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Bullet Magnet 11-17-2007 03:07 PM

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But BM is right, we shouldn't draw too much in from this, as it is probably just insperation, and the strange creature next to abe is probably made quite normal or simple, but it is obviously not a mudokon, giving implications on maybe the way Lorne wants the story to be headed.

Given that this is by Lorne, I think the assumption that it is supposed to be expressing nothing more than the emotion, atmosphere and majesty of Abe's rediscovery of his cultural inheritance is a fair one.

His companion is just that: a companion. I doubt it represents any design of the character's physical form and appearance, that is not what Lorn does (so far as I am aware). The ambiguity may be that the companion, if Abe is even intended to have one in the story, has not yet been developed yet. Depicting him/her as a mudokon may colour concepts later on.

Again, as this is a Lorne concept, I don't think it betrays anything about the story at all beyond the emotion, atmosphere etcetera of a particular point in the plot. Nothing more. Therefore, that Abe even has a companion here should not be awarded any more significance than that.

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Excuse me, but what does look like the character with Abe?

I think you mean references to the "scuba toad"?

This is a scuba toad:

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Metroixer, that chap is a Scuba Toad (as far as we can make out, that’s the official name of the species). They weren’t going to be bounties; they’re natives that worship and help Steef. They were meant to row his boat in Stranger’s Wrath, but
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Scuba Toads had to be removed from the game because their arms were too short to be of any use: the realtime models couldn’t even row, that being their main purpose. They still exist in the Oddworld universe, and I expect we’ll see them properly one day.



Nate 11-17-2007 05:28 PM

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Firstly look at this http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0004.jpg As you can see the big red round shape with a lighter figure drawn in the middle of it, now i will outline said picture with crappy Photoshop Elementls 3.0. But as you can see.....ITS A STEEF! Or atleast thats what i think it is; horns, five fingers, kinda large in the upper torso area.

I think that OWI migh do this due to the fact theres an gloktigi, in this pic, http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0003.jpg beside the gluckon. Also i think 1 of the 2 other creatures Xav mentioned could be just a set of controls(the smaller blockier one to the left)

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right; the wider goal of Munch's story is to travel up the mongo so it's likely that Abe will hear about the Steef race at some stage.

As for the gloktigi, they weren't designed solely for SW. They're distant relatives of Glukkons so it would make sense that Molluck would use them as his personal bodyguards.

Bullet Magnet 11-17-2007 05:54 PM

Gloktigi were included in the MO section of The Art of OWI. that was a pleasant (at first) surprise when I found them in SW.

Xavier 11-18-2007 12:31 AM

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I wouldn't be surprised if you're right; the wider goal of Munch's story is to travel up the mongo so it's likely that Abe will hear about the Steef race at some stage.

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised, as Strangers story was supposed to be helping Munch, it's possible Steefs will meet Abe in some movie


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abe is now! 11-18-2007 02:01 AM

I want to ask to BM where is the wallpaper of the Mongo River on the web I really want that (I know this request isn't on topic, but... please!).

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Gloktigi were included in the MO section of The Art of OWI. that was a pleasant (at first) surprise when I found them in SW.

But what is the Gloktige in SW that is emerging from the water at the ending?

Jordan 11-18-2007 03:25 AM

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But what is the Gloktige in SW that is emerging from the water at the ending?

I think you're referring to Sekto. Sekto is a Gloktopi, and he took over the Elder Steef's body in order to do things a normal Gloktopi couldn't.

abe is now! 11-18-2007 03:44 AM

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I think you're referring to Sekto. Sekto is a Gloktopi, and he took over the Elder Steef's body in order to do things a normal Gloktopi couldn't.

I am not referring to Sekto. I am referring to the Gloktige that emerges from the Mongo River. I don't know if it is Sekto, but I attach it so you can see what I am trying to describe.

Xavier 11-18-2007 04:39 AM

Sekto is an Oktigi guys, and yes it's the one in the picture you attached too, Abe is now!

Zerox 11-18-2007 06:55 AM

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Are you stupid? Did you not pay attention to what Xavier said, and not to mention, what Nate said (which you even quoted)? Open your eyes before shitting all over the topic.

Ahem, I was countering what they had said, and giving my personal point of view and suggestions. And don't you tell me I'm shitting all over the topic, when you yourself aren't exactly doing anyone any favors. So STFU, to be frank.

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As for the gloktigi, they weren't designed solely for SW. They're distant relatives of Glukkons so it would make sense that Molluck would use them as his personal bodyguards.

Venks told me they were a genetically created thing between Glukkons and Oktigi...

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For comparison: with hair, without hair:

I see your point, there. Though surely, I don't think the vast majority of Mudokons lack hair in this way, and even so, Alf still has the little wooden thing or whatever stuck on his head. The figures in the picture have completely bald heads, devoid of anything.
I also mentioned the different head shape, though that might just be me.

abe is now! 11-18-2007 07:52 AM

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Sekto is an Oktigi guys, and yes it's the one in the picture you attached too, Abe is now!

But I saw Sekto in his office in a SW's clip and he doesn't look like that in this pic. In his office he has two arms but in this one that I posted he has some tentacles. Why?

Bullet Magnet 11-18-2007 07:53 AM

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I want to ask to BM where is the wallpaper of the Mongo River on the web I really want that (I know this request isn't on topic, but... please!).?

I'm not sure what you mean. There are many pictures of Mongo on the web. TOGG is always your friend.

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I see your point, there. Though surely, I don't think the vast majority of Mudokons lack hair in this way, and even so, Alf still has the little wooden thing or whatever stuck on his head. The figures in the picture have completely bald heads, devoid of anything.
I also mentioned the different head shape, though that might just be me.

It is known that the scrubs in MO have their feathers/hair shaved off, though it is hard to see this due to the fact that they also wear hats. This may be a recent trend on Oddworld for slaves, localised to the MO areas, or possibly a retcon for all mudokon slaves. It remains to be seen as to whether the slaves in the film will be dressed circa AO, MO or something new entirely.

I think the altered head shapes are simply an artefact of the drawing.

Remember people, these are conceptual. We are attributing to these drawings a degree of accuracy that does not exist. It's like being told that a fossil is two million years old, then counting the years to its age since being thus informed.

abe is now! 11-18-2007 07:56 AM

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I'm not sure what you mean. There are many pictures of Mongo on the web. TOGG is always your friend.

I meant the "wallpaper" included in the Scuba Toad's pic that you posted, that with the image of the Mongo and this phrase: "Wish you were here, at beautiful Mongo River".

Bullet Magnet 11-18-2007 08:46 AM

Oh, the postcard? I haven't seen that anywhere else before. Though there are these similar postcards from Munch's Oddysee: Splinterz, Native Wall, Digestive Issues.

looney-bin 11-18-2007 09:15 AM

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But I saw Sekto in his office in a SW's clip and he doesn't look like that in this pic. In his office he has two arms but in this one that I posted he has some tentacles. Why?

http://www.rfshq.com/upURS/thumb/4162.jpeg
He used his tentacles to latch himself onto the elder steef's head to take control, like a headcrab from Half Life 2.

nicksmith41 11-18-2007 12:32 PM

Off topic for a second...

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I wouldn't be surprised if you're right; the wider goal of Munch's story is to travel up the mongo so it's likely that Abe will hear about the Steef race at some stage.

Really? so Ma Spa (spelling) is around the mongo river? i never knew that and i still haven't figured out where the mongo river is on that map in the Art of Oddworld book. I am not doubting you, but could you tell me where you found this informatiuon i would like to further my knowledge of oddworldian things.

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Yes, I wouldn't be surprised, as Strangers story was supposed to be helping Munch, it's possible Steefs will meet Abe in some movie


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Again, cool i never knew that. Also could you tell me where you found this out i want to know more :D

Bullet Magnet 11-18-2007 01:50 PM

Wait- I thought Stranger was created specifically to be separate from the Oddysee tales?

Wil 11-18-2007 04:48 PM

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Considering the Mudokon in the foreground has the strand of hair from it's head, but the rest don't, that seems to show they're different. They're also a somewhat different colour to the Mud in the foreground. Even if they're only meant to be simple and done quickly, a couple of strands of hair wouldn't take long, surely? It seems unlikely that that level of confusion would be created merely because of a few missing hairs. Their head shape is also quite different as well.

Regardless of 'quick sketches' or not, it seems unlikely that level of difference between the two would be created merely because it was a quick job.

Seems likely enough to me. And as others have noted, Mudokons do not all have ponytail. MO even introduced us to shaven‐headed Scrubs.

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Firstly look at this http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0004.jpg As you can see the big red round shape with a lighter figure drawn in the middle of it, now i will outline said picture with crappy Photoshop Elementls 3.0. But as you can see.....ITS A STEEF! Or atleast thats what i think it is; horns, five fingers, kinda large in the upper torso area.

Interesting deduction. Going by its triangular share and demonic look, I had assumed it was a Glukkon, and that the horns were simply to make it seem more evil. This perception of Glukkons as bad would be new to Abe, who has been made to have great trust and respect for his bosses (although not so new if the whole Mudokon Pops/retirement plan idea still exists.

If it’s a Steef, does this mean Steef have been taken from the SW story and fitted into Abe’s. Are they replacing/being joined with Scrabs and Paramites as sacred animals hunted for food by RuptureFarms? Are they replacing Shrykull as something Abe can transform into? It’s hard to imagine exactly the role they can take in Mudokon society. Unlike Grubbs, Mudokons seem entirely capable of looking after themselves (with the military leadership of Abe), even if they had help from the Guardians in the past.

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Are you stupid? Did you not pay attention to what Xavier said, and not to mention, what Nate said (which you even quoted)? Open your eyes before shitting all over the topic.

Now when did you get so offensive? Shame on you.

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That should be "would have" or "would've". A common mistake, but spread the word.

Shame on me, for I have actually edited this mistake from people’s post in the past, along with that depressing ‘I could care less’ error.[/QUOTE]

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Even though it probably is just a sketch for insperation, I reckon Abe's freind is a Scubatoad

If it is, it’s good to see that their limbs have grown. Maybe they can row now. ;)

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Or it could be some form of natural threat, which would be refreshing, not having all of the baddies industralists, but then again, Ocatgis were dipicted in this way.

Octigi form the richest industrial family there is. Ain’t a lot natural about them.

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Strangers story was supposed to be helping Munch

I don’t think that’s strictly true. Stranger’s actions undoubtedly helped Munch and the Gabbit species by allowing passage upstream from Sekto Springs Dam and removing the water that was flooding Ma’Spa, but we don’t know that any interaction between Stranger and Munch was ever planned, although it makes sense that it was at least considered in some capacity, considering the overlapping territories, time& scales, and stories of both of them.

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But what is the Gloktige in SW that is emerging from the water at the ending?

You should read the F.A.Q. It’s a cracking peruse. I like these paragraphs:
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The Steef that Stranger talks to is not Sekto, it’s the Olden Steef that used to protect the Grubbs. He was hunted and captured by Sekto, and used as a host body, while his horns hang on the wall directly above Sekto’s office.

The octopus creature in the water is the real Sekto, an Oktigi, a parasitic creature that takes control of a host’s body, in this case the Olden Steef. It seems he survived and escaped.

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Venks told me they were a genetically created thing between Glukkons and Oktigi...

This is correct. Gloktigi are hybrids created as ultra‐intelligent, ultra‐vain, elite bodyguards.

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Remember people, these are conceptual. We are attributing to these drawings a degree of accuracy that does not exist. It's like being told that a fossil is two million years old, then counting the years to its age since being thus informed.

QFT (the first time I remember ever doing this).

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I meant the "wallpaper" included in the Scuba Toad's pic that you posted, that with the image of the Mongo and this phrase: "Wish you were here, at beautiful Mongo River".

This does not exist anywhere else. The backround of the postcard is a still from the ‘army test’ CG test made for Stranger’s Wrath, in case anyone with the Movies of Oddworld DVD wants to create it themselves.

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so Ma Spa (spelling) is around the mongo river? i never knew that and i still haven't figured out where the mongo river is on that map in the Art of Oddworld book. I am not doubting you, but could you tell me where you found this informatiuon i would like to further my knowledge of oddworldian things.

Ma’Spa is the very source of the Mongo River. An early idea was that Sekto Spings Dam actually encircled Ma’Spa to get its water, but it was changed to a more regular dam for, I presume, two good reasons:
  • It means the spring water Sekto sells isn’t actually spring water, making him a liar.
  • It means the dam flooded the river valley upstream, making more of a commentary on the disastrous environmental effects of real‐world dams.
The Mongo River has never been explicitly identified on the map of Abe’s and Munch’s adventures. It could be the river from which Munch starts his Oddysee, although there’s no reason I know of that it need be. If it is, we can’t see its source, explaining why it doesn’t correlate with our map of the Mongo River.

nicksmith41 11-19-2007 06:59 AM

Why does everyone say that this http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0004.jpg looks demonic? I see nothing demonic about it

I see a few things in that picture, the steef or w/e it is seems to be either embracing or holding back some great fire, which could either mean he destroyed a large place and now stands victorious, or his is trying to save something from being destroyed. Since the animals are running towards him i think its safe to assume he destroyed something that was harming the land, like Sekto Springs Damn. They run to him because the nature itself wants to thank him. It wishes to join him in his glory. The people gathering around him are just people who were lost, (specific colouring being dark and faded) but now now have found purpose. I don't know wtf the purpose of the hands could be. Something that symbolizes support.

Bullet Magnet 11-19-2007 07:41 AM

It's a cave painting standing in for actual mudokon culture because that sort of detail is the job of the production artists, not Lorne. That is all.

abe is now! 11-19-2007 07:47 AM

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Really? so Ma Spa (spelling) is around the mongo river? i never knew that and i still haven't figured out where the mongo river is on that map in the Art of Oddworld book. I am not doubting you, but could you tell me where you found this informatiuon i would like to further my knowledge of oddworldian things.

MaSpa is the source of the Mongo River, I asked it previously: there is an images attached in this thread. I think it is brilliant!

abe is now! 11-19-2007 07:53 AM

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Why does everyone say that this http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0004.jpg looks demonic? I see nothing demonic about it

I am not an expert of feature concept arts and other thing of OWI, but I think we will see new and spectacular thing in the future games: so I think this pic can't be commented by us now, but we can do it when we will know more things about it.

Jordan 11-19-2007 02:22 PM

Why can't we comment on it yet? I think the reason Max put it up there was so we could share our views about it. So keep the comments coming people. A forum is for discussing things anyway. ;)

skillya_glowi 11-19-2007 07:06 PM

Oh god. I'm not online for a measly five days and something like this has to come up. Those paintings are simply stunning. I stared at them for a full five minutes.
All the speculation on the question of what exactly is in them has already been said, so I'll bypass that part, and I'll just say that these paintings make me all the more eager to see what plans Oddworld have for the film...

Wil 11-20-2007 08:58 AM

It ain’t commenting on the pictures that’s troubling some people, it’s over analysis of them. Some people are trying to read too much into what is meant to be little more than artistic inspiration.

abe is now! 11-20-2007 01:53 PM

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Why can't we comment on it yet? I think the reason Max put it up there was so we could share our views about it. So keep the comments coming people. A forum is for discussing things anyway. ;)

I think you didn't understand me (and I didn't explain me well): everybody can discuss everything, but I think our suppositions will be clarified when we will know more about the images. That's all.

Xavier 11-21-2007 11:05 AM

Yeah, we had that a lot with Stranger too, before it was announced or that we had some descent infos about it everyone was speculating about the story and characters.

Most of that speculation is a bit pointless now...

Wil 11-21-2007 11:21 AM

Some of the ideas were really endearing, though. Some even rather sweet. But mostly I’ll remember the agro.

used:) 05-25-2008 12:42 PM

That's some cool material, Xav. I hadn't realized they released more concept art. The two things I had not seen before were the Labor Union and tribal wall paintings. I'm sorry to go off topic like this, but do you know if that's Nolybab in the labor union piece?

Wil 05-25-2008 12:46 PM

I would guess it’s not. Nolybab will be the Industrial version of Hollywood. That looks like a gritty inner city.

Munch's Master 05-26-2008 04:29 AM

That concept stuff is pretty cool. Some of it almost reminds me of the Real World in The Matrix, while some of it reminds me of Johnny Mnemonic. And I loved both those films so that is fien with me.

But who's the short dumpy guy stood next to Abe? It's not Munch.

That Labour Union is intriguing. Do I spy a Gloktigi atop the sign? And are those figures Glukkons or perhap Khanzumerz?


I know it's nothing to get particularrly excited over, but it's still interesting.

used:) 05-26-2008 03:49 PM

Ahh, thanks for moving these posts. I'm glad to have a little more insight on the meanings of those two paintings.

Crashpunk 05-28-2008 09:13 AM

ok question time 1) what are Gloktigis?
2) Are sligs coming back?
3) is abe init?

Xavier 05-28-2008 09:46 AM

1) http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...=CAMO0079.jpg3
2) probably
3) probably

GlukkonGluk 05-28-2008 10:41 AM

i've already seen them, and i was wondering; is it the movie of AO, because i heard the storyline would be kept the same for that, yet thats not RuptureFarms. Also, what's with the whole city idea? I thought Muds lived on factory floors or in the wild.

Oddsville 05-29-2008 07:16 AM

It will be the same story as AO just expanded alot further and with alot more depth/detail. Some aspects of the story may be diferent but generaly it should be the same. AO was originally written to be a movie but Lorne decided he could get the messege across more if he made it into a game. That could very well be part of Rupture Farms in that pic, after all in the game we only saw just a fraction of the factory. Or it could be a city that we have yet to see in Oddworld.

As for Mudokens they can be found everywhere. The ones in the wild were dwindling untill Abe started freeing all the workers but there are some that live in the Big City and choose city life..