, then we will never know.

abe is now! 03-01-2008 03:00 PM

And so every characters of Oddworld are asexual... excpet queens (Sam, Maggie, Skyllia). But they are all called "he". So I'd say Munch isn't male and isn't female. He is asexual!

Nate 03-01-2008 11:52 PM

It all depends on whether he has to fertilise the eggs. Given that gabbiar is derived from caviar, it's probably safe to assume that they're unfertilised eggs and that he must fertlise them, in which case he must be a sexual creature. Given that, and given the pronoun, it's likely that he is male.

Other than that; who cares?

abe is now! 03-02-2008 02:36 AM

Male fish give their seminal fluid to eggs. And so eggs are fecundated. I think Gabbits do the same with their eggs, but I think they produce eggs too. So Gabbits could be a sexual creature...

Wil 03-02-2008 03:04 AM

The same things are being said over and over.

abe is now! 03-02-2008 04:36 AM

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The same things are being said over and over.

I know Max... but we need an explanation: what would you say about this?

Wil 03-02-2008 06:18 AM

We don’t really need an explanation. Until Munch’s sex has any relevance to the story, it’s irrelevant. He’s not female. He’s either male or, like Abe, sexless. The best evidence I can think of for either over the other is that Gabbits return to Ma’Spa to spawn, strongly implying that there are males and females in roughly equal numbers, just Grubbs and Clakkerz.

abe is now! 03-02-2008 06:24 AM

Gabbits look like salmons: they run (the Mongo River) and they reach their spawning place (Ma'Spa). It's awesome.

Fuzzle Guy 03-02-2008 11:12 AM

How in the hell do they look like Salmons?

skillyaslig 03-02-2008 09:27 PM

Think AIN means they act like salmon. Maybe Munch is like those Shelfish that can change their gender?

abe is now! 03-03-2008 08:11 AM

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How in the hell do they look like Salmons?

They look like salmons for their reproduction model :|.