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I would object if anyone came over into my house and started insisting they had a right to camp in my yard and live off me as a dependent. I don't care if their white, black, yellow, brown, or green. They are freeloaders and should piss off and get off my lawn lest I do it for them with Mr Foot.

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I fully intended to explain further but I was at work and kept getting caught up with different things. Anyway, you and Mitsur are opposed to allowing these immigrants entrance into a country for all the wrong reasons. You're all full up of righteous indignation because you aren't illegal. You're a legal citizen of your country and YOU HAVE RIGHTS, GODDAMNIT! How dare these dirty, brown people who don't even speak our language come over here and take up our land and our jobs and our welfare? Right? I'll tell you why they have the right.
1. They're fucking human and deserve if not our help, at least our tolerance in their time of need.
2. Coming in and taking what isn't yours is what America was founded on. None of us speak the native language.
You're so upset because some of them are collecting government checks? Guess what. We budget for that. Our government knows it's inevitable and so they budget for it. But you're more worried about the principal aren't you, you giant turd? You're upset because those checks are tax dollars, earned by hard working people. Well, fuck you, you money grubbing shit eater. No one is taking any of this money with them when they die and if it helps someone raise their family in better circumstances I'm fine with it.

That being said, there are problems that arise with illegal immigration. you just haven't named any of them.

Call me a troll, will you?

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I hate how both Spirrow and Cullen have become jerks. Always taking offence at something.

Shut up, and get some balls, Cullen. The world is not out to get you.

Same to you, Spirrow.

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Shut your hole rexy, they're completely on topic.

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I live in the suburbs of Dallas. Dallas has many, many immigrants, quite a few of whom are illegal. Probably not as many as a San Antonio, but definitely quite a few. I know this firsthand, because over the past 10 years, ethnic demographics have changed drastically. I can't take a 5 minute drive without getting behind a car with a 97.9 fm bumper sticker slapped on the back. Hell, I can't even go wash my car without hearing tejano music blaring from a nearby stall as they vaccum and shampoo the inside of their car.

And yet, I don't really mind. In fact, I actually feel kind of bad.

Most hispanics in my town (of a modest 100,000 ish people) live in 3+ decade old houses around the southern half of town. Most come with little startup capital, and most also send money back to relatives in Mexico. Most of you DO know the emphasis some cultures place on extended family, right? What a horrible crime, working in low end service jobs for a temporary time period in a place where you can actually earn money. And crime/biggotry against illegals is just as bad as the crime by them; lacking citizenship isn't justification to ignore natural rights, or even basic respect.

There's some giant mythos regarding these dirty, shady mexicans that sneak across and create a labor scarcity for us hard working Americans. They disrespect our culture by by bringing theirs, and provide no beneficial positions to our workforce. What a load of bull. If there was a refocus on gangs that recruit and prey on these people, or corporations that pull bullshit to marginally reduce operating costs, it'd certainly help a lot more than crying about immigrants that don't speak "our" language.*

*The language issue is a particular pet peeve of mine. To be honest: it hardly affects most of us. When was the last time you were stuck in a dire situation involving a non-English speaking chap? I have a friend who recently moved from seating people to grilling in the kitchen at a local steakhouse. He's hardly a brainiac, and yet over a matter of 2 months he's been able to develop a rudimentery (but still passable) combination of English and Spanish with those on the staff who aren't fully bilingual. So suck it.

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I live in the suburbs of Dallas. Dallas has many, many immigrants, quite a few of whom are illegal. Probably not as many as a San Antonio, but definitely quite a few. I know this firsthand, because over the past 10 years, ethnic demographics have changed drastically. I can't take a 5 minute drive without getting behind a car with a 97.9 fm bumper sticker slapped on the back. Hell, I can't even go wash my car without hearing tejano music blaring from a nearby stall as they vaccum and shampoo the inside of their car.

And yet, I don't really mind. In fact, I actually feel kind of bad.

Most hispanics in my town (of a modest 100,000 ish people) live in 3+ decade old houses around the southern half of town. Most come with little startup capital, and most also send money back to relatives in Mexico. Most of you DO know the emphasis some cultures place on extended family, right? What a horrible crime, working in low end service jobs for a temporary time period in a place where you can actually earn money. And crime/biggotry against illegals is just as bad as the crime by them; lacking citizenship isn't justification to ignore natural rights, or even basic respect.

There's some giant mythos regarding these dirty, shady mexicans that sneak across and create a labor scarcity for us hard working Americans. They disrespect our culture by by bringing theirs, and provide no beneficial positions to our workforce. What a load of bull. If there was a refocus on gangs that recruit and prey on these people, or corporations that pull bullshit to marginally reduce operating costs, it'd certainly help a lot more than crying about immigrants that don't speak "our" language.*

*The language issue is a particular pet peeve of mine. To be honest: it hardly affects most of us. When was the last time you were stuck in a dire situation involving a non-English speaking chap? I have a friend who recently moved from seating people to grilling in the kitchen at a local steakhouse. He's hardly a brainiac, and yet over a matter of 2 months he's been able to develop a rudimentery (but still passable) combination of English and Spanish with those on the staff who aren't fully bilingual. So suck it.

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Thank you. You speak the truth.


Mitsur, they are protesting their illegal status. They want to become legal citizens but it is extremely difficult. Ask Cat Stevens.

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So are you suggesting making it legal to enter the US by sneaking across the border?

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I'm suggesting we make it less difficult for people to start a new life.

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We, Holland, the Dutchies, build up the foundation America is build on and you better know that.

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And you must be so proud.

But seriously, you could hardly say that any particular country in the original clusterfuck of European settlements were the "definitive foundation of America." The Colonies, founded by England, were the true beginnings of the USA. You should feel fortunate.

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America is a country founded on bloodshed, but so was every other country.
England was founded by the vikings, later the Normans, invading and killing the Saxons. Germany has been founded on the barbarians killing each other, then the Romans, finally turning into the Holy Roman Empire, and killing more people. There is not one civilization without war.

If you don't like them hopping the fence, don't make signing the papers nearly impossible.

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I think his point is that the Netherlands may have been their first but you can't trace any of the cultural or legal roots back there. After all, citizens of the USA speak a form of English and when courts need legal precedent older than a few hundred years, they go to British law.

Oh god, I just brought in 9/11. What have I done?

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This is exactly what I meant.

Besides, I do know my history, thank you very much. As I said before, I'm aware that there was quite the clusterfuck of European settlements before the English took total control. However, the fact that the English Colonies formed the modern United States is indisputable..